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He's pushing herbal supplements with no solid science behind them on a natural wellness site, does that seem legit to you?
 
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I have a PhD.

I know a lot of smart people who have PhDs.

But overall the population is not as off the scale as people think. Intelligence matters, but so does luck and privilege. And you only need extreme intelligence to write a "great" dissertation, which you'll never know if somebody did.
 
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Solving a problem in medicine like male pattern baldness that has so many unknowns still is just as much luck as it intelligence. I mean there is enough intelligent theory on these forums to make all kinds of treatments for male pattern baldness. The issue is the huge pile of practical issues and money/time to actually turn that theory into some kind of legit product, and all the things that go into that. Where the rubber meets the road is where all the hard stuff happens and theories start to show they dont work as well in practice.
The list of stuff that supposedly lowers DHT, but seems to do nothing in practical terms could fill a book. Saw palmetto, beta sis, flax seed, black tea, green tea, spearmint tea,azelaic acid...It goes on and on even with actual treatments like topical spironolactone or revivogen things with fatty acids that should in theory help stop androgens, but no one ever seems to have the same success as say finasteride in practice. Making it work in humans is the real test not in mice or in theory
 
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A pot bellied, thin armed balding man with a slight erectile dysfunction looks to his wife proudly and proclaims “My doctor says I’m losing my hair because I have too much testosterone.” Ah, pride cometh before the fall! Look at your usual specimen of balding male; honestly does the average balding male look like he has too much testosterone floating 'round his body? Does he have: Good musculature, tight waist, great sexual function, consistently good erection size, good moods, no depression, great mental drive? Vin Diesel might still have all or most of these attributes but he would be one of the few balding men I can think of that does. In most guys loosing hair comes along with an increase in the hormone Di Hydro Testosterone, the swollen prostate, prostate cancer and hair loss hormone. And, sorry to tell you guys, DHT is not really testosterone despite its name and being classified as an androgen (male hormone)! In vivo (in live people not in a test tube or on paper), DHT is mostly made from estrogen. And, estrogen levels in the body have to increase before DHT levels get critical enough to cost you your hair. It is estrogen that causes muscle loss, fat gain, cranky moods, depression, swollen prostates and lack of mental drive.
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That's what I want to hear, but I'm not sure it's accurate.
 
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Swoop said:
Why are you not sure it's accurate?
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Because he's telling us what he wants to hear, a standard mark of snake oil salesman. In the real world great things tend to come at a great cost.

Now that I've read the article ...

- He doesn't provide his references.
- He encourages us to eat maca, ok I already do that but maca does seem like the most overhyped product. He also encourages Enkindle and myomin, myomin doesn't even show up on examine.com.
- He disses flaxseed as a pro-estrogen nut. A quick internet search suggests the opposite.

Women taking flaxseed actually produce less estrogen
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/2/318.full
It's not clear that phytoestrogens are bad
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/confirmed-flaxseed-contains-estrogens-regress-cancer?page=2
Both soy and flaxseed seem to fight breast cancer, so they behave more like aromatase inhibitor than like straight estrogen supplementation.
 
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David_MPN said:
A pot bellied, thin armed balding man with a slight erectile dysfunction looks to his wife proudly and proclaims “My doctor says I’m losing my hair because I have too much testosterone.â€￾ Ah, pride cometh before the fall! Look at your usual specimen of balding male; honestly does the average balding male look like he has too much testosterone floating 'round his body? Does he have: Good musculature, tight waist, great sexual function, consistently good erection size, good moods, no depression, great mental drive? Vin Diesel might still have all or most of these attributes but he would be one of the few balding men I can think of that does. In most guys loosing hair comes along with an increase in the hormone Di Hydro Testosterone, the swollen prostate, prostate cancer and hair loss hormone. And, sorry to tell you guys, DHT is not really testosterone despite its name and being classified as an androgen (male hormone)! In vivo (in live people not in a test tube or on paper), DHT is mostly made from estrogen. And, estrogen levels in the body have to increase before DHT levels get critical enough to cost you your hair. It is estrogen that causes muscle loss, fat gain, cranky moods, depression, swollen prostates and lack of mental drive.
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Breyfogle said:
This is not the Dr. Wong of Hasson and Wong, just to be clear.
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it's not?? what the hell is the big deal then? If it was Dr. Wong of Hasson and Wong, I would understand this thread, but now I don't. I plan on an hair transplant with hasson and Wong this year.
 
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I don't know who this Dr. Wong is, but I agree that low testosterone is the culprit in some balding men.
 
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David_MPN said:
On what basis?
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Pretty much the same reasons he states in this article. Low T leads to more DHT. There are studies that show balding men have lower T levels. That isn't the case for all balding men, as it's a complex disease downstream of many pathways. Everyone should have their own hormone levels checked to see where they are out of balance.
 
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If T converts into DHT how would lower total/free T increase the rate of that conversion into DHT? It makes no sense. Having lower T levels doesnt really mean anything because its sensitivity to androgens that causes male pattern baldness not levels of hormones. Your just more likely to keep your hair by lowering DHT since its all we know how to do so far.
 
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