Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[corn_scoops]

I think I may pussy out. I just looked and saw I have cone breast

 

[corn_scoops]

Cone breasts after 5 days of estrogen, yeah you're having hallucinations so you may be too much of a pussy to stay on estrogen

 

[Dhtchud69]

Why are you trying to convince yourself that estrogen is bad for hair and testosterone is good? That's a quick way to go bald

Testosterone is good for your hair if you don’t have sh*t genetics. It makes it thicker

 

[corn_scoops]

What sets my story apart from 99% of others is the fact that I realized I had Androgenetic Alopecia before I got to Norwood 1. Already at Norwood Zero, but with some hair thinning, I tried Finasteride, Duta and Bicalutamide. After spending a lot of time on this, unfortunately, I greatly deteriorated the quality of my hair and will never be able to get it back.
By the way, I’m thinking, when I return to HRT, I should try CPA? Can it have a positive effect on hair quality and speed up progress? Does it reduce oily skin? (yes, my skin retains some level of oiliness even on HRT if I don't use Bicalutamide).

Yea I went back to look at my keeps photos and I realized I wasn't even balding I just had a hight hairline lmao. I basically induced hairloss on myself.

 

[Ryuzaki hedeki]

This is nothing... I had Terrible male boobs since puberty before using any medication that's one of the reasons why I went on e2

 

[Dhtchud69]

Biggest cope ever. Show me one reputable article or study linking testosterone to increased hair thickness

Go ask ftms or look at their results, hell looks at teenage boys compared to girls. Testosterone darkens and thickens hair, but over time it will damage hair follicles if you’re susceptible to male pattern baldness.

 

[corn_scoops]

Biggest cope ever. Show me one reputable article or study linking testosterone to increased hair thickness

Ok but look at men and look at woman. Woman have thin brittle hair mostly. Even woman with volume look nothing like mens hair. That's why when you see MTF transformation you see their hair turn thin and stringy. I'm still sure DHT is the issue and how sensitive your follicles are too it. That's why even if we had an androgen degrader on the scalp it would change your hair quality.

 

[Dhtchud69]

sh*t you were right, he looks so young and his hair is so thick!

What part of “not susceptible to male pattern baldness” didn’t you understand? I’m not going to start spamming pics of ftms, but T is known to make hair texture curlier and denser.
Anyway it’s sh*t genetics not testosterone. My dad is still nw1 with some slight defuse thinning at 60 and my uncle is the same age and lifted and used gear all his life and is a thick nw2, meanwhile I had a worse hairline than my dad at 15

 

[Dhtchud69]

Can you both just stay on testosterone and go bald already since it's so great?

I will, T just doesn’t regrow hair. Once my hair is in a decent spot again I’m good, I’m barely taking any e as it is and improving

 

[Dhtchud69]

I wish you could understand that long, heat dried, flat ironed, dyed hair won't be as healthy and thick looking as the fresh 3cm long hair that grows out of a teenage boys scalp

I’m just sad my hair isn’t the same quality it was when I was younger. It’s not that deep

 

[Almas_NW0]

Losingbattle is a bald alcoholic that only ever took saw palmetto, pretends he got "irreversible side effects 13 years later" from it and attributes it to Finasteride and dutasteride, both medications that he has never actually taken. He admitted to me in dm he only took saw palmetto. lol.

He's a coward. He tried saw palmetto, got scared of the side effects, got drunk and decided to cope.

 

[exwhyyou]

He tried saw palmetto, got scared of the side effects, got drunk and decided to cope.

This is INSANE. Total throwback to my first days of realizing I'm balding af and ordering saw palmetto over fear of finasteride side effects. That didn't last very long.

 

[Almas_NW0]

This is INSANE. Total throwback to my first days of realizing I'm balding af and ordering saw palmetto over fear of finasteride side effects. That didn't last very long.

I once took 0.2mg Finasteride and was sure that I would not use HRT. But the worse the situation was, the harder I bargained. Ultimately, I was faced with the question, “Are there any side effects worse than hair loss?” The answer turned out to be obvious.

 

[MylovelyHair]

This is my hair, regimen is valid under gengar pick drugs i no longer use and never will CPA (topical and oral) and bica.If i have one advice that would have to be oral minoxidil above 10 mg is the sh*t.If i knew that OM will fix my hair iwould never have tried CPA and bicalutamide i hated everyday i took them.Oral minoxidil darkened my hair a few tonnes too i was blond now i am light brown which i dont like but still it is better than hair thinning.All the meds i used are legit from a pharmacy here in Athens and the minoxidil pills too.

 

[Dhtchud69]

This is my hair, regimen is valid under gengar pick drugs i no longer use and never will CPA (topical and oral) and bica.If i have one advice that would have to be oral minoxidil above 10 mg is the sh*t.If i knew that OM will fix my hair iwould never have tried CPA and bicalutamide i hated everyday i took them.Oral minoxidil darkened my hair a few tonnes too i was blond now i am light brown which i dont like but still it is better than hair thinning.All the meds i used are legit from a pharmacy here in Athens and the minoxidil pills too.

Than much om is insane

 

[monehair]

I once took 0.2mg Finasteride and was sure that I would not use HRT. But the worse the situation was, the harder I bargained. Ultimately, I was faced with the question, “Are there any side effects worse than hair loss?” The answer turned out to be obvious.

Smh. I know this is getting old and "real man" is kind of slur to you, but I just think that both you and 414 just get into this "genderless" state with your estrogen regimen. (Though 414 might be a troll for what we know.)

