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[sunchyme1]

You're casting pearls before swine, Fred.

DAAAAAANTEEEEE!

Whats going on man

you thinking of getting smp too?

 

[shookwun]

if your growing out the hair then fine smp works fine obviously, but we talking about a buzz cut here with vertically a bald scalp

your examples.....

1. this guy does looks good. BUT hes either got his hair grown out a little, or shaved to the bone. not grown out a touch like a buzz cut. and he wasnt working on a completely bald scalp. and the pictures have no timline. i got no idea how long the guy waited to have smp after a hair transplant.

2. all the examples are grown out. or have minor loss at temples

3. this right here is my argument. this is what i see with guys trying this sparse coverage on a bare scalp

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this guy was bald as f*** before his surgery. you can see when he shaves it down how thick the roots are. look above the red lines on both pics on the right. compare them to the donor areas. the roots simply are not as thick.

it doesnt look right, regardless of smp or not. doesnt matter how many grafts you try to squeeze in, it will always have that pluggy look. it has to be a placement issue.

this is what i see with EVERY hair transplant case who tries to buzz/shave it down after full maturity. it looks stupid. this guy can get away with better as hes darker skinned. imagine this on a white guy? looks like a cactus ffs.

im not trying to convince myself. i know this is bad idea

im doing this for the newbies. to make sure they KNOW EXACTLY what the f*** is going on with all these ideas you lot just throw around

you say it like its nothing...'oh yeah just get smp and fue, it will look great'. IT DOESNT. if your heavily balding, it just doesnt. newbies you gotta look at all the details.

to me this is just as bad as that stupid scar he has from his fut. only with this you can actually see these thick looking roots planted across your head. at least you wont be able to see the scar everytime you look in a mirror

IT DOESNT WORK.

Yout comparison doesnt qualify what's to be expected for everyone else it's simply a comparison, of which I could provide you countless countered results.


As a NW7 he was never a good candidate to begin with. Zone d near the crown is an absolute destroyer of grafts, and given his final pattern, he was never a viable candidate to begin with. Most doctors would of turned him away.

A smart approach would of been to devise a plan to completely restore his entire frontal third, and sparsely distribute remaining grafts from there out. He would have to accept that he would have a bald crown, but have adequate/ minor Co erase up front. Even on this approach he isn't a good candidate.

I have seen cases were dr Lindsay, and other doctors use this aproach. Having exerted his donor all over a NW7 was reckless and will leave the patient Bo other choice but to zero guard. Again, this is also an approach and method to give the illusion yy have coverage all over.


Smp, and 0 guard


What you are attempting to explain is nothing new. All though people under nw5 who are stable can agressive transplant all over and give a seemingly natural look even while buzzed. For those on the finer hair calibre scale, additional transplant to go over the surrounding areas previously grafted are often needed. All of this is to be expected going into surgery.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Maybe its one of those case by case things.

This one looks better:

But this one looks a little fake:

 

[Dench57]

lighting
skin tone

also a lot of these SMPs try to give themselves NW0s and it doesn't look right having teenage temple points. guy on top is a little more realistic

 

[sunchyme1]

Yout comparison doesnt qualify what's to be expected for everyone else it's simply a comparison, of which I could provide you countless countered results.


As a NW7 he was never a good candidate to begin with. Zone d near the crown is an absolute destroyer of grafts, and given his final pattern, he was never a viable candidate to begin with. Most doctors would of turned him away.

A smart approach would of been to devise a plan to completely restore his entire frontal third, and sparsely distribute remaining grafts from there out. He would have to accept that he would have a bald crown, but have adequate/ minor Co erase up front. Even on this approach he isn't a good candidate.

I have seen cases were dr Lindsay, and other doctors use this aproach. Having exerted his donor all over a NW7 was reckless and will leave the patient Bo other choice but to zero guard. Again, this is also an approach and method to give the illusion yy have coverage all over.


