Why is propecia not OTC?

[Guest]

You know somethin Bubba, I'm probably one of the few people here who actually appreciates the ad hominem!! :lol:

What does consistency has to do with anything? Are we talking about things that a woman can buy OVER THE COUNTER that can cause birth defects or does the item in question have to fit some specific profile? A woman can easily go a month (missed cycle) without knowing she's pregnant. That's a constant, not a variable so obviously you remove it from this equation.

If the bottom line is that finasteride could not be OTC because "it has the potential to cause birth defects" that means we should legislate against ANYTHING that would potentially cause birth defects to have consistency right? Uh oh, no more kitty litter for you because woman who change kitty litter can possibly have birth defects. Uh oh, gotta remove that water tap from your house bubba! Tap water can cause birth defects. Woops, guess me made a mistake and have to go and repeal the 21st amendment now as well!

So let me ask again, is the fact that finasteride CAN potentially cause birth defects the only reason keeping it from going OTC?

 

[bubka]

You know somethin Bubba, I'm probably one of the few people here who actually appreciates the ad hominem!! :lol:

What does consistency has to do with anything? Are we talking about things that a woman can buy OVER THE COUNTER that can cause birth defects or does the item in question have to fit some specific profile? A woman can easily go a month (missed cycle) without knowing she's pregnant. That's a constant, not a variable so obviously you remove it from this equation.

If the bottom line is that finasteride could not be OTC because "it has the potential to cause birth defects" that means we should legislate against ANYTHING that would potentially cause birth defects to have consistency right? Uh oh, no more kitty litter for you because woman who change kitty litter can possibly have birth defects. Uh oh, gotta remove that water tap from your house bubba! Tap water can cause birth defects. Woops, guess me made a mistake and have to go and repeal the 21st amendment now as well!

So let me ask again, is the fact that finasteride CAN potentially cause birth defects the only reason keeping it from going OTC?

you are seriously playing dumb here, what do you not get about there are serious levels and variability of getting birth defects, not to mention it is not recommended for prepubescent and pubescent males too... it needs to be regulated, thats why we have a pharmacy... in your crazy libertarian world, 5 year olds should be allowed to buy beer and propecia and that would be just fine... christ

 

[Guest]

......and he dodges the issue!! lol, as expected. Who exactly is talking about a libertarian world here (which would be better than a Republicratic/Demolican one though)???

We're talking SPECIFICALLY about finasteride being OTC. Now you're talking about bald drunk 5-year olds.

 

[bubka]

......and he dodges the issue!! lol, as expected. Who exactly is talking about a libertarian world here (which would be better than a Republicratic/Demolican one though)???

We're talking SPECIFICALLY about finasteride being OTC. Now you're talking about bald drunk 5-year olds.

dodging the issue? why the hell should a hormone altering drug be readily available to anyone who wants it? seriously, are you that stupid?

look at your stay here at HairLossTalk.com, all you do is post crap and argue against the establishment and consensus here has to say

you stated that because it causes birth defects that we should legislate everything that could to be OTC? is your mind that simple that you cannot see the difference between a drug like caffeine or nicotine to finasteride, i guess so

 

[Guest]

Hey Bubba,

So the ad hominem isn't doing it anymore and now you're throwing in the credibility attacks huh?! In all honesty, you crack me up my friend! Getting all worked up over this post.

The question has never been WHY make finasteride available to anyone who wants it, the question was WHYNOT, which you still haven't been able to answer.

Who is talking about caffeine?

And please enlighten my simple mind, why can other substances such as alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, be available OTC while finasteride cannot?

 

[bubka]

alright dumb ***, please read a let it sink it, read again, then probably write it down so you can read my words on your next dumb *** post (that ad hominem is a classic too, a real winning comeback :thumbs_up

finasteride almost certainly causes birth defects, its not "linked" or there is not a "chance" or "increased chance" if f*****g causes birth defects in male fetuses, plus it can cause developmental problem in prepubescent and pubescent males too, none of those others that you mention do that, plus it cane happen from a small dosage, not multiple and reoccurring like that others you mentioned

 

[abcdefg]

Its pretty funny we regulate women buying propecia because it can cause birth defects, but we let them walk in and actually kill the kid with some chemical injected into its brain for an abortion. They dont even need a prescription. Ah america we have so many double standards its not even funny.

 

[Guest]

what's a comeback? That's what you're using, ad hominem attacks. If you don't know what this means it's when someone has to attack the individual because they can no longer argue the issue.

finasteride almost certainly causes birth defects

How can something "almost certainly" cause a birth defect. It either does or it doesn't. If you're going to STATE that it absolutely does cause a birth defect then you better have some real scientific data to back this up. We already know that alcohol, cigarettes, certain foods, and other OTC medications can cause birth defects as well. Still see no reason about why this would keep finasteride from being OTC.

There's a bigger aspect about this that you do not get, let's see if you figure out why finasteride could be an OTC since alcohol, cigarettes, many foods, and kitty litter are freely exchanged between a business and another individual. It's rather simple, you should be able to figure it out.

