Wow, sounds like Dr. Rassman's starting to change his Tune

[cristi2011]

That's right- undocumented! Based on what people say -on forums or out of them!
DHT and the brain?? That would make no sense as it would mean male brain
functions completely different from female brain, since DHT inhibiting affects it.

Androgens, especially DHT, affects your brain a lot. Estrogen does that too, for that matter. It makes perfectly sense that a 70% reduction in the DHT level affects your brain negatively. For instance; DHT affects aggression, and aggression isn't necessarily a negative term. Reduced levels of androgens are linked to depression as well, and that's documented. Estrogen makes you more emotional. Just read about BB's who use very androgenic steroids, and those who use Clomid for PCT. The male and female brain acts a bit differently.

Aaaa, in that sense.
No no no, i was claiming DHT can't affect your brain on a COGNITIVE level. That would be a problem. And would make no sense, since it would mean cognitive function behaves differently in men and women. Cognitive function doesn't seem to be affected by hormones.
And if less DHT makes me less agressive, that's perfectly fine! Anyway, since taking finasteride, i noticed i'm more calm and i react better to stress and difficult situations. Before, i used to get nervous and ovverreact over minor issues, now i don't.
Depression? Well, losing your hair may get you very well into that, and regrowing it(if finasteride works for you) surely gets you undepressed, not depressed!

 

[Ende]

And if less DHT makes me less agressive, that's perfectly fine! Anyway, since taking finasteride, i noticed i'm more calm and i react better to stress and difficult situations. Before, i used to get nervous and ovverreact over minor issues, now i don't.
Depression? Well, losing your hair may get you very well into that, and regrowing it(if finasteride works for you) surely gets you undepressed, not depressed!

Usually, high levels of androgens makes you more confident and calm, but at the same time more competitive and aggressive. It's a powerful combination. When my hormone levels are more or less balanced with a high DHT level, I'm usually having violent and sexual dreams as well. Androgen deprivation makes you depressed for no reason. Proviron was used to treat depression in men suffering from andropause. Today, testosterone gels or injections are used for this.

 

[Mens Rea]

It doesn't make it any more true.

It adds weight to it.

You are getting ridiculous, to be frank, Wuffer.

Go live your life and get off this board. You're a good guy but you've no business in this section 24/7.

And before you tell me to do the same. Sadly PFS has become the bain of my life...but i'm doing all the right things to alleviate this.

You have no idea how frustrating your posts can be to a guy that is living this hell 24/7. I have to get bloods taken, MRI's, injections, GP appointments, Endochronologist appoints, telephone consults etc. I HATE needles, i HATE hospitals, i HATE medication. I just don't think you fully understand the gravity of all of this.

We can go around in circles and you can ask me to prove it was the finasteride. I've told you it was. My endo is in agreement. You don't have to agree , that's your perogative, but i just think you're dabbling with stuff you really have no jurisdiction in, Wuffer.

 

[Ende]

I'm actually looking forward to jabbing a needle in my thigh once a week. One more injection, is one step closer to recovery.

 

[Mens Rea]

I'm actually looking forward to jabbing a needle in my thigh once a week. One more injection, is one step closer to recovery.

I hope so my friend.

I can handle all this right now simply because i trust i will resolve it. The prospect of my future being the same is something i cannot even contemplate.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

That's right- undocumented! Based

Aaaa, in that sense.
No no no, i was claiming DHT can't affect your brain on a COGNITIVE level. That would be a problem. And would make no sense, since it would mean cognitive function behaves differently in men and women. Cognitive function doesn't seem to be affected by hormones.

Sorry, but there's a well documented link between testosterone and spatial awareness i remember seeing this years ago on a program where a lady took testosterone because she wanted to become male.

Cognitive function is affected by hormones,

http://sun2.science.wayne.edu/~nal/moff ... linear.pdf

cognitive function is affected by mood as well.

http://www.jad-journal.com/article/S0165-0327(09)00170-0/abstract

and just in case you didn't think DHT was involved

http://learnmem.cshlp.org/content/16/8/479.full.pdf

Yeah okay so it's for lady mice, but hopefully you're beginning to get the picture.

 

[cristi2011]

Nothing relevant in those links! You even say that T has a connection with spatial bla-bla-bla, not DHT! So no point there, actually T increases while on finasteride. And, let me say it again, DHT does not dissapear at all, it is only REDUCED by 70%.
And if you come with what you remeber seeing on TV some years ago, sorry, but i'm wasting my time!
No evidence.
So give us a break with DHT and brain. If less DHT damages the brain, that would mean all women in the world would be born with damaged brains. It is that simple and that impossible!

 

[I AM AWESOME]

I'm actually looking forward to jabbing a needle in my thigh once a week. One more injection, is one step closer to recovery.

I hope so my friend.

I can handle all this right now simply because i trust i will resolve it. The prospect of my future being the same is something i cannot even contemplate.

