12 yr old shy boy bangs 14 yr old

[s.a.f]

I hardly think an absent father is the reason this girl wanted a child... Or that a grandmother being a young mother has much of an influence either..

Although that could be a nature vs nurture debate.

In my opinion it's typical sensationalized media. Every family has some dysfunction.

Although I was curious about the financial situation. Are they in a bad one now? Both families?

Also.. What were the facts about the parents knowledge. Do you mean they allowed it by not separating them? Or they bought them Al Green and gave them some alone time?

Although a new lesson. If you want to avoid teenage pregnancies.. simply teach kids to have a*** sex.

I'm not saying she was influenced by her parents or the lack of them I'm just saying that its not suprising to me that she has a less than perfect family background.

The kid was'nt wanted it was an accident they were just too young and stupid to consider the possibilities of what might happen.
Yes both the families are on welfare/benefits. The parents would let them sleep over in the same bed and knew that they were sexually active, the girl apparently has slept with 6 other boys in the past few years so there's a chance that the 13 yr old may not actually be the father.

 

[DoctorHouse]

I sure hope they ran a paternity test on the baby because when that boy was 12 I find it hard to believe he can help the girl conceive. The girl looks like she may have been "around the block" a few times. When I was kid, we had this girl who was totally hot and only 13 that had been with so many guys already. She made a play for me and I was so worried I would get her pregnant and be a dad at such a young age, I abstained from giving in. I think CCS probably had the same opportunity too but probably did what I did. Or maybe he was busy playing with his chemistry set instead.

 

[ali777]

I dont know where you guys are getting this theory that it was 'normal for 12 - 15 yr old kids to get married and have kids' comes from? Maybe in gypsy camps or somewhere but in civilised society this would have been unusual even 300+ years ago.
I cant believe that this baby can have a good upbringing in that enviroment.

"CIVILISED" is the key word here, that's why I specifically said in the rural areas to imply less "civilised" people. I'm not 100% sure but my grandmother might have been married at 15...

PS: why do you discriminate against Roma minorities :smack: ?

PS2: My grandmother wouldn't refer to my grandfather with his name... So old fashioned :dunno:

 

[optimus prime]

Ok saying ridiculous thing like the parents should be investigated is "Ridiculous"

Why? Their son is a father at 13 and their daughter was a mother at 13. Why is it ridiculous for social services to investigate it?

However this child could have a great upbringing, there is no absolute way to know how this will turn out. Thus It is not wrong, or right, yet.

Yes, he could have had a good upbringing. However, the circumstance where two children in the same family are parents at the age of 13 is not normal. So the family should be investigated to make sure they are doing a good job. That is what social services are there for.

Ali is correct. We cringe at this because of cultural taboos, it was perfectly normal for a girl to have children as early as 13 not so long ago

Yes and like I said to Ali, those were the days of child labour. It was a different world. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say to a kid, hey do adult things like have sex, but enjoy yourself like a kid and play playstation and the tax payers will support you, its ok.

But the current mold is, Get schooling for 18-22 years, start a career, Buy a house, Get married, start a family, Retire, Die. Rinse and repeat.

And are we really any better for it?

Yes. Standard of living for children has improved loads. Gone are the days of child labour for starters.

 

[ali777]

Ali is correct. We cringe at this because of cultural taboos, it was perfectly normal for a girl to have children as early as 13 not so long ago

Yes and like I said to Ali, those were the days of child labour. It was a different world. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say to a kid, hey do adult things like have sex, but enjoy yourself like a kid and play playstation and the tax payers will support you, its ok.

I don't know for most of you, but losing my virginity didn't stop me from being an immature teenager. However, it did stop me from feeling deprived. I don't see why kids can't be kids and sexually active at the same time. I'd rather have the sense of fulfillment that comes from having sex than feel deprived.

I agree with one of the previous comments that kids are becoming more sexualised these days, and I don't approve of sexualising the kids. There is a thin line between turning the kids into sexual beings and letting them find their own sexuality. I'm not a sociologist, I don't know where that line is drawn, but in places like Holland the education system works.

If the kids have protected sex, why is it wrong? Most of the European countries have very liberal laws when it comes to sex and age of consent, so the system doesn't disapprove of kids having sex but some of the taboos still remain.

 

[s.a.f]

"CIVILISED" is the key word here, that's why I specifically said in the rural areas to imply less "civilised" people. I'm not 100% sure but my grandmother might have been married at 15...

I doubt it the law requires that you are must be 16+ to get married and even then you need to have your parents written permission I'm pretty sure that law has been in place for a very long time.

And as for having children at a young age that was not the case either, since children back in previous centuries took longer to reach puberty than they do today, many girls would'nt have been able to concieve before the age of 15/16.

PS: why do you discriminate against Roma minorities :smack: ?

Where did I discriminate? I'm simply stating a fact that in their culture young marriges are more prominent compared to our society.

If the kids have protected sex, why is it wrong?

Err, is'nt it obvious? (this very case)

# Further details:
The boys father has fathered 9 children.
The girls family will be claiming over £30,000 in benefits, when she turns 16.

