Tocotrienol\Toco-8

[zeroes]

Douglas, he is 100% right. You should really go seek some professional help to help deal with the hair loss. You have started Rogaine if you use it as recommended you should see regrowth for at least a year. You are going to shed from it, there is probably no way around it and might not be a good idea regardless to reduce the shedding.

Natural, he is looking for help and you appear to be one of the guys that has taken natural stuff the longest, you should be a little more helpful. I do agree that he needs to do a bit more research on his own, however if he does research on his own he is giving up more of his youth.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

Thanks. Be careful with Fo ti and get liver tests it has been known to affect the liver negatively.

MSM definitely it cut my shedding in half when taken with my other regimen. Plus it helps with inflammation so to speak so you can't argue with that. Trimedica is more expensive but it's touted as being "pure" with no metals etc.

I tried garlic repeatedly but it did nothing,,alone. Maybe I should try it with my current regimen. Before I tried it alone and it did nothing. The same with saw palmetto tried it alone it did nothing. Tried it again with my current anti androgen regimen and it cut my shedding in half. just in case i was imagining things I went off of it, shedding in creased, went back on it, shedding went down. So the same may happen with garlic. We will see.

 

[The Natural]

Douglas, he is 100% right. You should really go seek some professional help to help deal with the hair loss. You have started Rogaine if you use it as recommended you should see regrowth for at least a year. You are going to shed from it, there is probably no way around it and might not be a good idea regardless to reduce the shedding.

Natural, he is looking for help and you appear to be one of the guys that has taken natural stuff the longest, you should be a little more helpful. I do agree that he needs to do a bit more research on his own, however if he does research on his own he is giving up more of his youth.

zeroes, perhaps you too should spend less time writing, and more time reading, then you'd realize that I (we) 've answered enough of his questions for at least the next six months.

Research = avail oneself of the search engine here. Have him look up subjects of interest. Many of his questions have been answered before. Let the boy read, experiment, and experience some of these things for himself.

It sure doesn't help when posters like you enable his lack of initiative.

 

[The Natural]

Be careful with Fo ti and get liver tests it has been known to affect the liver negatively. MSM definitely it cut my shedding in half when taken with my other regimen. Plus it helps with inflammation so to speak so you can't argue with that. Trimedica is more expensive but it's touted as being "pure" with no metals etc. I tried garlic repeatedly but it did nothing alone. Maybe I should try it with my current regimen. Before I tried it alone and it did nothing. The same with saw palmetto tried it alone it did nothing. Tried it again with my current anti androgen regimen and it cut my shedding in half. just in case i was imagining things I went off of it, shedding in creased, went back on it, shedding went down. So the same may happen with garlic. We will see.

Yes, there are quite a few supplements that I now use in combination that did nothing for me in isolation. Curcumin is one that comes to mind.

I have taken Fo ti off and on for years: excellent for sport-related knee inflammation. I also read that it is good to rotate this herb. I presently use it once a week.

Aged garlic extract is one of my staple supplements. Just reintroduced it into my regimen after a long hiatus. Works very well with curcumin in my experience.

 

[zeroes]

I've done plenty of research myself, I did about a month of research including visiting forums like this before signing up and asking questions.

This isn't about me and I am not too concern about guidance for myself but Douglas is only 16 he needs guidance.

 

[douglasmich]

thanks,\

and zeros the toco 8 formula has changed, you need 2 scoops a day now to get the same tocos they ripped me off, i have 2 tubs that will now only last me 2 months for 88 buks, i might take it everyother day now

 

[Jacob]

I don't know why ppl think they need to use a specific toco product..just because it was used in that "study" or whatever.

The key to regrowth is the 9th toco btw. I've grown 3 new hairs with it so far. Only kidding...

 

[zeroes]

Jacob from what I have read, SupraBio and 8 are the most pure form of Toco.

 

[Jacob]

And you didn't read that from the companies, did you?

While I'm sure they're pure...there are plenty of others out there that pure as well. In fact others say they're also the "purest". An example:

http://americanrivernutrition.com/

Even Doctor's Best and NOW use their Toco's. They're usually reasonably priced brands.

BTW..I think ppl should look into using it topically, since plenty have gone the oral route.

http://trienelle.com/research.html

A unique feature of multiple different Trienelle products is their inclusion of tocotrienols in the formulation. This monograph was written by Dr. Wilkinson regarding other important features of tocotrienol function - beyond the great things they do for the skin.

When applied to the skin’s surface, they are pulled deep into the tissue and absorbed directly into the cells, where they help protect against the changes that lead to skin cancer, wrinkles, age spots, and other factors that make your skin appear older than it is.

