Some People Are Lucky / Fu** Genetics

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The struggle is indeed real.. My advice to you is to play the game of time. Focus on how many improvements you're going to make as the future unfolds. Improve yourself in some way in every aspect and perhaps one day, you my friend will be the one who is envied.

I have a professor who's probably in his 70's, fat belly, with a thick NW0 (although I personally think NW1 looks way better than NW0 on most men, still crazy)

uhoil said:

How can hair loss be so unfair? I've come to realize is all about genetics.

A friend of mine has the thickest blonde locks ever, and a perfect teen hairline. He's 23 years old, 1 year older than me. He gets drunk every weekend, smokes, eats junk food all the time and he barely sleeps well. Then you have me: I don't drink, smoke and I try to sleep early and eat well. (basically trying to have the least fun possible)

We went on a trip to the beach with our friends a couple months ago, while I brought with me my hair loss kit, he only brought one tiny bottle of baby shampoo. He doesn't give a sh*t about hair care, but his hair looks awesome all the time. Meanwhile I spend tons of money and time on hair lotions, vitamins, shampoos, etc;

Later that night we went to the concert at the beach, and guess what? He pulled all the hot chicks, he's my friend and I like him but I couldn't be more envious, there he was with not a single worry in the world having the time of his life, and then there was me, worrying about how my hair looked all sweaty and thin in the middle of the crowd.

So yeah, there's no doubt genetics is the biggest factor here and it f*****g sucks. Some poeple don't realize how lucky they are. Wish I did back when I had better hair couple years ago.

Sorry I felt like ranting out for a bit.

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Don't be sorry. I think we all went through this realization.
One of my earliest was when I was 23 and I was at university. My hair was heavily thinning, my temples gone. My roommates and I went out with some girls we barely new. I approached one whom I found interesting. Turns out we had incredibly similar interests, in fact. She says talking to me is so refreshing.
The conversation got more and more interesting. Then we got reconnected to the bigger group and promised one another to continue our discussion that same night.

After TWENTY minutes she was telling my NW1 tall roommate (to whom she had never spoken before) how she liked his lips (?) and would like to kiss him. He did not follow up because he was already chasing a more attractive female.

I say: OK, such is life. I would have just liked that someone had educated me earlier about the way genetics decide your fate. I would have lived my youth differently and I would have been happier.

Yep, genetics do suck. Those carefree idiots truly believe it must be something about their personality that is pulling all the female interest.

blackg said:

Yep, genetics do suck. Those carefree idiots truly believe it must be something about their personality that is pulling all the female interest.

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Frankly, I have heard at least a couple of very handsome friends admit they were amazed girls were into them although they themselves thought they were the opposite of smart.

I think the only people who think they are successful because they are smart and not because of their extraordinary bodies are models and European soccer players.
Let us not forget someone thought it was worth doing a TED TALK to suggest looks are NOT EVERYTHING (then what, 80%? 85? LOL)

https://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_russell_looks_aren_t_everything_believe_me_i_m_a_model/transcript

PS: if you read the transcript, the main issue with being a model is "I'm insecure because I have to think about what I look like every day." Well that must suck. Luckily we don't have mirrors.

Roberto_72 said:

Frankly, I have heard at least a couple of very handsome friends admit they were amazed girls were into them although they themselves thought they were the opposite of smart.

I think the only people who think they are successful because they are smart and not because of their extraordinary bodies are models and European soccer players.
Let us not forget someone thought it was worth doing a TED TALK to suggest looks are NOT EVERYTHING (then what, 80%? 85? LOL)

https://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_russell_looks_aren_t_everything_believe_me_i_m_a_model/transcript

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I think the TED talk was a bit redundant. Looks are everything for modelling, sure, since it is their job to look good but everyone knows that.

I think the talk would have had more weight if it explored the effect of looks on other areas of employment instead.

For example, bring up studies about people being declined employment and social opportunities (even being bullied) due to their appearance, even in places where looks shouldn't matter at all like in IT. It would have made for a more interesting talk IMO.

