Ultimate Stack To Deal With Finasteride Side Effects

[Athlete1987]

No just twice a week and it’s not something I think that needs to be used all year round or anything. The various compounds in my OP covered various angles of attack as far as addressing the different side effects from finasteride.

So, if i wants to specifically be cautious, yet take a multi-spectrum approach to enhancing libido, then it can be done by cycling say Alchemy, Cabaser and then Selegiline - each one will help address libido to varying degrees not to mention have other benefits besides.

As for sides from Cabaser, I’ve not seen anything to suggest that in otherwise healthy individuals - indeed Cabaser is used medically at far higher doses than 0.5mg twice weekly.

 

[Procar_2017]

So made the mistake of masturbating yesterday after having taken Cialas along with some herbal supplements.. still on Cabasr but I guess the effects haven't kicked in yet (just did 2nd dosage). But now I have no urge, no wood (had wood yesterday morning, etc).. so I assume I won't masturbate until Cabaser starts to work... complete crash.

As an aside, I guess there is nothing that will restore DHT once finasteride has done the damage. In other words, though I though the 5 ar enzyme would be reproduced over time, it sounds like finasteride permanently binds itself to the enzyme to prevent any future production? Is there any hormone therapy that could help correct the dht issue? Some studies talk about increasing testosterone but if the 5 ar enzyme is not working, then it will never be converted to dht. Thoughts?

 

[Athlete1987]

One option would be to simply take DHT itself or else a DHT based prohormone.

All that said, be patient cos the stress of this in itself is going to have a negative impact and the more you dwell on the potential biochemical roots, the more that can happen.

Honestly, I’d give the cabaser 2 weeks and assess things then. It maybe some assistance is needed but you gotta try and be patient first.

 

[Procar_2017]

It's a good point you raise.. this has been so stressful.. angry at myself for being so naive and blindly trusting my Dr, mad at him for so easily prescribing the drug while for my prostatitis he refused to give antibiotics but says a more natural approach is always best. And my wife thinking I'm not interested in her anymore. So I'll wait at least another week.. I'm really hoping Cabaser can make me feel close to normal again.. for my age anyway. I will try to get my DHT level tested soon so that I know for sure.

I do wonder if that enzyme is permanently destroyed..hope not
'[ QUOTE="Athlete1987, post: 1615121, member: 131671"]One option would be to simply take DHT itself or else a DHT based prohormone.

All that said, be patient cos the stress of this in itself is going to have a negative impact and the more you dwell on the potential biochemical roots, the more that can happen.

Honestly, I’d give the cabaser 2 weeks and assess things then. It maybe some assistance is needed but you gotta try and be patient first.[/QUOTE]

 

[Procar_2017]

fyi
https://www.biopsychiatry.com/cabergolinesex.htm

Talks about efficacy of Caber and Bromocriptine.. interestingly stated that it normalized prolactin levels but also number of erections, testosterone levels and DHT.. so far only side effect I've had is constipation.. was odd because normally that's not an issue with me as long as I drink water.. so will have to watch what I eat but in the study, it mentioned results even being found within 1 month so its worth it for me

 

[Endmymisery]

One option would be to simply take DHT itself or else a DHT based prohormone.

All that said, be patient cos the stress of this in itself is going to have a negative impact and the more you dwell on the potential biochemical roots, the more that can happen.

Honestly, I’d give the cabaser 2 weeks and assess things then. It maybe some assistance is needed but you gotta try and be patient first.

What are your thoughts on strength levels in the gym while on finasteride?

 

[Athlete1987]

Finasteride isn’t gonna help strength. It’s mechanism of action directly affects the androgen which is more responsible for strength than any other (DHT).

Interestingly, strength athletes will sometimes use DHT to cut up, enhance relative strength and for its CNS properties which includes greater aggression and drive.

Testosterone trumps it for size gains but for pure strength without any water weight involved, with minimal lbm gains, you won’t beat DHT.

 

[WinstonExPat]

So I'm into my third week of Cabaser now, still going strong and still sticking with 0.5mg twice weekly. Libido/erection strength still consistently higher than pre treatment and generally I'm feeling great and as right as rain. I'd say the effects have plateaued and levelled after week 2, i.e gains seen from start of treatment till week 2 then remained the same since. In terms of sides I just feel more thirsty, not a ridiculous amount, I'm just aware that I'm drinking more water than usual.

Athelte- I didn't decide to go with those Priligy tablets in the end, thanks for the advice. I thought while Cabaser hasn't increased my 'stamina' as such it does let me get back at it pretty quickly. After one cigarette I'm pretty much 'recovered' and good to go!...I remind myself of an energizer bunny with a small-medium sized penis. Happy with things so far

 

[Athlete1987]

By consistently higher, can you define that and have you experienced any changes in orgasmic intensity?

When you say you’ve a small, ahem, winky, have you ever considered a combination of ED meds + PE exercises as this combo can aid you in that respect (not from speaking from personal experience though, but tons of guys have shown results that way).

Winston, are you fat by the way? The reason I ask is that being overweight is linked to elevated aromatase levels>more estrogen>more body fat>poorer sexual performance and stamina.

I think from reading your posts you drink a lot. I can imagine how it might be a downer to be fat with a small dick but dude, both of these things are fixed so stop the excessive alcohol and you’ll see that as you make those changes you’ll also get even more out of cabaser.

Btw you mention you smoke, I’d advise against that. Ignoring the usual health factors, you’d not want to take a dopaminergic while taking cabaser - it can cause nausea for example.

 

[Procar_2017]

Any need to cycle off Cabaser periodically?

