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The thing is, I put barely any pressure with the pen and it hurts like hell, plus bleeding. Just figured at the same depth I would get similar results. I was pressing pretty hard with the roller, too. Strange
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
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A serious lack of consensus in this thread pertains to the question of "how much" VS. "how often". Some people have inferred that you should, as Follica, try to make a maximum number of holes in one session. Most have failed to justify why you should instead needle every day or every other day (which of course is impossible to do if you wound yourself maximally). Looking at the Follica studies, where sessions took place weeks or a month apart, I've seen no other need to moderate my sessions than the concern of minoxidil absorbtion. When you try to achieve a similar wound density as Follica (I1200-1600 cm2), you'll end up with crusting which is potentially a big problem. Does a heavy crust block minoxidil from absorbption? And if so, then comparing at-home microneedling with Follica would be pretentious, since a maximal session obviously creates a lot more bleeding/crusting than a more sophisticated instrument should.
Einstein
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Go with what you are comfortable doing. it's fine. It is the treatment(s) we don't like applying or are uncomfortable with that causes most of to slack off
M.G
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Exactly 3 months of dermaneedling tomorrow (been on finasteride + min for multiple years). I think I've gotten a little regrowth, mainly on the lower left side of the crown and slightly on the right side of the crown. Overall regrowth is not much compared to what I lost, hopefully it can improve in the upcoming months.
First two pics are before, the rest are today.
First two pics are before, the rest are today.
Einstein
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I’m ecstatic like a kid on Christmas morning. I finally received my Derminator 2 today. Will start on Sunday with 1.5mil
Funny thing is it was taking so long I went ahead and ordered the dermapen m8. I might not cancel the order and might just compare the two different brands and styles
Funny thing is it was taking so long I went ahead and ordered the dermapen m8. I might not cancel the order and might just compare the two different brands and styles
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M.G
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I'm using a dermapen once a week and going 1mm deep. I go over the scalp til it's red, never til I bleed.
As it is used for the past 30 years, we can say that is secure. No we know how exactly it works.
And it not loses efficacy. The real problem is, as you said, the hair follicle sense to DHT increases with time.
I suggest to always keep using the drugs. I mean, what is a chance to a guy becomes a NW6 if he uses finasteride + minoxidil during all his life?
I think it is very rare, but will appreciate if anyone knows more details about this scenario.
Einstein
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What’s your point you rambling incoherent midget-raping imbecile. What do you get for your trolling. We’re fighting our genetics, but you can’t fight your extra chromosome. You’re hopeless. We have treatments we share and motivate eachother to use. You’re in the wrong place. You belong on a completely different, special, forum. Now go put your helmet on, stand up, look around, and find your way out.
Any thoughts on the pen comparison yet?
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Even if the Derminator's the best device it's not worth gambling dealing with them. I ordered one last year and upset them somehow despite no communication and my order was cancelled and refunded.
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This result is very impressive. Particularly because it is without finasteride.
I have been following hair loss forums, and somehow I have noticed that during the pandemic, more and more users are becoming aware of the sides of finasteride and dutasteride, and dropping it from their regime.
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Topical finasteride goes systematic as well and will have the same sides eventually, like if you had them with oral. Topical dutasteride has also shown to go systematic, but to a lesser degree. However the effectiveness is highly questionable so far.
supermusic
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On the studies that I have read apparently no side effects of possible systemic absorption are reported, although the values have not been measured. However, it is logical that if you apply minoxidil on an eroded scalp there will be more systemic absorption. That is why it is advisable to wait 24 hours after the microneedling session before applying Minoxidil.
I have read in one of the protocols of the follicle method that they raised the option of using minoxidil at 2% in the first applications after microneedling, which I suppose has to do with avoiding the effects of possible systemic absorption.
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here he is the troll .. new member on Monday !!! stop that nobody believes you"Retrospective investigation showed 32 cases of cancer associated with the use of topical MXD in humans."
"Following the application of repeated escalating doses of MXD solution, cardiac hypertrophy, hypotension, enhanced serum natriuretic peptides and K+ -ion levels, serum liver biomarkers, and histological lesions including renal cancer were observed."
BPS Publications
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1 mg finasteride gives very few (<2%) of people sides
Remember 5 mg of finasteride is used for people with BPH
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which test? you don't even know what you're saying instead of talking .. find out first .. it's not writing bullshit that nobody believes you ... stupid troll
Einstein
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I don’t care what people say about their gains in the short term whether it be from topical minoxidil, oral minoxidil, or microneedling/dermarolling, if you have the male pattern baldness gene you will inevitably lose your gains and plus some without the use of any dht inhibitor or topical anti-androgen.
Have you doneany research online? There are an insane amount of people who whine and cry and b*tch about losing their hair when minoxidil or microneedling gave them such great regrowth at first. Well, wtf did they expect? They never took any finasteride, dutasteride, keto, or ru. Of course it’s all going to go. Could care less that they proceeded to go bald, but what baffles me is they have the audacity to go blasting their solo use of minoxidil, or microneedling all over the forums claiming “boo hoo minoxidil doesn’t work…” “ be warned my people! For minoxidil only works for one yr and then it makes you go bald!!” “Don’t use microneedling! It will work the first few months and it all falls out waah waaah”. Fukctards.
And as for your last paragraph, for those who get benefits from minoxidil or microneedling can continue to make gains in both thickness and regrowth up to12-24 months (microneedling is usually shorter in time terms of regrowth). Meaning they can thicken and/or achieve regrowth up to 12 months, or even possibly up to 24 months. Afterwards minoxidil or microneedling would will provide maintenance for whatever gains it has provided. This maintenance can last decades! But on the condition that a dht inhibitor is used in conjunction with minoxidil. Otherwise a person will make some gains and then cry when they lose their gains very shortly afterwards. So to say minoxidil becomes less and less effective is very misleading. The same can be said of microneedling. A dht inhibitor or anti androgen must be added to the regimen.
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been doing the minoxidil and micro needling all over my head for the past 10 months. needling once every 2 weeks for 15 to 20 minutes. rogaine every night. honestly, some SLIGGGGGGHHHT thickening, if any. definitely maintaining. but i'm not regrowing sh*t.
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Maintenance is definitely a positive result, regrowth is a bonus.