Smp, and 0 guard


What you are attempting to explain is nothing new. All though people under nw5 who are stable can agressive transplant all over and give a seemingly natural look even while buzzed. For those on the finer hair calibre scale, additional transplant to go over the surrounding areas previously grafted are often needed. All of this is to be expected going into surgery.

i must be speaking chinese here

i am talking about the thickness of the hairs that have been transplanted. forgot what norwood he is, doesnt matter. nw7 or nw4. when you are transplanting hairs to a completely bald area, it always looks pluggy when cut short. doesnt matter how many hairs you try and squeeze in, it always takes on a pluggy appearance. the diameter of the hairs are just too thick. look at this guy again...

you can clearly see that this guy got his front third done. the area ive circled. compare this to the the rest of his unbalding head, where the arrows are. look at the difference in the hairs. they are much less thicker. the pigmentation is lighter. and dont say its because of the angle of the picture, thats bullshit.

do you see what im trying to say here???

this guy could have unlimited amount of grafts to use and it would still look pluggy when he cut it short. the thickness of hair cut at that length on a non balding is a lot less.

you talk about guys who have finer hair needing additional surgery. i agree with this. but surely if your are going for the buzz look, YOU NEED FINER HAIR. the finer, the better. it looks more natural. this, combined with some light smp would look great for sure.

but normal donor hair, like the guy above, and most guys in general, ALWAYS take on this pluggy appearance.

you say you have examples to counter my argument, please show me. show me a guy who had a completely bald area pre surgery (regardless of the what norwood is), and has it buzzed AFTER full maturity of a year or two once the hairs have fully grown out.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

i must be speaking chinese here

i am talking about the thickness of the hairs that have been transplanted. forgot what norwood he is, doesnt matter. nw7 or nw4. when you are transplanting hairs to a completely bald area, it always looks pluggy when cut short. doesnt matter how many hairs you try and squeeze in, it always takes on a pluggy appearance. the diameter of the hairs are just too thick. look at this guy again...

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you can clearly see that this guy got his front third done. the area ive circled. compare this to the the rest of his unbalding head, where the arrows are. look at the difference in the hairs. they are much less thicker. the pigmentation is lighter. and dont say its because of the angle of the picture, thats bullshit.

do you see what im trying to say here???

this guy could have unlimited amount of grafts to use and it would still look pluggy when he cut it short. the thickness of hair cut at that length on a non balding is a lot less.

you talk about guys who have finer hair needing additional surgery. i agree with this. but surely if your are going for the buzz look, YOU NEED FINER HAIR. the finer, the better. it looks more natural. this, combined with some light smp would look great for sure.

but normal donor hair, like the guy above, and most guys in general, ALWAYS take on this pluggy appearance.

you say you have examples to counter my argument, please show me. show me a guy who had a completely bald area pre surgery (regardless of the what norwood is), and has it buzzed AFTER full maturity of a year or two once the hairs have fully grown out.

Yes, we hairloss freaks can clearly see that it isn't his native hair, but it doesn't matter as much as you think. Most people can't see it, they just think his hair just looks like that.
And most importantly, it looks good, that's the point isn't it?
With the treatment currently available you will never have your hair back to it's old glory, it's just about maintaining what you have and making the most out of the current treatments, which this man has done succesfully.

 

[sunchyme1]

Yes, we hairloss freaks can clearly see that it isn't his native hair, but it doesn't matter as much as you think. Most people can't see it, they just think his hair just looks like that.
And most importantly, it looks good, that's the point isn't it?
With the treatment currently available you will never have your hair back to it's old glory, it's just about maintaining what you have and making the most out of the current treatments, which this man has done succesfully.

it doesnt look good to me man

you guys keep saying the same thing about youll never have your hair to its old glory etc etc. im not talking about this. all i am talking about here is THE TRANSPLANTED HAIRS and why they look the way they do

why do they look like this? you guys keep saying its a density issues, but its not. it has to be the way the hairs are being transplanted. maybe they arent being placed deep enough. thats what gives it the pluggy appearance. f*** man i dont know. you guys are the experts here.

i dont know how you lot cant see what im saying here

 

[shookwun]

i must be speaking chinese here

i am talking about the thickness of the hairs that have been transplanted. forgot what norwood he is, doesnt matter. nw7 or nw4. when you are transplanting hairs to a completely bald area, it always looks pluggy when cut short. doesnt matter how many hairs you try and squeeze in, it always takes on a pluggy appearance. the diameter of the hairs are just too thick. look at this guy again...

