What should the US foreign policy be? International people?
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ali777
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CCS said:
First of all, in the traditional definition of Middle East there is NO *istan country. Some sources expand Middle East to cover North Africa and Central Asia. In the "larger Middle East" map there are 6 *istan countries, 4 of which are former Soviet Republics.
From those 6 countries, Pakistan is the only made up *istan country, all the other countries have long history... Longer history than your country.
Before, you make any comments about world geography or world history at least take a look at wikipedia so that you are factually correct...
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Afghanistan is also a made up "stan" country. There are no "ethnic Afghans", they are Pastuns, Turkmen, etc.ali777 said:
As for the ex-Sovet "stan" countries, whilst it is true that these ethnic groups have been around a long time, the actual shape and size of these states are a fabricated matter as well. ESPECIALLY in the Caucasus. In the 1930's, Josef Stalin manipulated the borders of these states specifically so as to ensure that there were significant ethnic minorities in them, making them easier to rule. So, CCS's claim that these states look like they have "fabricated" borders for the sake of divide and conquer is actually right on the mark.
Here's a nice article that I googled up that discusses the matter:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 99615.html
-Stan simply means 'place'. It is an old, ancient term of belonging to place. It's a surviving indo-european root. That is, the common ancestor of indo-european languages, english and hindi, persian and italian, all having been descended from the same root language. Semitic languages, arabic, hebrew, aramaic etc. too have a common root unrelated to to the indo-european family.
In German, Stadt meaning city in it's modern form is related to -stan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan
I find language quite interesting.
In German, Stadt meaning city in it's modern form is related to -stan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan
I find language quite interesting.
What if the US tells Isreal they have 1 year to evacuate before the US stops giving millitary aid or bribing egypt.
The isreali's move to the US/Mexico boarder, and are helped out while they learn Spanish.
Their 20 year olds, who used to work in counter terrorism, work for our border patrol to earn their keep, looking for drug smugglers. They have 2 years to learn spanish, while they live together doing consulting type businesses from home, talking to each other in hebrew.
At the end of 2 years, they are all sent down to mexico, and given mexican citizenship. They are the entrepenuers who will rebuild mexico, and their counter terrorist youth will fight the drug lords instead of the former suicide bombers. We give them 1/4 the money we used to give Isreal, that way they stand a chance.
Their brown skin makes them fit in with the mexicans. They build factories and other infrustructure down there. We have an allie to the south, and no more drugs coming accross. The middle east is pleased with america because we removed isreal from there. Palistine now inhabits all of isreal and moves into the vacated houses.
Jews are business people. The US would save over 75% of what they are currently spending on zionism. The Jews would use 1/4 the former money to rebuild mexico. The mexicans would love them for it. Unlike the palistinians, the mexicans don't have the similar background that makes them fight so much. When they deal with the drug dealers, it would just be straight business and gun shots, not suicide bombs with the goal of genocide. I'm sure it is doable. And when Mexico becomes rich, mexicans would have no reason to flee to the united states like they are doing now.
What do you guys think?
The isreali's move to the US/Mexico boarder, and are helped out while they learn Spanish.
Their 20 year olds, who used to work in counter terrorism, work for our border patrol to earn their keep, looking for drug smugglers. They have 2 years to learn spanish, while they live together doing consulting type businesses from home, talking to each other in hebrew.
At the end of 2 years, they are all sent down to mexico, and given mexican citizenship. They are the entrepenuers who will rebuild mexico, and their counter terrorist youth will fight the drug lords instead of the former suicide bombers. We give them 1/4 the money we used to give Isreal, that way they stand a chance.
Their brown skin makes them fit in with the mexicans. They build factories and other infrustructure down there. We have an allie to the south, and no more drugs coming accross. The middle east is pleased with america because we removed isreal from there. Palistine now inhabits all of isreal and moves into the vacated houses.
Jews are business people. The US would save over 75% of what they are currently spending on zionism. The Jews would use 1/4 the former money to rebuild mexico. The mexicans would love them for it. Unlike the palistinians, the mexicans don't have the similar background that makes them fight so much. When they deal with the drug dealers, it would just be straight business and gun shots, not suicide bombs with the goal of genocide. I'm sure it is doable. And when Mexico becomes rich, mexicans would have no reason to flee to the united states like they are doing now.
What do you guys think?
CCS said:
Evacuate? Don't get me wrong. Despite my fervent anti-zionism, I am not inherently against Jewish people living in Palestine, they've always lived there and is a central part of their religion, to effectively ban them from that land is neither desirable nor beneficial to anyone. My problem is with a lot of frankly horrible policies and denial of the basic right of a population to live freely in their own country.