That's life. There's always going to be people better off or worse off than you.

My grandpa looked like an American marine, tall, blue eyes, strong jaw, manly looks, while my grandma looked like a potato, imagine who my father ended up looking near 100%? Yep that's right like my grandma even with the big pores, when I looked at photos as a kid I realized that I got the short end of the stick when it comes to the genetic lottery and I thought that I wouldn't want to have kids because even then I realized if you have strong traits running in the family bloodline they will be passed generation after generation. If I looked like my grandpa from my father's side my life would have been very different instead of the shitshow that it has been.

Dench57 said:

That's life. There's always going to be people better off or worse off than you.

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lol nice cope

numbers are everything

imagine you having 3inch dick

hey brah There's always going to be people better off or worse off than you.

yes of course there are some (1-2%) with smaller dick but it is poor console

same with looks if you are 8/10 there are a few percent of people with better looks and now your cope has sense

but when you bald 4/10 this cope is not equal when you are 8/10

CopeForLife said:

lol nice cope

numbers are everything

imagine you having 3inch dick

hey brah There's always going to be people better off or worse off than you.

yes of course there are some (1-2%) with smaller dick but it is poor console

same with looks if you are 8/10 there are a few percent of people with better looks and now your cope has sense

but when you bald 4/10 this cope is not equal when you are 8/10

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I didn't say it to make him feel better. I meant that life is unfair. Accept it. Is that coping? It's a useless pursuit to compare yourself to other people over things you have no control over.

Take your example about dick size. Either a) get dick enlargement b) shut the f*** up and accept you got dealt a sh*t hand. There is no other option.

resu said:

My grandpa looked like an American marine, tall, blue eyes, strong jaw, manly looks, while my grandma looked like a potato, imagine who my father ended up looking near 100%? Yep that's right like my grandma even with the big pores, when I looked at photos as a kid I realized that I got the short end of the stick when it comes to the genetic lottery and I thought that I wouldn't want to have kids because even then I realized if you have strong traits running in the family bloodline they will be passed generation after generation. If I looked like my grandpa from my father's side my life would have been very different instead of the shitshow that it has been.

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my stepfather was at least 8/10 in looks with thick nw0 in 40-45, big framed and tall, also very low inhib (but friendly)

he told me once in his teens he needed just look into girl's eyes and afterwards he had sex with her (just lol)

once I traveled to his city and saw his relatives everyone is tall and handsome, no one is balding. Girls are tall and blonde. With one guy I was the same height but now he is like 6'8 with amazing face (lol @ existence)

my biological father is potato faced short small framed alcohol-addicted baldcel without work (he lost almost all his teeth already because of alco and poor hygiene)

the more I live the more I regret I was born so early from that incel and not from my stepfather

It is 100% face, but body and personality can be deal breakers for some. I am aware of how weird that sentence sounds, given the %

Here's the thing: Future generations are likely to be privy to genetic engineering, something we obviously were not. So if you are naturally ugly, or at least not satisfied with your appearance and the effects it has on your life, you have to invest in making changes. A lot of people blame genetics and use it as an excuse to be lazy.

Terrible teeth? Go to the dentist. Shitty skin? Dermatologist will get you fixed right up. Horrible hair? Wash, condition it and get a pro-stylist to give you a good cut. Glasses? Get contacts or eye surgery. Fat? Well, you can haz cheezburger no longer; get out there and run, eat healthy and stay active. Did you really get fucked over with your face, nose, and ear shape? Plastic surgeons can fix that with a scalpel and a file. Short? Well, you're screwed, but it's 1000x better to be short and good looking than short and ugly.

Yes, it's not cheap; no, it's not easily accessible to everyone; no, it's not "natural", but it is what you can do. Everyone has it in them to be good looking if they really want it. I remember I turned down this one girl back in highschool because she was ugly as f***. Well, at some point she started to give a damn, because she is now one of the most attractive girls I know.