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you can clearly see that this guy got his front third done. the area ive circled. compare this to the the rest of his unbalding head, where the arrows are. look at the difference in the hairs. they are much less thicker. the pigmentation is lighter. and dont say its because of the angle of the picture, thats bullshit.

do you see what im trying to say here???

this guy could have unlimited amount of grafts to use and it would still look pluggy when he cut it short. the thickness of hair cut at that length on a non balding is a lot less.

you talk about guys who have finer hair needing additional surgery. i agree with this. but surely if your are going for the buzz look, YOU NEED FINER HAIR. the finer, the better. it looks more natural. this, combined with some light smp would look great for sure.

but normal donor hair, like the guy above, and most guys in general, ALWAYS take on this pluggy appearance.

you say you have examples to counter my argument, please show me. show me a guy who had a completely bald area pre surgery (regardless of the what norwood is), and has it buzzed AFTER full maturity of a year or two once the hairs have fully grown out.

You are speaking about bullshit that is nothing NEW, before or after a transplant.


People such as myself who been progressively balding for over 10 years have that horse shoe look with fine hair up top that has a spacey look between the follicles. It has nothing to do with his transplant, that's all dependant on your hair loss characteristics. A lot of people who just start balding dont typically have this look because there hair tends to be terminal all over, where as someone who has been gradually balding for many years will have that look up top where the hair is lighter in pigmentation, spacey and doesn't match the donor area. It's all relative, and eventually we will all take on out final patterns.


This is nothing new, and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it except fade, and keep the sides, and back very short while giving the illusion up top.


If you try to buzz the hair with a #1 blade all over the contrast will make you look pretty much bald because of the lack of caliber density, and coverage up top compared to the sides. Surgery is limited to perfection, but given what we have today it's almost perfect, and will lead all of us to a healthy life style.



Transplant can match density up top for coverage on balding men, but it cannot match the density on the sides, and back of a non effected DHT scalp. the hairs are pretty much touching side-by-side.


Go wear a wig

 

[sunchyme1]

You are speaking about bullshit that is nothing NEW, before or after a transplant.


People such as myself who been progressively balding for over 10 years have that horse shoe look with fine hair up top that has a spacey look between the follicles. It has nothing to do with his transplant, that's all dependant on your hair loss characteristics. A lot of people who just start balding dont typically have this look because there hair tends to be terminal all over, where as someone who has been gradually balding for many years will have that look up top where the hair is lighter in pigmentation, spacey and doesn't match the donor area. It's all relative, and eventually we will all take on out final patterns.


This is nothing new, and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it except fade, and keep the sides, and back very short while giving the illusion up top.


If you try to buzz the hair with a #1 blade all over the contrast will make you look pretty much bald because of the lack of caliber density, and coverage up top compared to the sides. Surgery is limited to perfection, but given what we have today it's almost perfect, and will lead all of us to a healthy life style.



Transplant can match density up top for coverage on balding men, but it cannot match the density on the sides, and back of a non effected DHT scalp. the hairs are pretty much touching side-by-side.


Go wear a wig

i honestly dont understand how your not getting what im saying. i cant be arsed to keep going at this anymore

im not talking about density, or final hair loss pattern or any of that bullshit.

im only talking about the f*****g HAIRS THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSPLANTED. thats it. nothing else.

All though people under nw5 who are stable can agressive transplant all over and give a seemingly natural look even while buzzed

please show me some examples of this, id love to see these natural buzz cuts.

 

[shookwun]

i honestly dont understand how your not getting what im saying. i cant be arsed to keep going at this anymore

im not talking about density, or final hair loss pattern or any of that bullshit.

im only talking about the f*****g HAIRS THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSPLANTED. thats it. nothing else.



please show me some examples of this, id love to see these natural buzz cuts.

in short they cannot replicate non effected DHT areas - back, and sides.

in most cases you will have to have the sides, and back always shorter then the top to give a natural result.

with or without a transplant. this is reality for people who are balding, we are constantly shaving the sides, and back down so we dont have a horse shoe appearance.



