Aderans... Possibly some promising news?

[somone uk]

Does anyone know what exactly hair multiplication is ?
From what i understand the results of a procedure (if it ever comes out) will double your donor hair.

some procedures like histogen the hair is androgen sensitive (will come out) and with some like adreans it's not androgen sensitive so it won't come out

 

[sadscalp]

Does anyone know what exactly hair multiplication is ?
From what i understand the results of a procedure (if it ever comes out) will double your donor hair.

HM = they extract a few follicles from the back of your head, multiply them in labs, and then inject them (I think) back into the area which is to be treated. As somoneuk said, these hairs will then naturally not be androgen sensitive, since they were extracted from an area where the hairs are immune. This is what Aderans and TrichoScience are trying to do.

Histogen are making their own complex, which is called HSC (Hair Stimulating Complex). They inject this crap in the area which is to be treated, and according to their pre-trial results both completely new hairs and old ones start growing.

The latter will probably be a cheaper procedure (providing of course that both of them actually make it to market, which is a big if).

 

[Vox]

Does anyone know what exactly hair multiplication is ?
From what i understand the results of a procedure (if it ever comes out) will double your donor hair.

HM = they extract a few follicles from the back of your head, multiply them in labs, and then inject them (I think) back into the area which is to be treated. As somoneuk said, these hairs will then naturally not be androgen sensitive, since they were extracted from an area where the hairs are immune. This is what Aderans and TrichoScience are trying to do.

Histogen are making their own complex, which is called HSC (Hair Stimulating Complex). They inject this crap in the area which is to be treated, and according to their pre-trial results both completely new hairs and old ones start growing.

The latter will probably be a cheaper procedure (providing of course that both of them actually make it to market, which is a big if).

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

 

[somone uk]

HM = they extract a few follicles from the back of your head, multiply them in labs, and then inject them (I think) back into the area which is to be treated. As somoneuk said, these hairs will then naturally not be androgen sensitive, since they were extracted from an area where the hairs are immune. This is what Aderans and TrichoScience are trying to do.

Histogen are making their own complex, which is called HSC (Hair Stimulating Complex). They inject this crap in the area which is to be treated, and according to their pre-trial results both completely new hairs and old ones start growing.

The latter will probably be a cheaper procedure (providing of course that both of them actually make it to market, which is a big if).

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

i remember reading that TRC worked in the trial but not very well and nowhere near as well as the in vitro results

 

[sadscalp]

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

Well, I know that this is what TrichoScience are trying to do, not sure about Aderans though.

About 10-20 healthy hair follicles are extracted from the back of a patient’s scalp. Certain cells from these follicles are then isolated and replicated in a laboratory through the TrichoScience proprietary hair cell replication procedure. The replicated cells are then injected back into the patient’s bald scalp. Laboratory models have shown that when these types of cells are injected back into the skin; they rejuvenate damaged hair follicles and induce the formation of new hair follicles.

 

[Vox]

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

Well, I know that this is what TrichoScience are trying to do, not sure about Aderans though.

About 10-20 healthy hair follicles are extracted from the back of a patient’s scalp. Certain cells from these follicles are then isolated and replicated in a laboratory through the TrichoScience proprietary hair cell replication procedure. The replicated cells are then injected back into the patient’s bald scalp. Laboratory models have shown that when these types of cells are injected back into the skin; they rejuvenate damaged hair follicles and induce the formation of new hair follicles.

Not sure if I read correctly what you write. I was expecting more something like full grown hair resulting from replication to be surgically implanted, rather than cells that will be injected. And what does it means "injected" here?

Also, how the growth direction of the hair produced by new cells could be put under control? And what about cancers? Cells capable to induce the formation of new hair follicles have, in theory at least, the potential to give you a cancer.

 

[sadscalp]

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

Well, I know that this is what TrichoScience are trying to do, not sure about Aderans though.

About 10-20 healthy hair follicles are extracted from the back of a patient’s scalp. Certain cells from these follicles are then isolated and replicated in a laboratory through the TrichoScience proprietary hair cell replication procedure. The replicated cells are then injected back into the patient’s bald scalp. Laboratory models have shown that when these types of cells are injected back into the skin; they rejuvenate damaged hair follicles and induce the formation of new hair follicles.

