Why is the thinning area in male pattern baldness exactly the galea area ?

balder

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There are also exceptions to the rules like "Eunuchs don't go bald if castrated before puberty" ... here is a bald eunuch...

http://www.baldingblog.com/2009/03/09/c ... -was-bald/

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/06 ... a-eunuchs6

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Sometimes weaknesses are to be found in the "donor dominance" theory...
 

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I agree. Can't be made with a simple statement. :agree:

But what I don't agree with is castration being used to define the causes of baldness e.g. "androgenetic alopecia"

For example, castration merely prevents further hair loss. If androgenetics is all there is, why did the hair grow equally well in male and female mice as normal hair in just four months? Castration should, at the least, match those results.

But you're right, more research is needed but it can only go forward if we expand or change the current definition of 'androgenetics'.
 

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idontwanttobebalding said:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?p=611106#p611106

Another pretty interesting finding that I noticed in the study is that the research concluded restoration (and by implication, the damage to the follicle) was accomplished in one cycle.....almost as if it were an event....or caused by an event, as aposed to a process.
Duh, I'm lost. Please elaborate :woot:
 

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idontwanttobebalding said:
...The one-hair-cycle reversal of the miniaturized hair follicles of Androgenetic Alopecia, ... supports the hypothesis that miniaturization does not occur gradually over many hair cycles ... but may, in fact, be an abrupt, large-step process that can potentially reverse just as quickly ...
Ahh.. The hypothesis is: when terminal falls off, it may regrow and stay in miniaturized form. And the same miniturized hair may grow to terminal when the conditions become favorable.

There is one test they didn't perform: Transplanting completely hairless scalp.

They can debate all they want on dominance but: :puke:

In the end. organ cells do the decision based on the underlying conditions. ... solves the debate, right?

Cells are more intelligent than all the biologists/geneticists in the world combined.

We can control an airplane but we cannot command it.
We can command cells and even train them but we are unable to control them.
 

balder

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If baldness was selected for then it must have conferred some type of survival advantage to our distant ancestors.

http://www.physorg.com/news95954919.html



Humans, he said, have several adaptations that help us dump the enormous amounts of heat generated by running. These adaptations include our hairlessness, our ability to sweat, and the fact that we breathe through our mouths when we run, which not only allows us to take bigger breaths, but also helps dump heat.

“We can run in conditions that no other animal can run in,â€￾ Lieberman said.

While animals get rid of excess heat by panting, they can’t pant when they gallop, Lieberman said. That means that to run a prey animal into the ground, ancient humans didn’t have to run further than the animal could trot and didn’t have to run faster than the animal could gallop. All they had to do is to run faster, for longer periods of time, than the slowest speed at which the animal started to gallop.

All together, Lieberman said, these adaptations allowed us to relentlessly pursue game in the hottest part of the day when most animals rest. Lieberman said humans likely practiced persistence hunting, chasing a game animal during the heat of the day, making it run faster than it could maintain, tracking and flushing it if it tried to rest, and repeating the process until the animal literally overheated and collapsed.

Most animals would develop hyperthermia — heat stroke in humans — after about 10 to 15 kilometers, he said.

By the end of the process, Lieberman said, even humans with their crude early weapons could have overcome stronger and more dangerous prey. Adding credence to the theory, Lieberman said, is the fact that some aboriginal humans still practice persistence hunting today, and it remains an effective technique. It requires very minimal technology, has a high success rate, and yields a lot of meat.



Scalp hair miniaturizes in the presence of androgens due to the need to eliminate heat from the brain.... hypothetically speaking :woot:
 

balder

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Most people go bald AFTER the prime of life but hunters/distance runners would need to maximize heat loss during their prime hunting years... :dunno:

Brain cooling seems to leave gaps in an explanation for evolution and baldness... :hairy:
 

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Another theory of evolution is that humans are basically fetalized apes in that we retain certain juvenile characteristics into adulthood.

A fetal chimp has head hair but no body hair this would translate as a form of neoteny for adult humans with little body hair and some scalp hair.

Baldness could be a form of accelerated evolution with brain growth.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

Neoteny in humans can be seen in different aspects. It can be compared with other great ape species, between the sexes and between individuals. Some examples include:

* the flatness of the human face compared with other primates
* late arrival of the teeth


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Chimpanzees are five times stronger than humans. We might have gained some smarts at the price of losing the physical strength of our common ancestors of humans and chimps.

We might eventually evolve into a bald fetal alien look


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Interesting:
the skull of the newborn chimpanzee is remarkably humanlike (see figure), whereas the adult chimpanzee departs strikingly from the human form. Similarly, the hair on a chimpanzee fetus is, in humanlike fashion, restricted to the head, whereas the adult chimpanzee (like all other mammals except humans) is fully covered with hair
http://www.natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic10/evol.htm

But, we know that all pilosebaceous units or "hairs" are formed in the embrional peiod, body hair exist at birth but they are miniaturized, the same in the chimp.
 

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Bryan are all body hair follicles triggered to start growing by the presence of DHT or is it testosterone or some combination of both? Has anyone ever correlated how body hair changes as their head hair changes like if a relationship actually does exist between DHT, head hair, and body hair? It really seems most younger guys with no hair loss coincidentally have no body hair while men that are majorly balding at a young age are unusually hairy all over. Women also being a strong example of body hair being an indicator of androgen levels like DHT.
 
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