But there are results out there that have a seemingly natural look. I cant bother looking up anything at the moment as I am about to head for work, but will look for some on my days off.

 

[sunchyme1]

in short they cannot replicate non effected DHT areas - back, and sides.

in most cases you will have to have the sides, and back always shorter then the top to give a natural result.

with or without a transplant. this is reality for people who are balding, we are constantly shaving the sides, and back down so we dont have a horse shoe appearance.

i understand all this and agree with it. i have to fade myself every few days

but again, this isnt what im talking about. i am specifically talking about the hairs you transplant. THATS IT. forget everything else.

the hairs always look pluggy. this is my issue. you must understand what im saying here man ffs. the hairs transplanted looks thicker than full head guy.

jake gyllenhaal.. full head buzz cut. his hairs on top match the sides in terms of thickness.

hair transplanted hairs for some reason always look TOO THICK.

the base of the transplanted hairs are unnaturally thick. thats what gives it a pluggy look. compare to the full head guy whos hairs are much finer at the base.

so why does this happen? why dont those transplanted hairs end up looking the same as the full head guy? has to be because of the way the grafts are inserted, what other reason is there?

But there are results out there that have a seemingly natural look. I cant bother looking up anything at the moment as I am about to head for work, but will look for some on my days off.

alright cheers

 

[Dench57]

welcome to hair transplants

they will never replicate the natural look of real hair on someone that bald

 

[sunchyme1]

welcome to hair transplants

they will never replicate the natural look of real hair on someone that bald

it doesnt matter the level of baldness, they cant replicate the natural look of one single f*****g hair. it ALWAYS grows out so thick and takes on a pluggy look. this is what im trying to say. but why?

why do they grow out so thick? it has to be because of the way the hairs are inserted.

im going f*****g nuts man trying to explain this LOOOOOL

 

[Dench57]

it does matter the level of baldness because on a nw2-4 you can densely pack, grow out and nobody notices the difference

if you're NW5+ and then buzzing for everyone to see the graft placement, taken from hairs on the back of your head and sparsely dropped into a huge area, it's not going to hold up to a natural buzzed look

 

[sunchyme1]

it does matter the level of baldness because on a nw2-4 you can densely pack, grow out and nobody notices the difference

if you're NW5+ and then buzzing for everyone to see the graft placement, taken from hairs on the back of your head and sparsely dropped into a huge area, it's not going to hold up to a natural buzzed look

man i feel like i am the only one who is seeing this. im f*****g losing my mind

when i said the level of baldness not mattering, i meant its irrelevant to the point im trying to make.

im not talking about the level of baldness, im talking only about the hairs being transplanted

whether your nw2 or nw7, the transplanted hairs always look thick and pluggy.

even if you gave a nw7 unlimited number of grafts to use, and could create a similar level of density to a full head, IT WOULD STILL LOOK PLUGGY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE HAIRS GROW OUT. do you see what im trying to say here?

 

[shookwun]

man i feel like i am the only one who is seeing this. im f*****g losing my mind

when i said the level of baldness not mattering, i meant its irrelevant to the point im trying to make.

im not talking about the level of baldness, im talking only about the hairs being transplanted

whether your nw2 or nw7, the transplanted hairs always look thick and pluggy.

even if you gave a nw7 unlimited number of grafts to use, and could create a similar level of density to a full head, IT WOULD STILL LOOK PLUGGY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE HAIRS GROW OUT. do you see what im trying to say here?

Listen man. For someone under a NW3 and doest have agressive hair loss a doctor can transplany and match densities to a certain degree. One transplant not a chance, but a second transplant grafting over can add density and almost achieve a seemingly same comparison .


But you need to understand almost nobody you meet has perfectly terminal hair unluss they are like Jame, dht resistant to the max.

I see what you see. The graft after a transplant take on a crater spacey look where it loos like there's cracks and missing holed all over the scalp. Grown out you won't see a difference, but if your plan is to keep a buzz then you will need a couple transplants max harvesting over the same area.

You're not a god candidate for hair loss given yur state of mind, of perfection is what you seek then get yourself a prosthesis and glue it on your head.