I believe that every young person needs to experience (no sugar-coating it) how your appearance affects quality of life. From there, they need to make a decision about how much they are willing to prioritize it, both financially and mentally. If you're not willing to go very far, then don't b**ch about the outcome -- you get out of life what you put into it.

Thank you "That guy".

There are two types of personalities:

1. Take the maximum , Make the best out of you also with a bad basic equipment.

2. Sinking into self-pity, God has punished me, Life is unfair, I hate myself and all other people

The fact is most of them are in the category two @ this forum.

That Guy said:

Terrible teeth? Go to the dentist. Shitty skin? Dermatologist will get you fixed right up. Horrible hair? Wash, condition it and get a pro-stylist to give you a good cut. Glasses? Get contacts or eye surgery. Fat? Well, you can haz cheezburger no longer; get out there and run, eat healthy and stay active. Did you really get fucked over with your face, nose, and ear shape? Plastic surgeons can fix that with a scalpel and a file. Short? Well, you're screwed, but it's 1000x better to be short and good looking than short and ugly.

Yes, it's not cheap; no, it's not easily accessible to everyone; no, it's not "natural", but it is what you can do. Everyone has it in them to be good looking if they really want it. I remember I turned down this one girl back in highschool because she was ugly as f***. Well, at some point she started to give a damn, because she is now one of the most attractive girls I know.

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If the gist of your advice is that anyone can improve his/her appearance even slightly, then I will agree. I will caution (from experience) that cosmetic procedures are not to be taken lightly. Permanent scars, nerve damage, aching joints, etc. are just a few considerations one should think about long and hard. The biggest concern should be a botched procedure, and I would recommend to anyone contemplating major surgery to be sure he/she has enough money to cover the cost of a revision surgery, if needed. Also, cosmetic procedures aren't miracles. Even they can only do so much.

I don't think everyone has it in himself/herself to be considered good looking, but I do agree that everyone can be better looking. Just my opinion.

That Guy said:

Yes, it's not cheap; no, it's not easily accessible to everyone; no, it's not "natural", but it is what you can do. Everyone has it in them to be good looking if they really want it. I

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Agree with your post but I don't think everyone has it in them to be good looking. Everyone has it in them to improve their looks though within their power with things like braces/teeth whitening/physique/skin.

zircon said:

However, you need to qualitatively assess your experiences and consider how relevant they are to someone like Fred or Cocohot (NW5 in early 20s) or Exodus (NW6 at 20). Personally, I would never tell them to man up and make the best of their cards. I have accepted that I simply cannot fully appreciate the gravity of their situation.

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It's about what measure of control you have over your situation.Two of the posters who spin the most negativity are both in their mid 20s, NW3-3.5 with (crucially) no crown loss. All we talk about in this subforum is looks. The cure is hair and they both can get transplants for huge improvement if not a functional cure. Not even remotely the same situation as people with extensive diffuse loss in their teens like Fred or Exo, or the guy with alopecia universalis who doesn't make anywhere near as much noise. I'll reserve my sympathy for those with problems beyond their control rather than the guys bitching about recession, crooked teeth, skinny physique or pale skin.

Dench57 said:

Agree with your post but I don't think everyone has it in them to be good looking. Everyone has it in them to improve their looks though within their power with things like braces/teeth whitening/physique/skin.



It's about what measure of control you have over your situation.Two of the posters who spin the most negativity are both in their mid 20s, NW3-3.5 with (crucially) no crown loss. All we talk about in this subforum is looks. The cure is hair and they both can get transplants for huge improvement if not a functional cure. Not even remotely the same situation as people with extensive diffuse loss in their teens like Fred or Exo, or the guy with alopecia universalis who doesn't make anywhere near as much noise. I'll reserve my sympathy for those with problems beyond their control rather than the guys bitching about recession, crooked teeth, skinny physique or pale skin.