What do you expect? Drug the Israelis into a coma, transport them to US border with Mexico, and since it's all desert, they might just think they're still in Palestine patrolling the Egyptian-Gaza-West Bank borders? And that Mexicans could pass for Palestinians?
You know that's an M. Night Shyamalan movie just waiting to be made. :woot:
Mexicos economy soared 10% I think last year, and not all Jewish people are businessmen. I like your creativity though, but if 2 thirds of the worlds Jews don't want to move to Israel any time soon, what makes you think that any significant number will rush to Mexico? Israel is fairly developed, the majority of Jews live in either Israel or USA. 6-7 million in each. Again, the majority of both are citizens of those places, many born there, and thus have a right to remain. The problem with zionism is that if you're an Arab and born in the same land, you don't have that same right. 7 million stateless Palestinians, 1 million in Gaza, 4 million in West Bank, have less rights in Palestine, than a Jewish person in New York who may have never set foot in the Middle East. That is what needs to be corrected.
So community cohesion is based on skin tones? I suppose India and Pakistan, World War 1 and 2, the American Civil War, the British Civil Wars and the Japanese occupation of Korea and China during WW2 didn't spring to mind. Israelis are actually mixed. Most are from East European, Southern Russian descent and will be seen as white people by Mexicans.
Jews are people*.
Why do you keep saying "rebuild" Mexico? It hasn't been destroyed, it's developing.
Ok I should perhaps say that I know that your main issue is illegal immigration, border control etc. Palestinians and Israelis are not fighting because they have a similar background. They are fighting because the "immigrants took our jobs and stole our homes" LITERALLY, it's one of the few places in the world where that statement applies very literally.
If everyone becomes rich then we'd all be middle-class. Which means there'd be no upper-class, which they wouldn't let happen. Concentrating Israeli aid on 6 million people in a tiny country can easily achieve a lot, concentrating a quarter of that on over 100 million people in Mexico won't make much difference to anything.
An interesting attempt CCS lol solving your immigration+drug issues and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict together, is probably not going to work. :smack:
The chinese got democracy all wrong. They think if they could vote, they could have their way, instead of being told what to do. That is why it appeals to them.
But here in the US, it seems every person or measure I vote for loses. I've been voting for 10 years, and they all lost. That is why I had a bad feeling 18 months ago that McCain would lose. And even though Obama won, he is now moving towards the center, instead of the left, so even the leftists are unhappy. Everyone wants to do things different ways, and most people don't get their way, or even have a vote. Just people like Obama, who got $500,000,000 for his campaign, get to win. At least the Chinese government does not blow $500,000,000 on each candidate. 2/3 the bad stuff they do is just so they can stay in power and not get undermined by a news reporter. People who just follow the laws and focus on work and school and tourism don't have much to worry about over there. We are taxed hard here by a government that does dumb stuff, but we all feel OK since we got to vote, even if we lost or our winning candidate does not do what he said he would do.
I just hope the US does not put an embargo on China or do other stuff because they have an oligarchy instead of a republic. Over here, we technically vote for electors, not candidates. Many people opposed the bailout, and it still passed. I think elections are a huge sharade and waste of money.
Even if I had my way, then someone else would be upset. That is how it works. I could bend over backwards to make a plan that is fair to everyone, but if they don't get a total win for their side, they get upset.
I've learned I get a lot further in life if I work on my own life instead of trying to change government.
But here in the US, it seems every person or measure I vote for loses. I've been voting for 10 years, and they all lost. That is why I had a bad feeling 18 months ago that McCain would lose. And even though Obama won, he is now moving towards the center, instead of the left, so even the leftists are unhappy. Everyone wants to do things different ways, and most people don't get their way, or even have a vote. Just people like Obama, who got $500,000,000 for his campaign, get to win. At least the Chinese government does not blow $500,000,000 on each candidate. 2/3 the bad stuff they do is just so they can stay in power and not get undermined by a news reporter. People who just follow the laws and focus on work and school and tourism don't have much to worry about over there. We are taxed hard here by a government that does dumb stuff, but we all feel OK since we got to vote, even if we lost or our winning candidate does not do what he said he would do.
I just hope the US does not put an embargo on China or do other stuff because they have an oligarchy instead of a republic. Over here, we technically vote for electors, not candidates. Many people opposed the bailout, and it still passed. I think elections are a huge sharade and waste of money.
Even if I had my way, then someone else would be upset. That is how it works. I could bend over backwards to make a plan that is fair to everyone, but if they don't get a total win for their side, they get upset.
I've learned I get a lot further in life if I work on my own life instead of trying to change government.