A transpant can and in most cases looks great. Not everyone is a good candidate however, we must take in consideration the state of someone's hair loss, pattern, hair calibre, color and skin contrast when making a decision.


If your plan is to keep your hair buzzed with a vain mind set towards perfection then have fun grafting 6k on a frontal hairline and exerting alll your grafts with a monks crown.


Everyone understands what you're pointing out. Again, we cannot 100% replicate non effected dht resistant hairs in the side and back, but we can get an appreciable result for most

For people wih fine hair such as myself 2000 grafts on the frontal third and mid region is not enough. Its pluggy in my case under the right lighting, and will require an additional 3000 over the front and mid area. In total 4000 for my front, 1000 mid

Fine Hair people are typically never good candidates unforutantely, but they can be worked with.

 

[Bklyn_23]

in short they cannot replicate non effected DHT areas - back, and sides.

Shookwun or anyone: I've heard that the back and sides are never supposed to thin out for anyone suffering from male pattern baldness (be it diffuse thinning or receding or both), because as you say they are DHT resistant. Yet my sides and back - even the hair at the very bottom closest to the back of my neck - has thinned out over the years, very visibly. Does this by itself suggest that I may not have male pattern baldness and might have some other condition like a thyroid issue or some such? Or do some folks with male pattern baldness get diffuse side/back hair too? For the record, I have both recession and diffuse thinning.

 

[shookwun]

Shookwun or anyone: I've heard that the back and sides are never supposed to thin out for anyone suffering from male pattern baldness (be it diffuse thinning or receding or both), because as you say they are DHT resistant. Yet my sides and back - even the hair at the very bottom closest to the back of my neck, has thinned out over the years, very visibly. Does this by itself suggest that I may not have male pattern baldness and might have some other condition like a thyroid issue or some such? Or do some folks with male pattern baldness get diffuse side/back hair too? For the record, I have both recession and diffuse thinning.

Wrong.


The hair is dht resistant to a certain degree, for those on the advanced norwood scale will generally experiencing donor thinning through out the years.


A lot of agressive baldies also tend to have retro grade alopecia around the neck, nape and around the ears which thins over time; and naturaly.

Nobody's donor is 100% resistant, but if you're on medication you are going to maintain these hairs for many years. No medication and agressive hair loss? Will end up with a thinning look in the future as those hairs die out.

Take a look at ost nw7, and you will see a lot of them have thin donors. Especially the ones who experience baldness at a young age. Over the years that donor area gets decimated.



Dht effects your entire head even if you only see a NW2. Your entire head is slowly being eaten by dht until it reaches it's final pattern

 

[Bklyn_23]

Wrong.


The hair is dht resistant to a certain degree, for those on the advanced norwood scale will generally experiencing donor thinning through out the years.


A lot of agressive baldies also tend to have retro grade alopecia around the neck, nape and around the ears which thins over time; and naturaly.

Nobody's donor is 100% resistant, but if you're on medication you are going to maintain these hairs for many years. No medication and agressive hair loss? Will end up with a thinning look in the future as those hairs die out.

Take a look at ost nw7, and you will see a lot of them have thin donors. Especially the ones who experience baldness at a young age. Over the years that donor area gets decimated.



Dht effects your entire head even if you only see a NW2. Your entire head is slowly being eaten by dht until it reaches it's final pattern

Thanks for the thorough reply. Makes sense.

 

[Dench57]

Shookwun or anyone: I've heard that the back and sides are never supposed to thin out for anyone suffering from male pattern baldness (be it diffuse thinning or receding or both), because as you say they are DHT resistant. Yet my sides and back - even the hair at the very bottom closest to the back of my neck - has thinned out over the years, very visibly. Does this by itself suggest that I may not have male pattern baldness and might have some other condition like a thyroid issue or some such? Or do some folks with male pattern baldness get diffuse side/back hair too? For the record, I have both recession and diffuse thinning.

Retrograde alopecia. The hair on the back and sides of your head is DHT-susceptible as well compared to standard Androgenetic Alopecia where side/back hair is immune to DHT. Transplant isn't really an option in RA cases unless you can stop the the donor thinning with meds.