 

[kashmoney]

Just wanted to post a one week update on my use of Alchemy. Seems that its working well to suppress the estrogen. First thing I noticed was the bloat slowly disappearing. I've now lashes out quite a bit and basically look very similar to pre-finasteride physique which is great. In terms of strength I think I've started to see some minor gains in the past few days but I think I'll need a while longer to see what happens there. Finally in terms of libido there was definitely a boost. I've definitely been feeling hornier, popping random boners throughout the day etc. My gf also commented on how it seems like I was much hornier than before. Erection strength was also slightly improved though it's still not at the level I would like. Also still a bit difficult to maintain erections if I'm not being physically stimulated. Other than those two things I've been quite satisfied with Alchemy

 

[bluecyclone]

Any thoughts on brand versus generic Cabaser?

Is Alchemy a better starting point? Starting topical Finasteride soon and want a plan if I get any sides.

 

[TylerDurdenn]

Study about cabaser

"In addition, a significant increase of serum testosterone (from 3.7 +/- 0.3 to 5.3 +/- 0.2 microg/l) and dihydrotestosterone (from 0.4 +/- 0.1 to 1.1 +/- 0.1 nmol/l) was recorded"

Thats an increase of dht of 275%

For comparison: 1mg finasteride lowers dht by 70%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9539303/


For estrogen:

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...trogen-that-comes-with-finasterid-use.110543/

Any thoughts on this? Im considering trying cabaser and finasteride, but doesnt this mean that I probably will loose MORE hair if I use Cabaser?

 

[inmyhead]

Any thoughts on this? Im considering trying cabaser and finasteride, but doesnt this mean that I probably will loose MORE hair if I use Cabaser?

Yeah dude nice logic, you use finasteride to reduce DHT and Casaber to increase it. I'm quite sure you will be perfectly fine.

 

[TylerDurdenn]

Yeah dude nice logic, you use finasteride to reduce DHT and Casaber to increase it. I'm quite sure you will be perfectly fine.

Lol no reason to be rude, it was just a question.... Im just curios why OP says to combine these two meds? If one increase it and one decrease it. Or is this about fighting side effects after using finasteride?

 

[Athlete1987]

Procar2017 - It’s not so much a case of whether you need to but whether you should and personally I would cycle off Cabaser and look to use some of the other things I suggested while off. The likes of Alchemy, Selegiline, 9-methyl beta carboline etc - these are all good for fixing different aspects for people and they all have a role to play.

Blue Cyclone - Providing it’s made by a legit pharmaceutical company and not a guy in his kitchen, I can’t see there being any discernible differences between one cabergoline form or another. I see it’s a lot cheaper below so I’d go with the generic myself:

https://www.evopharmacy.com/pd-neurological-disease-cabaser-cabergoline.cfm

Alchemy v Cabaser

That’s hard to answer without knowing what issues need addressing most but it should be easier to determine if you consider what each does as they aren’t addressing the same functions, the former is about controlling estrogen and raising testosterone principally, the latter is more complex to understand as it combines actions that encompass those of a leptin minetic, with profound actions on dopaminergic pathways and of course a specific focus on prolactin. I believe it is the latter two which do most to drive the insane libido increases contrary to most people who believe testosterone is king for libido (I know it raises test but it’s not the driver here).

Tyler Durden - You’re right but there is no reason that finasteride can't control that rise. By itself, without finasteride then I can see how it could cause a negative impact on hairloss but I can’t see that being an issue with finasteride employed.

I know a lot of bodybuilders using steroids who’ve stopped hairloss with finasteride and steroids will increase DHT far higher.

 

[bluecyclone]

Thanks @Athlete1987 I did order the evopharmacy generic. My labs were all over the place without any Finasteride. Decent test, high progesterone and prolactin, very low serum DHT.

I’m a competitive marathoner and Ironman. Worried about a decrease in performance if I try Finasteride or RU with already low serum DHT. On paper hard to understand why I’m losing hair. Did not start until I hit 40 and had some thyroid meds prescribed. I can deny the constant shed and miniaturized hairs diffus all over.

Do you consider Alchemy to be a safer more comprehensive preventive approach that a low dose (.5 mg 2-3x per week) Cabaser after starting RU or Finasteride? On a low dos high grade synthetic T4 and oral minoxidil 1.25?

 

[g.i joey]

Why don't you guys with boner problems just take cialis? I tried 10mg of that stuff a couple months ago and WTFFF sh*t had me hard literally seconds after cumming, the only downside/upside was my 2nd and 3rd round were near impossible to finish, but my guy was 100% alert for all of it... the effects literally lasted a whole week that time I took it.

 

[TylerDurdenn]

Seems a little sad if I have to take this every time Im going to have sex.. I dont have it very often, only when going to clubs. Its also sad to take finasteride, AND something to deal with the side effects tho.. ATHLETE, thanks for reply, Im going to try one of these with finasteride, would u reccomend alchemy or cabaser first? I only had ED when I was on finasteride, got a little hard but not able to have sex etc

 

[Procar_2017]

Thx.. athlete yeah my estrogen is normal but high prolactin/low libido so Cabaser is best for me but will cycle off once I finish my dosage (have two 20 mg bottles and only talking .5mg twice a week so might be awhile); any suggestions for how long to take, cycle off period, before cycling again?

Also, finished 2nd week of Cabasar.. I had stomach issues prior (Irritable Bowel Syndrome - IBS) but never constipation so that's been an issue with stomach cramps.. hopefully will subside. (Making my stomach bigger

It seems to have increased my at least thinking of sex.. hoping by the third week will make me as horny as some reported here though there was a day or two I definitely was feeling it. And to the other op who mentioned coal is, been trying those too (daily Cialis at 5 mg) but dosage not working (Even before Finasteride) so higher dosage from Evopharmacy (what a miracle spot!!) should be here next week. Will let you kn9w how it goes.