After The Recent Events Anybody Else Depressed ?

[kiwipilu]

I wonder if Choi or any of these other guys understand how big an impact this has on people's lives especially young 20-somethings. Like does anybody care or is it nbd because we're ugly and bald

Like when these guys decide to go back to trials over and over and over for a decade or more do they get what that means for us

it's just frustrating to see how many years it takes to trial a drug (fda). meanwhile some drugs have "fast track " "accelerated approval" for some serious conditions and I find this completely normal! but that also means trials for male pattern baldness could go faster *sigh*...
that said, from our point of view male pattern baldness is a serious condition...

 

[nohairnolife]

from our point of view male pattern baldness is a serious condition...

The only people who think it isn't a serious condition are people who aren't cognizant of how it changes the way people look at you.

They say "Oh, it's fine. Nothing's wrong with you." but really you aren't looked at the same way as a normal person. I had several girlfriends when I was in high school but after I lost my hair, I'll let you guess.

 

[weepysad]

@OP:

I know it is easier said than done, but I'm going to go ahead with my little speech anyway. Depression, stress or whatever you want to call it is between our two ears. So, our biggest enemy is not balding (which we can do little about), but the way we perceive it (which is entirely up to us). Sounds cliché, but that's exactly how it is.

I have been registered on this forum for already 8 years. I started balding probably when I was 18, noticed it when I was 20, stopped denying and started the "treatment" and joined this website when I was 21. So, I have a pretty long track record of balding. Does it make me happy? No. Does it stop me from living? No! I was devasted back when I joined this website, but I have moved on. Life goes on whether we want it or not. So, my word of advice to you: don't dwell on what you can can't change and enjoy what you have right now and here, your precious life.

My life changed after I got busy. After joining this forum, I got two degrees, travelled all the continents and numerous countries, and found a beautiful girl who doesn't mind that I am balding. You need to stay busy with other things in life to be happy. Balding will not stop you from doing anything, unless your ambition is to be a model for Head & Shoulders. I am a pretty ugly bastard with a McDonald's hairline and a weak chin, but I have a 10-star girlfriend. I have a good life, because I appreciate it. I have good relations, because I don't let my flaws drag me down. Find your passions mate and don't spend your days on HairLossTalk.com. Do come check in every now and then to see if anything has changed, but don't make it your obsession.

Right now, the best we can do is to just hope (non-obsessively) that there will be something out there soon enough. So far, the magical cure has always been 5 years away from now, but we all know that one of these days this 5 years will really arrive. Meanwhile, live your life, buddy. It is quite precious to be alive and healthy.

 

[SheddieMurphy]

it's just frustrating to see how many years it takes to trial a drug (fda). meanwhile some drugs have "fast track " "accelerated approval" for some serious conditions and I find this completely normal! but that also means trials for male pattern baldness could go faster *sigh*...
that said, from our point of view male pattern baldness is a serious condition...

yeah but who is stopping follica, for example, from actually starting a trial? its not FDA's fault that they are inventing bs excuses because their treatment is a joke

all those other treatments which progress rapidly do so, well, because they obviously work and are ready for general use

 

[hanginginthewire]

yeah but who is stopping follica, for example, from actually starting a trial? its not FDA's fault that they are inventing bs excuses because their treatment is a joke

all those other treatments which progress rapidly do so, well, because they obviously work and are ready for general use

Which treatments are those?

 

[SheddieMurphy]

Which treatments are those?

i mean medical treatments generally. obviously hair loss treatments are out of the picture when we talk about working ones

 

[Duduu]

yeah but who is stopping follica, for example, from actually starting a trial? its not FDA's fault that they are inventing bs excuses because their treatment is a joke

all those other treatments which progress rapidly do so, well, because they obviously work and are ready for general use

hey man, what about you and I making the official thread for the derma 2018 where our master will appear ?

I.have english limitations so Id like to have the help of someone else and I was wondering you could be the one.

I'm going to be off for now. We can talk later.

Thank you

 

[SheddieMurphy]

hey man, what about you and I making the official thread for the derma 2018 where our master will appear ?

I.have english limitations so Id like to have the help of someone else and I was wondering you could be the one.

I'm going to be off for now. We can talk later.

Thank you

I can help, but i can barely string 3 meaningful sentences about the science behind hairloss together, lol.

my confidence that Choi will be crowned as Androgenetic Alopecia King in 4 months stems from optimistic reddit posts about his work, despair about my hairline and the fact that he has a likeable face.

 

[INT]

I dont care deal with it f*****

Hmm yeah I wonder why no one calls you for your birthday...


Don't take this the wrong way but I have seen your posts for quite a while now and if you maintain this attitude towards others and life in general you will not have a very nice life. You are still young however. I hope you will get it eventually.

 

[That Guy]

If by recent events you mean the failure of a lotion that was a pretty big gamble to begin with,

then no.

 

[fuDHTck]

its not going to take 10 years. It probably wont take even 5 min.

His method of total reverse of hairloss deals with a very specific protein that seems to regulates hair growth, and because it has a very specific fuction, it wont mess up anything else, meaning it has no sides.

His discovery happened 2013 to be more accurate, he and his team have been making great progress and there are a lot less regulations in Korea to put his treatment on the market.