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> you aren't suffered enough, you're only NW3.5 from 17 years, see him and him are NW6 at 20 you have bdd blablabla

Yes it is so helpful that we have hair on the scalp (I have a vertex recession as well tho) but ANY f*****g WAY we need to buzzcut them with 0.00001 guard

My temples recession... I CAN PLACE ALMOST ENTIRE PALM from my eyebrows to end of bald spot on temples (and I do not have high forehead!). Whenever I try do a photo I have two bald spots which take half of photo itself. But yes I have hair on the scalp! Should I do a photo of my scalp as Tinder main picture?

> Hey you can do a hair transplant!

So it will take at least year to accomplish results (let alone how many guys in early 20 can afford hair transplant). Hairloss can progress a lot for a year as well and you are risking to get frontal area filled with hair and further as bald/recessed (nightmare!).

While you classmates buy cars and spending money on traveling/gf you're taking the second job to save money for hair transplant. B-b-but you have hair on your crown!

That Guy said:

It is 100% face, but body and personality can be deal breakers for some. I am aware of how weird that sentence sounds, given the %

Here's the thing: Future generations are likely to be privy to genetic engineering, something we obviously were not. So if you are naturally ugly, or at least not satisfied with your appearance and the effects it has on your life, you have to invest in making changes. A lot of people blame genetics and use it as an excuse to be lazy.

Terrible teeth? Go to the dentist. Shitty skin? Dermatologist will get you fixed right up. Horrible hair? Wash, condition it and get a pro-stylist to give you a good cut. Glasses? Get contacts or eye surgery. Fat? Well, you can haz cheezburger no longer; get out there and run, eat healthy and stay active. Did you really get fucked over with your face, nose, and ear shape? Plastic surgeons can fix that with a scalpel and a file. Short? Well, you're screwed, but it's 1000x better to be short and good looking than short and ugly.

I believe that every young person needs to experience (no sugar-coating it) how your appearance affects quality of life. From there, they need to make a decision about how much they are willing to prioritize it, both financially and mentally. If you're not willing to go very far, then don't b**ch about the outcome -- you get out of life what you put into it.

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Easier said than done, while you're saving 3000 to pay for braces the other person who has nice teeth by default is buying their first car, while you're saving 5000 for eye surgery that other person is already getting married, at the end you're less 15 000 or more for just correcting the very basics which have a direct impact in your daily life.

resu said:

Easier said than done, while you're saving 3000 to pay for braces the other person who has nice teeth by default is buying their first car, while you're saving 5000 for eye surgery that other person is already getting married, at the end you're less 15 000 or more for just correcting the very basics which have a direct impact in your daily life.

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You are only talking about money. Let us also talk aboUt TIME. How many hours has anyone of us spent in front of the mirror trying to figure out how to fix one's hair so that it could look not cool, but simply not horrible?

zircon said:

That's not really where this forum is at. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Impact section. You might be basing on it on just a handful of posters (Dante, C4L).

The Impact section exists and is active because a good portion of society more or less denies that hair loss has a negative impact on one's life quality. Those who openly care about their hair loss are ridiculed and derided for being vain. That is, unless they are women.

Most of the posts in the Impact section are about setting the record straight on what the effects of hair loss actually are. The great majority of the regulars here are pursuing most of their available options for treating their hair loss.

You seem to have hit a stride in your thirties and done well despite your IIRC NW3/4 hair loss. Good for you, so have I. However, you need to qualitatively assess your experiences and consider how relevant they are to someone like Fred or Cocohot (NW5 in early 20s) or Exodus (NW6 at 20). Personally, I would never tell them to man up and make the best of their cards. I have accepted that I simply cannot fully appreciate the gravity of their situation.

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This.

I thought about this several times, when it comes to this sub forum. Modern societies are in complete denial about the importance of aesthetics and the disadvantages that come with the lack of it.

This did not happen, for instance, in Greek and Roman times (one can read Catullus's poetry for instance: all of his poems are blatantly dedicated to people who supposedly owned beauty, the only thing that mattered to him), when the power of beauty was a recognized and accepted phenomenon.