You lose basically all muscles that matter. How do you not get reverse gender dysphoria? There are just times in life when you need that masculine strength. Even running away from danger wouldn't work when your shaggy b*ttch**ks and t*ts are bouncing around whenever you make the slightest move.

I also think that looks don't matter so significantly after the first impression. Do you think you'd lose all friends if you got bald? If that's the case are they really your friends?

And then there is the drive, the edge. The ability to come up with stupid ideas. It would be a great loss in my personality. Men are indeed more creative and women are more artistic imo and that is greatly due to testosterone.

I wish estrogen didn't have these side effects. But they exist and the price for (maybe a better) hair would be too much. You can't have male identity AND take estrogen.

Maybe it will take me a couple more norwood stages to change my opinion. Hope that never comes.

 

[Almas_NW0]

Broscience + bald bold, unfounded statements. I'm too lazy to answer this, lol. But I will do it.

You lose basically all muscles that matter

I'm not a professional athlete, why should I care about muscle loss? Or do you think it will make you so weak that you won't be able to get out of bed? By the way, I didn't lose any muscle.

b*ttch**ks and t*ts

Surgery. Even without it I have no problems. You won't have big breasts. When I have the operation, I can forget about this forever.

I also think that looks don't matter

I've looked different throughout my life. This affects not only your relationships with people, but also your self-esteem. Judging by what you say, you have a lot of depression and disappointment ahead of you. Good luck.

And then there is the drive, the edge. The ability to come up with stupid ideas. It would be a great loss in my personality. Men are indeed more creative and women are more artistic imo and that is greatly due to testosterone.

Testosterone causes permanent changes in the brain while you are in the womb. I'm talking about prenatal testosterone. We have passed this stage + puberty, in our case estradiol is not capable of making you a completely different person.

You can't have male identity AND take estrogen.

I've been doing this for three years now. What do you say to this? Are you saying that I'm not a man? Okay, I don't give a damn.

Hope that never comes.

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[monehair]

I'm not a professional athlete, why should I care about muscle loss? Or do you think it will make you so weak that you won't be able to get out of bed? By the way, I didn't lose any muscle.

Not that. Even cycling uphill felt more exhausting on E. If I were to be attacked by a dog (which is not totally uncommon and I'm not envisioning an "end of world" scenario), then I'd be more f*cked. I'd be slower, weaker. Yes, you might say pepper spray, whatever.

Surgery. Even without it I have no problems. You won't have big breasts. When I have the operation, I can forget about this forever.

Every amount of breast is visible under a shirt. You will still regain some fat, even after mastectomy. You can't have yearly surgery, that's not sustainable.

I've looked different throughout my life. This affects not only your relationships with people, but also your self-esteem. Judging by what you say, you have a lot of depression and disappointment ahead of you. Good luck.

I wonder if I can base my self-esteem on the skills I have. People's compliment never feel sincere to me (this is one of my issues) so I am not sure what better looks would give me.

Testosterone causes permanent changes in the brain while you are in the womb. I'm talking about prenatal testosterone. We have passed this stage + puberty, in our case estradiol is not capable of making you a completely different person.

I can tell you that you become so "tamed" its brutal. I'd say that state on E feels calmer (what I experienced). If I remember correctly, Sapolsky wrote about this how testosterone polarizes. Not just prenatally.

I've been doing this for three years now. What do you say to this? Are you saying that I'm not a man? Okay, I don't give a damn.

You cannot fulfil the social role of a man, but you are not a woman. I don't mean this as an insult, its something I think you are also aware of. If you live in a very progressive and liberal country it might work out for you. I don't live in such a country and my values are different. If I chose E, I'd let go of the strength, drive and I'd become passive, feminine. That would be a disaster in terms of society (job, friends, family, relationship).

E also destroys my ability to get hard, I wouldn't be able to perform in bed. I don't buy that it keeps working for everyone. What woman would want such a person?

I never had any muscle to begin with.

Even those non-existant male muscles is like much stronger you can ever have on E.

I actually don't care about my gender and some people get confused and call me a girl but that's fine,

You must live in a very progressive area.

if they keep getting confused I'll just fully transition and everything will be easier.

You just admitted there is no "male on estrogen", because you get into an in-between phase no one really comprehends.

I can never be a real man due to my stunted bone development during puberty from an eating disorder anyway

Sorry to hear that. I guess that means you'd take E anyway regardless of hair?

 

[exwhyyou]

How do you not get reverse gender dysphoria?

There is literally nothing good about being a man if your body acts adversely to testosterone. The reason that there are so few guys in society that girls consider legitimately attractive is because testosterone, contrary to popular belief, makes people less attractive as time progresses. Also, most men end up getting bitchtits regardless of taking estrogen or not. Bitchtits + bald + testosterone face is so much incredibly worse than bitchtits + hair + estrogen face. Everything else from there is just how much effort you put in. It seems like most 'manly men' I deal with IRL are more jealous of my youthful look than anything.

Getting girls is a whole different world that has absolutely nothing to do with the testosterone vs estrogen issue. We really should stop discussing it entirely here for that reason (I know I have in the past but its completely irrelevant.)

 

[exwhyyou]

And then there is the drive, the edge. The ability to come up with stupid ideas. It would be a great loss in my personality. Men are indeed more creative and women are more artistic imo and that is greatly due to testosterone.

I feel like my personality is way more guy like now than in the few years prior to starting HRT (the gender dysphoria era). I was turning into a sensitive shy little b**ch who wanted to cry about everything. Now I'm back to my low inhibition vibes from high school goofing around and sh*t. I'm not a boring girly person.

Also creativity and being artistic are intrinsically linked so IDFK what you're even trying to get at here.