Im convinced it definetly wont take that much time and it has huge potential to be the most efficient treatment ever.

Btw, he will be presenting his discovery to the world in person for the first time ever in Agust at the most important derma event in Asian/pacific world.

I wish this was true but:

1) They just started doing PRE-clinical trials on animals and humans about toxicity.
2) As far as we know there isn't even a company interested or that purchased the rights to develop the drug
3) Even if there is one then they need to go through Phase I, II and III which is NOT gonna take less than at least 7/10 years. Just look at Breezula or Polichem finasteride. Both are not anything new and they are still not out even if they started trials and research in the 2010-2012 timeframe.
4) Most drugs fail clinical trials sadly, so no guarantee here.
5) Having said that I hope it works but even if it doesn't, it adds knowledge which eventually will result in a cure\treatment.

 

[SheddieMurphy]

I wish this was true but:

1) They just started doing PRE-clinical trials on animals and humans about toxicity.
2) As far as we know there isn't even a company interested or that purchased the rights to develop the drug
3) Even if there is one then they need to go through Phase I, II and III which is NOT gonna take less than at least 7/10 years. Just look at Breezula or Polichem finasteride. Both are not anything new and they are still not out even if they started trials and research in the 2010-2012 timeframe.
4) Most drugs fail clinical trials sadly, so no guarantee here.
5) Having said that I hope it works but even if it doesn't, it adds knowledge which eventually will result in a cure\treatment.

I wish there was a "f*****g kill me" button next to Like and Dislike

 

[Duduu]

I can help, but i can barely string 3 meaningful sentences about the science behind hairloss together, lol.

my confidence that Choi will be crowned as Androgenetic Alopecia King in 4 months stems from optimistic reddit posts about his work, despair about my hairline and the fact that he has a likeable face.

it just seems to me that he found the key element to reverse male pattern baldness, he made bold comments according to what has been reported. He said he found the protein that basically regulates hair growth. Thats amazing if true and we should all get very excited about it.

He also seems to have a huge reputation in the scientific comunity.

He never had anything to do with hair. Out of sudden he's part of the biggest dermathology event on the other side of the world and I'd bet he is the big star there and the most awaited speech.

 

[SheddieMurphy]

it just seems to me that he found the key element to reverse male pattern baldness, he made bold comments according to what has been reported. He said he found the protein that basically regulates hair growth. Thats amazing if true and we should all get very excited about it.

He also seems to have a huge reputation in the scientific comunity.

He never had anything to do with hair. Out of sudden he's part of the biggest dermathology event on the other side of the world and I'd bet he is the big star there and the most awaited speech.

seriously now, yeah, I agree. the objection of me being practically illiterate when it comes to trichology or biochemistry remains, but his study, methodology and conclusions he derived from it really sound pretty straightforward and all-encompassing. he practically unveiled next level approximation of our understanding of underlying causes of hairloss. at one point our knowledge will become sufficient to create actually effective chemical to treat it, and hopefully that point is now.

its pathetic that we still have to save our hair by nuking our hormones. its like planting bombs in your house to prevent someone from breaking in, when you can just lock the door.

 

[Duduu]

seriously now, yeah, I agree. the objection of me being practically illiterate when it comes to trichology or biochemistry remains, but his study, methodology and conclusions he derived from it really sound pretty straightforward and all-encompassing. he practically unveiled next level approximation in our understanding of underlying causes of hairloss. at one point our knowledge will become sufficient to create actually effective chemical to treat it, and hopefully that point is now.

its pathetic that we still have to save our hair by nuking our hormones. its like planting bombs in your house to prevent someone from breaking in, when you can just lock the door.

you summed up everything, mate.

Fantastic post!

I have this feeling as well that our master targeted the exact thing that deregulates the normal process of hair growth without having to.touch dht wich is definetly involved but it might not be the major factor. Its like theres a whole mysterious sequence of cause and consequence wich leads to that protein (and not dht) that could be the ultimate factor that blocks the normal process of hair growth.

So theres no hormones involved and therefore its very unlikely that it will have any sides, wich means it can come to market way sonner than most expect.

 

[Marco445]

you summed up everything, mate.

Fantastic post!

I have this feeling as well that our master targeted the exact thing that deregulates the normal process of hair growth without having to.touch dht wich is definetly involved but it might not be the major factor. Its like theres a whole mysterious sequence of cause and consequence wich leads to that protein (and not dht) that could be the ultimate factor that blocks the normal process of hair growth.

So theres no hormones involved and therefore its very unlikely that it will have any sides, wich means it can come to market way sonner than most expect.

Can you link some information about Choi?

 

[Duduu]

Can you link some information about Choi?

You mean his discovery or his background and career ?

 

[allthegains]

My friend says balding is worse than cancer. They are both equally mentally debilitating, but for one you receive endless sympathy and for another you are silently ostracized.

I tend to agree.

 

[SheddieMurphy]

My friend says balding is worse than cancer. They are both equally mentally debilitating, but for one you receive endless sympathy and for another you are silently ostracized.

I tend to agree.

plus you can actually cure some types of cancer

 

[allthegains]

plus you can actually cure some types of cancer

yeah meant to add that as well