 

[ali777]

"CIVILISED" is the key word here, that's why I specifically said in the rural areas to imply less "civilised" people. I'm not 100% sure but my grandmother might have been married at 15...

I doubt it the law requires that you are must be 16+ to get married and even then you need to have your parents written permission I'm pretty sure that law has been in place for a very long time.

You are making the assumption that the whole world was like Britain in the last 300 years... In the past people would get married and not care about officially registering the marriage. So, the whole legality issue doesn't really apply.

I still think for most of the world, once a girl reached her puberty she was a marriage material. Boys/Men were probably more likely to wait till later but especially the girls would get married very early.

I do agree with you that us, "the civilised" :jackit: , are conditioned to not accept such young marriages. I'll say it again, kids should enjoy their childhood and marriage would ruin their chances of having fun and proper education.

And as for having children at a young age that was not the case either, since children back in previous centuries took longer to reach puberty than they do today, many girls would'nt have been able to concieve before the age of 15/16.

I have read articles supporting your claim, and supporting the opposite as well.

PS: why do you discriminate against Roma minorities :smack: ?

Where did I discriminate? I'm simply stating a fact that in their culture young marriges are more prominent compared to our society.

Just teasing you there :whistle: ... You are right though... I was trying to be more PC about it and I said in "poorer" countries... Which is still a western arrogance, because it implies the poorer countries are not civilised enough... this is a different subject.

If the kids have protected sex, why is it wrong?

Err, is'nt it obvious? (this very case)

# Further details:
The boys father has fathered 9 children.
The girls family will be claiming over £30,000 in benefits, when she turns 16.

You are still not answering my question. Optimus and you are saying that children shouldn't have sex because they aren't capable of looking after their kids. My question is: Why is it wrong for kids to have protected sex?

Why is it acceptable for a 12-15yo kid to :jackit: but sex isn't? Why is experimenting with self administered sex OK, but experimenting sex with a partner isn't?

Is it because being sexually active at a very early age increases the probability of male pattern baldness?

 

[s.a.f]

Is it because being sexually active at a very early age increases the probability of male pattern baldness?

Yes thats why it should be law.:mrgreen:

 

[Smooth]

Why is it acceptable for a 12-15yo kid to :jackit: but sex isn't? Why is experimenting with self administered sex OK, but experimenting sex with a partner isn't?

Some things are just wrong....i mean; why murdering is not acceptable in our society? im all in for killing and murdering, its only nature after all, the panther kills for living while certainly he can find propper vegetarian nutrition? why shouldnt i wake up tomarrow, find a random guy and kill him?! if that what makes me happy right?!, who are you to stop me?!....why shouldnt i rape? i mean if i have an urge why should i stop myself from going after my wants and needs?thats what makes me happy, why shouldnt a 45 years old man have sex with a 9 years old kid?? if its ok by both sided?! our society is so fucked up, hu Ali?! so manny ruels, so manny regulations!!!..damn us! lets break all barriers and do what we feel like doing!

 

[optimus prime]

You are still not answering my question. Optimus and you are saying that children shouldn't have sex because they aren't capable of looking after their kids. My question is: Why is it wrong for kids to have protected sex?

Because I think this world is becoming too greedy. People want people have. Discipline has not hurt anyone. Why can't they wait until they are 16 or 18? Maybe they lack self respect.

If they wait until they are more mature will it hurt them? No. If they have sex young they can become parents of children they cannot support (Even if they use protection). They are more likely to repeat having sex and not use protection (Increase in sexual diseases). They might end up regretting it, especially because they are young and not fully developed physically or mentally.

When they are adults (16/18+) they can make their own choice.

My question to you is, if you had a 12 year old daughter, would you let young boys f*** her?

 

[ali777]

Some things are just wrong....i mean; why murdering is not acceptable in our society? im all in for killing and murdering, its only nature after all, the panther kills for living while certainly he can find propper vegetarian nutrition? why shouldnt i wake up tomarrow, find a random guy and kill him?! if that what makes me happy right?!, who are you to stop me?!....why shouldnt i rape? i mean if i have an urge why should i stop myself from going after my wants and needs?thats what makes me happy, why shouldnt a 45 years old man have sex with a 9 years old kid?? if its ok by both sided?! our society is so f***ed up, hu Ali?! so manny ruels, so manny regulations!!!..damn us! lets break all barriers and do what we feel like doing!

proof through analogy??? it doesn't work because it's not applicable. People don't kill each other every day, rapes don't occur everyday, but kids have sex with each other very often.

So, why make it a taboo? It happens regardless of your approval.

I do not condone old man abusing young girls, or young kids turning into child bearing machines. I'm strictly talking about recreational sex between consenting kids.... Age of consent is set between 12 and 18 in Europe, but mostly it's in the 14-16 range. What if a kid wants to have sex 1 day before his/her 14th bd? If biologically he/she is ready to do it, why is that so wrong?

Besides, the age of consent is there to mainly protect the kids from perverted adults and not from each other.

 

[Smooth]

it doesn't work because it's not applicable.

Exactly!

