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folfoxorack

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No news ?

I would like to try a 0.5% solution ... I already take 25mg every other day but it's not strong enough ...
 

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@Kevand, what do you think now about bicalutamide? How is/was your experience?

I would like to try a 0.5% solution ... I already take 25mg every other day but it's not strong enough ..

That's very interesting. I've seen your messages on a few threads I've looked at; it seems we're looking at similar things. How are your experiences with anti-androgens? What have you used so far? I'm very interested... Thanks folfoxorack.
 

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@Kevand, what do you think now about bicalutamide? How is/was your experience?



That's very interesting. I've seen your messages on a few threads I've looked at; it seems we're looking at similar things. How are your experiences with anti-androgens? What have you used so far? I'm very interested... Thanks folfoxorack.


I think I have reflex hyperandrogenicity (my androgen receptors are now very very very sensible to DHT/Testosterone, even at low levels), after at least 7 years of high dose dutasteride (2mg every day). Now I took Cyproterone (12.5mg) + Bicalutamide (12.5mg) + 1mg Dutasteride ... and I still have itchy scalp. I could go back to 2mg dutasteride, but with this dosage my libido is totally dead. And I insist, with Cypro + Bica + (1mg) Duta my libido is fine. It's weird !
I think bicalutamide could be harmful to hair, because it increase testosterone and so DHT and bicalutamide à 25-50mg is not strong enough to block DHT effects on follicles. I say that from my experience, but maybe it's because I have reflex-hyperandrog...

What about you ?
 

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7 years of high dose dutasteride (2mg every day)
Respect. For real.

Just for cost alone, most guys won't do more than 0.5mg dutasteride ED. With Avodart, that's around US $30 per month for 0.5 vs. $120 for 2mg, it adds up quick over a long time. But the 2006 Olsen study plus others show that dutasteride is dose dependent, and even with decreasing marginal gains from higher doses, I like the idea of higher doses. (I can't post links because I'm still too new here, sorry, but the 2006 Olsen study you probably know anyway: The importance of dual 5alpha-reductase inhibition in the treatment of male pattern hair loss: results of a randomized placebo-controlled study of dutasteride versus finasteride).

Ever considered cutting the dutasteride dosage slightly and adding in finasteride to reduce costs a bit? You know all the questions about type I vs. type II, but by using both the dutasteride plus the finasteride, you still get type I suppression from the dutasteride, then you have both dutasteride and finasteride working on type II. I've seen some guys on forums try it, something like 0.5 dutasteride + 1.25 finasteride ED. There's a case study which a doctor in Australia published on a patient where he found that adding dutasteride, although at very low dose, helped where finasteride wasn't working (Boyapati, 2013, Combination therapy with finasteride and low-dose dutasteride in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia).

I think I have reflex hyperandrogenicity (my androgen receptors are now very very very sensible to DHT/Testosterone, even at low levels)
I've worried about this a lot for myself. What made you think you have reflex hyperandrogenicity? What effects have you noticed in your body?

And I insist, with Cypro + Bica + (1mg) Duta my libido is fine
Cypro + Bica + 1mg dutasteride = fine.
Cypro + Bica + 2mg dutasteride = libido problems.

Damn, the real world is so much more complicated than what we expect in theory. Donate your body to science lol ;-)

But seriously, how are other hormone-type sides for you with the cypro and bica? Gyno, skin, ejaculation quality/amount, fat distribution, muscles...?

I think bicalutamide could be harmful to hair, because it increase testosterone and so DHT and bicalutamide à 25-50mg is not strong enough to block DHT effects on follicles. I say that from my experience, but maybe it's because I have reflex-hyperandrog...
Bicalutamide being harmful to hair? That's big. Was the timing of when you started different treatments staggered enough that you can you isolate the effect of bica actually being harmful to your hair in your own experience?

What about you?
Me, I'm researching a lot for a high-strength regimen I'm comfortable with. I'm already with the usual dutasteride, finasteride, minoxidil, dermapen, but I'm more willing than most here to add in a combination of a bunch of anti-androgens - spironolactone, cypro, bica, flutamide - maybe with some estrogen form, so I've been doing a lot of research now on them. I was also thinking about topical darolutamide until JLF just told me on another thread that it would be around $500-800/month.
 

folfoxorack

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Respect. For real.

Just for cost alone, most guys won't do more than 0.5mg dutasteride ED. With Avodart, that's around US $30 per month for 0.5 vs. $120 for 2mg, it adds up quick over a long time. But the 2006 Olsen study plus others show that dutasteride is dose dependent, and even with decreasing marginal gains from higher doses, I like the idea of higher doses. (I can't post links because I'm still too new here, sorry, but the 2006 Olsen study you probably know anyway: The importance of dual 5alpha-reductase inhibition in the treatment of male pattern hair loss: results of a randomized placebo-controlled study of dutasteride versus finasteride).

Ever considered cutting the dutasteride dosage slightly and adding in finasteride to reduce costs a bit? You know all the questions about type I vs. type II, but by using both the dutasteride plus the finasteride, you still get type I suppression from the dutasteride, then you have both dutasteride and finasteride working on type II. I've seen some guys on forums try it, something like 0.5 dutasteride + 1.25 finasteride ED. There's a case study which a doctor in Australia published on a patient where he found that adding dutasteride, although at very low dose, helped where finasteride wasn't working (Boyapati, 2013, Combination therapy with finasteride and low-dose dutasteride in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia).