 

[Guest]

Its pretty funny we regulate women buying propecia because it can cause birth defects, but we let them walk in and actually kill the kid with some chemical injected into its brain for an abortion. They dont even need a prescription. Ah america we have so many double standards its not even funny.

LOL, good point abcdefg! I didn't really want to stray off subject because bubba can't even say whether or not finasteride does cause birth defects, while there's clearly other OTC substances that will cause birth defects also. But yes, she can walk into some clinic that my earnings get confiscated for so an ice pick go into the skull of a perfectly healthy baby as it takes its first gasp of air.

 

[bubka]

two right wing jackasses who don't understand the constitution, just awesome

yeah, in the studies, i think it was on some type of ape or monkey, it causes the birth defect, thus the warning and regulation, which you dumb asses cannot understand

 

[abcdefg]

Can you tell me bubka exactly what my post has anything to do with what you said?
Theres nothing in it that bears any resemblance to me being right wing or my political stance. I never said or hinted what my stance on abortion was. I simply pointed out another american double standard.

 

[bubka]

you called a fetus a "kid" need a say more, you cant even distinguish the two, and you compared the abortion to somebody purposefully taking a drug in hopes of giving a fetus a birth defects

 

[Guest]

two right wing jackasses who don't understand the constitution, just awesome

yeah, in the studies, i think it was on some type of ape or monkey, it causes the birth defect, thus the warning and regulation, which you dumb asses cannot understand

Ok, I simply question why finasteride can't be OTC, you give a fallacious response that can't answer whynot. I simply state a fact that babies are having ice picks jammed into their skulls when they take their first gasp of air and I don't understand the Constitution? I'm certainly no right winger, but I'm guessing you're probably a fascosocialist.

Let me guess, the Constitution guarantees a "Separation of Chuch and State" as well as a "democracy" right? The Constitution must also state that it is illegal to sell finasteride without a prescription!!

I guess this thread will have to continue off-topic until a mod shuts it, because the only thing we have is that some monkeys in the back may or may not have had birth defects. :lol:

 

[bubka]

no, a right wing wacko, my god, you have an anti IRS logo, and then called fairtaxnow... there are a lot of lefties that propose that... idiot

 

[Guest]

Nice try again buddy. But the FairTax plan is non-partisan, the IRS is unconstitutional, and the 16th amendment was never even legally ratified. Close but no cigar. I liked how you went completely off-topic on this one! :wink: By the way I hope you continue feeling comfortable with your Republicrats and Demicans.

 

[Bryan]

What really is the basis for your criticism of the IRS? Does it really make much difference HOW the government gets its operating money, as long as it gets it?

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Yes, makes a BIG difference. IRS is simply a product of the Income Tax, which has its roots based in communism. Our Founders protected against any DIRECT taxation and our country survived for just about 125 years with any direct tax. You can read more about it over at FairTax.org, surprised you haven't known about it already being out of Houston. I guess I'll have to start a thread about this in the off-topic forum so this can stay on the topic of finasteride being OTC. Guess it's a fitting off-topic thread being tax season anyways.

That was my bottom line about finasteride deemed to NOT be OTC as well, it's simply anti-liberty for a group of politicians to determine that finasteride must be prescription, while other things potentially more dangerous are available for anybody to get. Individual responsibility is the key, not reliance on government to protect us from ourselves.

 

[bubka]

while other things potentially more dangerous are available for anybody to get. Individual responsibility is the key, not reliance on government to protect us from ourselves.

name one drug that can be as dangerous as finasteride that you can get OTC??? i rest my case

 

[Guest]

while other things potentially more dangerous are available for anybody to get. Individual responsibility is the key, not reliance on government to protect us from ourselves.

name one drug that can be as dangerous as finasteride that you can get OTC??? i rest my case

alcohol. I rest my case.

 

[Guest]

Its pretty funny we regulate women buying propecia because it can cause birth defects, but we let them walk in and actually kill the kid with some chemical injected into its brain for an abortion. They dont even need a prescription. Ah america we have so many double standards its not even funny.

finasteride isn't a concern for women who are going to abort their kids anyway. if they are pregnant and have an abortion scheduled for the following week, they can handle all the pills they want.

but if they're planning on carrying the kid to term, it's smart to NOT touch finasteride tablets. the fact that you don't see the difference between those two situations is ridiculous.

women have a right to choose and if they choose to have a kid, finasteride tablets should be kept away from them.

But yes, she can walk into some clinic that my earnings get confiscated for so an ice pick go into the skull of a perfectly healthy baby as it takes its first gasp of air.

not to take this too off topic but it's my understanding that federal Medicaid funds can only be used on abortions that are the product of rape, incest, or the save the mother's health/life. state laws may differ on what they cover but you can always move to another state if you don't like their abortion funding regulations. until then, stop whining, because voters of your state elect the legislators that craft the medicaid laws.