Topical Zinc Thymulin For The Treatments Of Androgenetic Alopecia
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So essentially this could be all that Brotzu promised to be? A finasteride and minoxidil replacement? If so then holy crap I'm down for this
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Not quite. Brotzu’s lotion is designed to improve scalp circulation via vasodilation (widening of blood vessels), and S-equal, a molecule that binds to DHT. This treatment is designed for neogenesis, forming new blood vessels and activating a stem cell response within the hair follicle. Also, in case anyone is interested, some more news from the Doctor himself:
Early indications on the costing from the contract manufacturer are excellent with an estimate of $550-575, much lower than I expected ($800 or so). please advise the forum members ! Hopefully $1.50-$2 per day
answers to questions:
The ZT is soluble in water and penetrates down the hair follicle to the bulge region where the stem cells reside by simple diffusion. The area is not keratinised within the hair follicle organ and thus does not prevent absorption.
The current recommended technique is to spray onto the scalp and gently rub in 3-4 times each day. Evaporation of water occurs in 1-2 minutes. However, 2 clients place a bathing cap on the head, cut a small hole and inject 5-10 ml onto the scalp and leave it there for several hours (or longer) and report fantastic results. They are trying to replicate what happens in the science laboratory (and for that matter the scalp with hair) where the bulge stem cells are exposed to activating peptides such as ZT for 24 hrs/day. A direct comparison would suggest something like a 5X increase in the peptide availability in the hair follicle. Simple and cost effective to do. Another person wants to try a derma roller approach after soaking the spray - probably would be effective as well. Another has asked if i can formulate a local injection approach with the peptide in a slow release form like a sustained release or extended release form- there is definitely merit in that idea as well. The longer you can have the ZT peptide in the hair follicle then the better the results and faster more complete hair growth. I am sure there will be good ideas coming from the forum !
regards Dr Vickers
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@ZenHead Thanks for the info! I wonder if using something like this (http://www.aquagoldfinetouch.com/) would help with the evaporation issue?
Can't find the info on their website:
http://clinicalstemcells.com/hair-regeneration
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what does this do?
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Great info! Do you know if it will be available to ship to the UK?
Sanchez1234
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3-4 times each day..
Could you ask if once a day application could be beneficial?
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Of what does he mean with 3-4 times each day?
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That would be ideal but the study only applied 1-2 times a day. Basically the longer / more it’s on your skin, the better the results.
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Hay @ZenHead are you thinking what I am thinking? Mesotheropy gun, saline solution?
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It's like mesotherapy. Basically, you would put his formula in this bottle (http://www.aquagoldfinetouch.com/), and apply it to your scalp. It has small micro needles to penetrate the skin approx 0.6mm.
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Might have to try this. Definitely going to dermaroll or use this for better penetration
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He ships world wide.
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@ZenHead , couple questions for doctor.
1) Could he elaborate on the efficiency of this drug? You know, some people report worsening of hair situation when using Minoxidil. Has doctor noticed any weird results that attributed to Thumulin?
2) Any side effects? For example, Minoxidil can screw up your skin. Are there any issues related to Thymulin?
And thank you very much for sharing your dialogs with doctor!
1) Could he elaborate on the efficiency of this drug? You know, some people report worsening of hair situation when using Minoxidil. Has doctor noticed any weird results that attributed to Thumulin?
2) Any side effects? For example, Minoxidil can screw up your skin. Are there any issues related to Thymulin?
And thank you very much for sharing your dialogs with doctor!
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A week or two ago he told me it should be ready sometime in July. He’s been true to his word so far so I doubt there would be any significant reason to push it back - after all this is a professional clinic and not Fidia.
I will ask about question 1, but I do not think there would be a worsening of the condition. Read the full study and let me know what you think, if you haven’t already. As for question 2, there are no side effects, as our body already produces thymulin but at very low levels after puberty. The only “side effect” is a strengthening of the immune system, and tissue repair - search “bodybuilding tb500”. It is a peptide almost identical to this one, professional bodybuilders use it for muscular injuries and report miraculous recovery times. They also report reversal of hair loss in many cases I’ve found online, and they aren’t even applying it to their scalp. In fact, hair growth is a side effect of what this peptide is actually used for.
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Could you ask how soon one could expect the product to start maintaining the hair and stopping loss in general if you're responsive to it?