cloudsanrain
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Never seen one .
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
Do you mean the Follica research?
IMO that procedure was usually misunderstood on the hair forums. Calling that procedure "dermarolling" is misleading. They used a dermaroller type of tool and destroyed the top layer of skin. The needle length was shallow but the density of the holes was enormous. The skin wouldn't have any un-poked smooth area left after that. It would be less like poking holes, and more like doing an abrasion wound.
Derek Clapton
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I don't remember tbh. It's difficult to find any consensus on depth duration and frequency for it.
It generated a lot of talk on the hair forums because it was real clinical research.
Dermarolling/needling usually falls into two different approaches. You can go shallow (like 0.5mm) and do it more frequently, or go deep (1.5+ mm) and less frequently.
It's pretty damaging to the scalp if you try to combine very deep + frequent.
From what I've seen, I would go with 0.8mm at most. Deeper needles don't seem to be more effective at growing hair.
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The fractional laser Folix, developed by Lumenis, is the latest player to enter the wounding space for hair loss treatment. Based on the minimal side-effect profile, it's wounding depth is almost certainly quite shallow, but I'm not sure what the depth is. I also wonder about the wound density with that laser, but I'm not sure about that, either.
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Here for a slight update.
Nearing about 8 weeks so far.
Have 2 pictures to compare some early results. This is usually where I see the first results of this program. Right at my temple peaks. There could be regrowth elsewhere, but it is hard to tell with the length of hair I have.
My hair IS LONGER mind you, I haven't had a haircut in a few months.
The angles of pictures also aren't perfect so bear with me, also my phone camera is trash, sorry.
The photo in the side by side on the left is recent, the one on the right is from mid October. Same for the second side by side.
Notice the temple peak where the yellow arrow points.
A bunch of new growth. Not long or dark enough to be cosmetically different, but it's progress. Hopefully the same regrowth is happening all over the scalp.
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Definitely new growth. Congrats on the progress.
It should be stated, though, that these types of gains a simply a result of minoxidil going more systemic.
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Is there any relationship between the depth you need to reach the follicles and bleeding?
I bleed at 0.5mm. Does this mean my follicles will be shallower than other people and my 0.5mm is like their 1 or 1.5mm?
In other words: should I cap it at 0.5mm because I bleed at that depth?
I bleed at 0.5mm. Does this mean my follicles will be shallower than other people and my 0.5mm is like their 1 or 1.5mm?
In other words: should I cap it at 0.5mm because I bleed at that depth?
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qerqrqwrqwr
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would a glycolic acid peel achieve the same thing as dermarolling/dermastamping
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It damages the scalp
it causes the skin to repair itself
it releases healing factors like dermarolling does
removes the dead skin, increases circulation to the area
Thoughts on this?
Scalp peeling with 20% glycolic acid: GREAT RESULTS...
After a while without posting in the forum, now I have something interesting to share with you :-) First of all, I'll show what motivated me to do this experime
It damages the scalp
it causes the skin to repair itself
it releases healing factors like dermarolling does
removes the dead skin, increases circulation to the area
Thoughts on this?
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Probably doesn't reach the stem cells?would a glycolic acid peel achieve the same thing as dermarolling/dermastamping
Scalp peeling with 20% glycolic acid: GREAT RESULTS...
After a while without posting in the forum, now I have something interesting to share with you :-) First of all, I'll show what motivated me to do this experime
It damages the scalp
it causes the skin to repair itself
it releases healing factors like dermarolling does
removes the dead skin, increases circulation to the area
Thoughts on this?
qerqrqwrqwr
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maybe
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qerqrqwrqwr
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"At the same time, it’s very possible that for conditions like Androgenetic Alopecia, we may actually need less collagen and more collagen degradation support. Because no matter how much collagen one takes, if the old, damaged collagen isn’t broken down (by a class of enzymes called MMP), remodeling cannot occur."
from 2007! Someone figured it out then
from 2007! Someone figured it out then
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qerqrqwrqwr
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This random post from 2008 explains baldness perfectly and why damaging the collagen probably works
"its downstream of TGF-beta. The dermal sheath in Androgenetic Alopecia is 2 to 2.5 times thicker with crosslinked collagen, making it hard for the follicle to enlarge. Streamers of collagen appear underneath the follicle over time. It looks just like organ rejection microscopially. TGF-beta plays a similar role in other autoimmune disorders.
What is the body reacting to? The first inflammation seen in Androgenetic Alopecia is in the upper infradfulindulum where hyperkeratinization is usually taking place. There are 5AR type one there and androgen receptors there. I see two possibilities: either DKK_1 downstream of the papilla is killing keratinocytes or hyperkeratinization from too much androgen stimulation is killing the keratinocytes and the dead keratinocyte cells still in the hair shaft that have not grown all the way out of the body are eliciting the immunological response. The inflammaition in Androgenetic Alopecia is in the upper one third of the follicle, not down in the papilla where you think it would be. Inflammation, as Harold pointed out, is like a bomb going off in the body. Tissues next to the effected tissue get hurt also. This is my opinion of course, but cannot figure out any other reason why the damge in androgenic alopeica is a "low" process. Classic autoimmune disorders see the effected tissue destroyed pretty damned fast (just a few years at most), not over a decade or two like men slowly balding with too much collagen secreted all around the organ as happens. Docj077 thought TGF beta was the primary culprit in baldness------I wish he still posted, he was bright."
"its downstream of TGF-beta. The dermal sheath in Androgenetic Alopecia is 2 to 2.5 times thicker with crosslinked collagen, making it hard for the follicle to enlarge. Streamers of collagen appear underneath the follicle over time. It looks just like organ rejection microscopially. TGF-beta plays a similar role in other autoimmune disorders.
What is the body reacting to? The first inflammation seen in Androgenetic Alopecia is in the upper infradfulindulum where hyperkeratinization is usually taking place. There are 5AR type one there and androgen receptors there. I see two possibilities: either DKK_1 downstream of the papilla is killing keratinocytes or hyperkeratinization from too much androgen stimulation is killing the keratinocytes and the dead keratinocyte cells still in the hair shaft that have not grown all the way out of the body are eliciting the immunological response. The inflammaition in Androgenetic Alopecia is in the upper one third of the follicle, not down in the papilla where you think it would be. Inflammation, as Harold pointed out, is like a bomb going off in the body. Tissues next to the effected tissue get hurt also. This is my opinion of course, but cannot figure out any other reason why the damge in androgenic alopeica is a "low" process. Classic autoimmune disorders see the effected tissue destroyed pretty damned fast (just a few years at most), not over a decade or two like men slowly balding with too much collagen secreted all around the organ as happens. Docj077 thought TGF beta was the primary culprit in baldness------I wish he still posted, he was bright."
Hello guys, im back again, i didnt use minoxidil 2 years and lost all hair im bald again NW6 aprox.
Now i i startted experiment - i use 2 years expired minoxidil + 5 pills crushed finasteride 5mg, i mix them and add this serum from temu like mixed oils for hair growth. i apply all these 1x time in the morning. LEts see what will happen in next 6 months
I also drink everyday 7mk bovine gelatin + 90mg ironevery 3 days
Now i i startted experiment - i use 2 years expired minoxidil + 5 pills crushed finasteride 5mg, i mix them and add this serum from temu like mixed oils for hair growth. i apply all these 1x time in the morning. LEts see what will happen in next 6 months
I also drink everyday 7mk bovine gelatin + 90mg ironevery 3 days
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