People don't kill each other every day, rapes don't occur everyday

ho ho ho.... wanna put your money where your mouth is?! ... should i upload some charts?
Actually im whilling to bet my *** that more poeple murdering and raping eachother every day then 12 years olds concieve a child... (that is in a normal society and not the Zuloo tribe in south Efrica, although the murder and killing rate there is insanely high too due to some tribes who has zero value for human life... but i digress)

 

[ali777]

My question to you is, if you had a 12 year old daughter, would you let young boys f*ck her?

I am conditioned to think that 12 is too young, and I wouldn't approve of it. But at 14-15, I will probably accept it. (I wanted to do it when I was 14, so there is no need to be a hypocrite about it)

What if she blossoms too quickly, let's say at 12? Then, she starts messing about... How do you stop it? Is it not best to have "the chat" and tell them what is what and be at peace that even if they do end up having sex at least they are using protection?

When I was 12, there were some girls in my class that blossomed too quickly and they started messing about. I don't know how many of them were actually involved in a sexual relationship so early on, but at least one of them was going out with boys... If my hypothetical daughter is like her, then I'd try to make sure that she knows that her education, etc comes first and that she knows her responsibilities....

PS: I'd make sure she doesn't have any father issues, and she's not having sex for male approval :woot:

 

[CCS]

When I was 5 years old my friend next door's older sister, who I think was 9, had my older brother and I kiss her on the lips. I was not even interested in her. I had a crush on the girl who lived in the house on the other side of our house. She was not bad looking, probably actually above average looking. But you know how young boys can have high standards. We both kissed her, but not for sexual reasons. I actually found her saliva to be a turn off.

I agree. They need a paternity test. If they try to strap him with child support later, he should sue, and say he was under age and did not understand his rights at the time. He has to sue soon after turning 18 though.

 

[Cassin]

Because I think this world is becoming too greedy.

When has it not been?

 

[DoctorHouse]

Just think, if history repeats itself, this 13 year old will be a grandfather at 26. :shakehead:

 

[optimus prime]

When has it not been?

Well I guess that depends. The world my grandparents lived in was completely different. They lived off 2 pieces of bacon and 2 eggs a week. If they were lucky. Living during a World War is enough to make anyone humble.

I suppose when I say world I mean UK. I went travelling and I saw children having to go to work to support their families just so they can all eat.

I don't know about you guys in the US, but people here in the UK have so much and if they can't wait a few years to have sex then there is something wrong with this society.

I am conditioned to think that 12 is too young, and I wouldn't approve of it. But at 14-15, I will probably accept it.

I would say to my kid what my parents said to me.

You can do what you want under your own roof, but under my roof your respect my rules.

We all did respect the rules. My parents gave us so much. Simple as that. I lost my virginity at 18 when I was at Uni living in my own house, washing my own clothes, cooking my own meals, etc...

 

[ali777]

I am conditioned to think that 12 is too young, and I wouldn't approve of it. But at 14-15, I will probably accept it.

I would say to my kid what my parents said to me.

You can do what you want under your own roof, but under my roof your respect my rules.

We all did respect the rules. My parents gave us so much. Simple as that. I lost my virginity at 18 when I was at Uni living in my own house, washing my own clothes, cooking my own meals, etc...

You Brits are so cold sometimes.... You can't wait until your kids are 18, so that you could wash your hands off of your kids. I don't really like that. My housemates don't even visit their parents because the parents "can't accommodate". Don't they have a spare sofa for the weekend?

Cutting the cord shouldn't mean literally getting rid off the kids, it should mean letting the kids be independent.

When has it not been?

Well I guess that depends. The world my grandparents lived in was completely different. They lived off 2 pieces of bacon and 2 eggs a week. If they were lucky. Living during a World War is enough to make anyone humble.

I suppose when I say world I mean UK. I went travelling and I saw children having to go to work to support their families just so they can all eat.

I don't know about you guys in the US, but people here in the UK have so much and if they can't wait a few years to have sex then there is something wrong with this society.

It is true that we are spoilt. Despite the credit crunch and stuff, material wise we've never had it better. But that doesn't mean we are happier. We are under constant stress to work and succeed. In the olden days our grandparents lead "Simple Life", and they knew how to appreciate small things in life. My gran thinks we are stupid for wasting so much money on material things, she keeps telling us we should save our money :dunno:

You are right that sex is too easy in our society (this sentence comes from a guy that had sex only once in the last 12 months :sobbing: ), but the thing is, if it is available why not use it? Why a certain person can have recreational sex, but the next person can't?

Basically, you are saying, even if you had the chance to have sex before you were 18, you would have turned it down because your parents told you so? I think the majority of boys under 18 wouldn't say no to easy sex....

 

[tembo]

A number of possible fathers:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/17 ... ve-it.html

 

[DoctorHouse]

Tempo, I honestly never read what you posted when I made my post today. I can't believe I was right when I said that girl had been "around the block" and a paternity test was needed. I am kind of shocked there was no paternity test so far. The 16 year old boy makes more sense to be the dad since he definitely shows signs of puberty. I took one look at the girl and she reminded me of this girl who was only 13 years old and serviced practically everyone she met. She was much hotter looking than this girl.