I've worried about this a lot for myself. What made you think you have reflex hyperandrogenicity? What effects have you noticed in your body?


Cypro + Bica + 1mg dutasteride = fine.
Cypro + Bica + 2mg dutasteride = libido problems.

Damn, the real world is so much more complicated than what we expect in theory. Donate your body to science lol ;-)

But seriously, how are other hormone-type sides for you with the cypro and bica? Gyno, skin, ejaculation quality/amount, fat distribution, muscles...?


Bicalutamide being harmful to hair? That's big. Was the timing of when you started different treatments staggered enough that you can you isolate the effect of bica actually being harmful to your hair in your own experience?


Me, I'm researching a lot for a high-strength regimen I'm comfortable with. I'm already with the usual dutasteride, finasteride, minoxidil, dermapen, but I'm more willing than most here to add in a combination of a bunch of anti-androgens - spironolactone, cypro, bica, flutamide - maybe with some estrogen form, so I've been doing a lot of research now on them. I was also thinking about topical darolutamide until JLF just told me on another thread that it would be around $500-800/month.


I never tried Cypro + Bica + 2mg Dutasteride. Just 2mg Dutasteride alone kills my libido.
And Cypro + Bica + 1mg dutasteride = Hight libido.
I tried : Cypro 50mg + Bica 50mg + 0.5mg = very very very high libido.

I know I have reflex hyper... because like 11-10 years ago I started normal dose Dutasteride, and 0.5mg was enough. With time I had to increase it, and itchy starts to appear. I know it because with 1mg my libido is high, and with 0.5mg so high I cant stop thinking about sex ... before starting dutasteride I had normal libido. It's hard to explain, I just know it. I know something is different ...
I gain some body hair by lowering dutasteride.

I've been told bicalutamide protects against all androgen receptors. So I dont know what to think. But even with 50mg I had itchy scalp, and very very bad itchy scalp, the worst I ever had. With Cypro is better, because it lower testosterone and so DHT, but still not enough compared to high dose dutasteride. I think if you want to make your own opinion about bicalutamide, you should experiment by yourself, maybe you will have a very different reaction.
 

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Hello my friends , i have DUPA - female pattern hair loss (losing hair and thinning on side, back and top) and as can't use ru58841 due to side effect, and cb0301 is not powerful enough i want to give topical bicalutamide a shot.

I just received today bicalutamide (binarex) from inhousepharmacyvu, hoping it is legit, i have a hard time finding a lab in france to test it. so i will try to apply from today 10mg/day crushed bica pill in 5ml stemoxydine topically, i have seen that is already efficient at that dosage because of it 7 days half life. So going to try that. If you have any info about how to test the purity of the pill, or what kind of test do i need to ask for in a lab or the key word i should type it in google to find some labs in france (best option)......, would be great !!

thanks for yours feedback.

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Hey everyone just wanted to update you that topical bica is not nearly as effective as I had hoped. The issue is it's low solubility and in general the low permeability of the scalp. I stopped this treatment a while ago but this thread was dead. Now that more users are finding it I thought I'd give you a heads up

this is also why CB isn't as effective as finasteride, not enough of the drug was able to reach the follicles to block the AR because topical absorption is low in general. The best topical treatments today are of the drugs that are extremely potent mg per mg like finasteride, minoxidil, and even dutasteride.
 

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Hello my friend, Do you have any recommendation to increase its topical absorption in that case ?
I am kind of stuck as i was hoping on this one as i can't use minoxidil, ru58841, due to sides. Fina doesn't work on me, if you have any alternative as a topical antiandrogen would be great. Thanks for your help .

Best regards
 

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Hello my friend, Do you have any recommendation to increase its topical absorption in that case ?
I am kind of stuck as i was hoping on this one as i can't use minoxidil, ru58841, due to sides. Fina doesn't work on me, if you have any alternative as a topical antiandrogen would be great. Thanks for your help .

Best regards


I'm going to try applying either 0h-flut or CB-03-01 right after derma needling 0.5-1.5mm depth (will have determine this during experimentation) to try and get enough dose at the follicle to block the ARs. Hopefully 1-2x per week will be enough
 

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ok, thanks you for your feedback, but do you have any recommendation for a good vehicule for bicalutamide as you tried it a little bit in the past, because it seems to not disolve well in stemoxydine.
 

camille leprevost

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and i have been applying crushed bicalutamide pill for 3 weeks now in stemoxydine all over my head as i have dupa, but i did't see any reduction of my shedding whatsoever. i think i have an issue with it's solubility
By the way do you know if oh flutamide is as dangerous as flutamide for the liver ? and do you have any result wit it and what vehicule do you use.
Best regard
 

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ok thanks, do you have any sucess with oh flutamide then ? and can you tell us what qty do you use topically, the vehicule, and maybe the supplier. Thank you very much for your help.
Means a lot
 

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ok thanks, do you have any sucess with oh flutamide then ? and can you tell us what qty do you use topically, the vehicule, and maybe the supplier. Thank you very much for your help.
Means a lot
I'll make a thread about it in the future, I'm going to conduct another experiment. ATM there is not vehicle capable of delivering enough OH_F to the scalp (I theorize this will be ~5mg) to block ARs sufficiently.
 
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