The Tocolur liposome combines tocotrienols with melatonin, fennel extract, carotenoids, phytosterols, squalene, and natural enymes that further enhance the antioxidant action of the mix. The liposome delivers these nutrients into the deep layers of the skin where they are slowly released, ensuring a steady level of coverage.

Studies have shown that a liposomal delivery system like the Tocolur Skin Nutrition Complex can render the active ingredients up to ten times more powerful than in normal lotions and creams.

http://www.trienelle.com/daytime.html

The Tocolur Skin Nutrition Complex is a blend of skin-specific antioxidants, including high-potency vitamin E (tocotrienols) and co-enzyme Q-10, catechins, procyanadins and SOD. A liposomal delivery system ensures maximum absorption and uptake by the skin.

 

[Jacob]

http://www.vitrenol.com/vitrenol.php

What distinguishes Vitrenol is its low acid value and chemical-free nature. Our solvent-free manufacturing process also gives the unique assurance of no trace residues of solvent in the ingredient. Palm Vitamin E has also been acknowledged as GRAS (Generally Recognised As Safe) by the United States Food & Drug Administration in 2010.

Another for topical use: http://www.tricutis.com/

 

[zeroes]

Jacob you're right but unlike the other's they contain patent and is what was used in the study.

 

[chip.jackson]

I have used Toco-8 for about 2 months now.

I think it tastes rather disgusting.

And the way they suddenly upped the dosage from 1 to 2
scoops a day now means it runs out faster = more money.

Anyway, I can't say for sure if it has done anything for my hair,
since I am using 2 topicals and other supplements.

But I can tell my libido has improved a bit, and my strength at
the gym has increased as well. My skin has cleared up a bit as well.

I've been reading about the benefits of tocotrienol for a while, so
even if it doesn't help my hair I will continue taking it simply for
the health benefits.

But i still think it tastes like sh!t.

 

[Jacob]

Jacob you're right but unlike the other's they contain patent and is what was used in the study.

But this kind of reminds me of that L'Oreal product that has a patent behind it and I guess a "study": http://www.kerastase-usa.com/_en/_us/conso/densitive/index.aspx?section=3

I guess if the amounts for Taurine etc aren't given(or I guess- for convenience) I can see paying the extra money for the product. As long as the amounts of the toco's are known for the Toco-8 etc..you can just get a comparable product- maybe even better with the amounts of each Toco. Even one with 9 toco's in it unk:

 

[The Natural]

I am going to state this rhetorical question, and could care less about how it is perceived or interpreted: Why is Toco-8 being "promoted" in this and other hair loss forums again.

It's strange (and borderline suspicious). And I don't make a habit of claiming such, but this is clearly an attempt by some person(s) to market a product (namely, Toco-8) as something it is not. Again.

This is not a new product, gentleman. I as well as many others tried it three-four years ago. And there was (still is) nothing substantial to report. It is not the proverbial "game changer" that you all so desperately crave. Your money could be better spent in other places.

That stated, if you are looking for something to boost your energy levels, then by all means. But even in this case, there are other less expensive alternatives (e.g. aged garlic extract, EFAs).

Before spending your hard-earned money, use the search engine, research, read what the regular posters experienced. Don't just rely on information from the product's website. Marketing companies make it their business to convince gullible and uninformed people like yourself.

 

[chip.jackson]

yes i agree, I highly doubt Vitamin E is going to stop hair loss on its own. Maybe it can have some antioxidant benefits but a miracle supplement it is not.

 

[Jacob]

TN ^...It's either that.. or like numerous other things- every once in awhile someone(newbie or someone who just came across it or decided to get on it) gets a bit excited about something that's been brought up in the past... and others, who probably hadn't heard about it or paid much attention to it in the past, also get involved.

I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the stuff, especially if you can afford it(just like with all the other things brought up that have some hair "science" etc behind them). But don't expect much ..and expect to take it for a good year if you really want to see if it does anything. IMO

 

[2020]

first of all: sales from bodybuilders who use it for "extra strength" or whatever outnumber us who use it for hair loss purposes 100 to 1....

if they're marketing it, they're doing it wrong :whistle:

 

[zeroes]

No one is advertising it. If people don't want to use it don't.

The reason i recommend SupraBio and 8 is because that is what they used in the study. 8 and SB contain patent in the mix not found in other Toco products.

Lastly i started this thread after reading about it on TBT. I am not registered there now i wish i had and just posted on there.

 

[Jacob]

But what is the "mix" not found in other products? :dunno:

I wouldn't worry about ppl questioning things here. I'd have left years ago if that were the case

 

[zeroes]

They have patent something, Nfi what it is. Link to the article.

http://www.androfactory.com/category-s/1887.htm

It was used on people with AA, so who knows if this will work on male pattern baldness.