Don't worry, man, some people have survived advanced stages of cancer, and some from heart diesease, ED seems very insignificant in comparison but I can see how your life has been destroyed in many ways. You'll recover, man, just keep at it and don't give up.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Nothing relevant in those links! You even say that T has a connection with spatial bla-bla-bla, not DHT! So no point there, actually T increases while on finasteride. And, let me say it again, DHT does not dissapear at all, it is only REDUCED by 70%.
And if you come with what you remeber seeing on TV some years ago, sorry, but i'm wasting my time!
No evidence.
So give us a break with DHT and brain. If less DHT damages the brain, that would mean all women in the world would be born with damaged brains. It is that simple and that impossible!

To quote you directly you said "Cognitive function doesn't seem to be affected by hormones"

I provided links proving that it is, I'm sorry if you consider that to be wasting your time.

I was just trying to disprove your ridiculous assumption that hormones have no bearing on the brain.

Do you even know what a hormone is?

Please answer yes or no to the following questions and then have a pop at what i've written if you feel the need.

Do you believe testosterone (a hormone) is linked to spatial awareness?
Do you believe that cognitive function can be affected by other serotonin, dopamine etc which are hormones?

Unlike you i at least had the decency to back up my assumptions.

And to take the leap that it means women are born with damaged brains, f*** man!

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Nothing relevant in those links! You even say that T has a connection with spatial bla-bla-bla, not DHT!

The title of that final link i posted

"Testosterone and dihydrotestosterone differentially
improve cognition in aged female mice"

You do realise that dihydrotestosterone is DHT right?

And if you come with what you remeber seeing on TV some years ago, sorry, but i'm wasting my time!
No evidence.

In amongst the links to reports there has to be a bit of patter to keep the layman interested.

btw I'm not anti propecia, it's just when people come out with complete falsehoods and bullshit i have to correct them.

 

[Ende]

[quote="Mens Rea":ygyhr6s0]

I'm actually looking forward to jabbing a needle in my thigh once a week. One more injection, is one step closer to recovery.

I hope so my friend.

I can handle all this right now simply because i trust i will resolve it. The prospect of my future being the same is something i cannot even contemplate.

Don't worry, man, some people have survived advanced stages of cancer, and some from heart diesease, ED seems very insignificant in comparison but I can see how your life has been destroyed in many ways. You'll recover, man, just keep at it and don't give up. [/quote:ygyhr6s0]
Insignificant? I would rather die than to live like this, man.

 

[barcafan]

I cant believe the merck shill (rasman) is actually not vehemently defending finasteride

 

[I AM AWESOME]

Insignificant? I would rather die than to live like this, man.

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way.What I meant is that it is seen as insignificant in the eyes of doctors in comparison to say heart diesease and cancer, which is why you aren't exactly getting (Or were not gettting at the start) the required medical help that you need.

On another note, I just read that 50% of those diagnosed with diabetes get ED within 10 years. :shock:

 

[I AM AWESOME]

I cant believe the merck shill (rasman) is actually not vehemently defending finasteride

WTF, dude. How's he a ''merck shill'. Clearly he advocates the use of generic finasteride. :hump:

 

[Ende]

[quote="I AM AWESOME":3q28e2sr]
Insignificant? I would rather die than to live like this, man.

(...) What I meant is that it is seen as insignificant in the eyes of doctors in comparison to say heart diesease and cancer, which is why you aren't exactly getting (Or were not gettting at the start) the required medical help that you need. [/quote:3q28e2sr]
I certainly hope not. I was under the impression that I didn't get any help because all my hormone levels appeared within "normal range". Yep, that's it. Btw, it reminds me of someone on a HRT forum. A man, around 40 years old. I don't remember if he was on TRT, or if he wanted to get on. Anyway, he had some serious trouble down there, and it was beginning to affect the relationship to his wife, because he couldn't have sex with her. The doctor asked if he could masturbate himself to orgasm, and yes, he could. Then the doctor rejected him, because his release was ultimately the only thing that mattered anyway. That's one of many examples how retarded those arrogant pricks can be.

 

[johnbbbb]

A man, around 40 years old. I don't remember if he was on TRT, or if he wanted to get on. Anyway, he had some serious trouble down there, and it was beginning to affect the relationship to his wife, because he couldn't have sex with her. The doctor asked if he could masturbate himself to orgasm, and yes, he could. Then the doctor rejected him, because his release was ultimately the only thing that mattered anyway. That's one of many examples how retarded those arrogant pricks can be.

Huh? So he can get it up for his pornos but not for his wife. I think that's a pretty clear-cut case of his ED being caused by performance anxiety, not something physiological. The Dr. wasn't being an arrogant prick, he was being a good doctor.

 

[Ende]

Huh? So he can get it up for his pornos but not for his wife. I think that's a pretty clear-cut case of his ED being caused by performance anxiety, not something physiological. The Dr. wasn't being an arrogant prick, he was being a good doctor.

NO, his ED made it impossible to have intercourse, but he could rub himself to orgasm - and the doctor thought that was enough, because his orgasm was ultimately the only thing that mattered anyway. You think that's a good doctor?

 

[Ende]

It's f*****g outrageous if you ask me.

 

[DIYtony]

So he could masturbate himself till ejaculation without getting an erection? wtf

 

[Ende]

Do you know what ED is? It's not impotence. Your penis needs a certain rigidity to be able to penetrate, but you could still achieve an orgasm, even if it's limp as a cooked noodle.