Not sure if I read correctly what you write. I was expecting more something like full grown hair resulting from replication to be surgically implanted, rather than cells that will be injected. And what does it means "injected" here?

Also, how the growth direction of the hair produced by new cells could be put under control? And what about cancers? Cells capable to induce the formation of new hair follicles have, in theory at least, the potential to give you a cancer.

I take it injected means a needle.

Regarding the growth direction, I don't think that's a problem. These cells know in what direction they're supposed to grow, just like new hairs in babies know in what direction they're supposed to grow.

I seem to remember reading something regarding the cancer issue (I think it was Histogen), and if I remember correctly they weren't really worried about that. I don't remember why.

 

[teenhandmodel]

I thought that, initially at least, they would create and multiply hair that could be surgically implanted, like we do today with FUT and FUE with a much more limited "raw material" from the donor area. This obviously solves the problem of hair availability and of the direction in which the new hair will grow.

But are they at the point to actually produce and multiply hair ready for implantation?

I dont think anyone really knows what point they are at. I just hope to god it works cause like someone uk said they are probably our best chance.

 

[Vox]

I dont think anyone really knows what point they are at. I just hope to god it works cause like someone uk said they are probably our best chance.

You speak generally or talk about one of the companies we can find in this discussion?

 

[teenhandmodel]

I was talking about aderans. They are already well into phase two trials, leaps and bounds ahead of any other companies. Be that as it may, theres still a good chance they will fail.

 

[Vanzzzz]

Just some updates I found on another forum.

http://hairestorationetwork.com/eve/1 ... -ii-4.html

Hopefully Aderans will come out with it in 2014. Along with Histogen in 2013 (Asia). Then I can finally breathe a sigh of relief in my battle against hair loss.

+62% Total hair count
+79% Terminal hair count
+50% Vellus hair count

Histogen will have some stiff competition.


Edit to switch link to other forum lol.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

your link is not working...

 

[andrei_eremenko]

now i've seen that...this is the good link
http://www.aderans.co.jp/hd/english/ir/ ... out_e2.pdf

looks like the time line is 2014...sounds good the future...histogen and aderans will bring your hair back!

 

[Boondock]

I'm still freaked by the fact that Aderans are working with Bosley.

It'd be like a revolutionary cancer treatment being touted by Marlboro.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

so what if they are working with those guys...it looks like HM will not be like a regular hair transplant just injections with cells...I recently read some reviews of some user on other forums...and they are agree that aderan's time like could be a reality but they are thinking that this will add more density to existing hair and at donor hair...some of them are thinking that it would be impossible to refill a bald scalp with hair ...are they right? as far as I know...HM will be able to give you unlimited hair number and in this way you'll have back a full head of hair...

 

[Vanzzzz]

I'm still freaked by the fact that Aderans are working with Bosley.

It'd be like a revolutionary cancer treatment being touted by Marlboro.

If you look at the other pdf, you will realise that their strategy is to use Aderans to capture the market share not currently taken by Bosley. Besides, Aderans treatment does not seem to require a hair transplant anyway.

 

[Boondock]

I'm still freaked by the fact that Aderans are working with Bosley.

It'd be like a revolutionary cancer treatment being touted by Marlboro.

If you look at the other pdf, you will realise that their strategy is to use Aderans to capture the market share not currently taken by Bosley. Besides, Aderans treatment does not seem to require a hair transplant anyway.

The trouble is not that Bosely offer hair transplants, but that they do so in such a disreputable and dishonest way. Scores of men have been left disfigured from Bosley's 'treatment'. There have been suicides.

Anything with their name attached just immediately makes me wary.

 

[teenhandmodel]

2014..wow i hope so. Maybe it will happen who knows ? At least their timeline is a lot more realistic than histogens. I would be a very happy man if i no longer had to worry about this sh*t in four years. We will have to wait until they finish phase II to know whats really going on with this.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

they will finish the phase 2 in 2012...In my opinion looking at the pictures of both aderans and histogen...I ll put my trust in histogen...looking at those pic histogen has really made some progress ...growing a lot of hair and thickening the existing...in stead of aderans which have grow some sparse hair...just my opinion...

 

[BitchBoy]

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