Aging

[Agustin Araujo]

What about someone like myself who's balding and graying in the early twenty's? Then I guess I'm already getting super old according to those who compare hair loss and graying with age, when it's actually all genetic.

 

[DoctorHouse]

What about someone like myself who's balding and graying in the early twenty's? Then I guess I'm already getting/looking super old according to those who compare hair loss and graying with age, when it's actually all genetic.

I admire you so much. You are hispanic and you have two traits I see very rare in my area with hispanics. Most don't go gray until 50's or 60's and around that same age bracket have a NW1 or NW2. I would be a psychological mess if I were in your shoes. And yet, you are such a great poster and stay positive as much as possible. If it would have happened to me, I would already be dying my hair and looking into a hair transplant. I would probably too afraid to take dutasteride but definitely take finasteride and use multiple topicals. And would wear a hat as much as I can and be a total loner and introvert.

 

[GoldenMane]

I'm doing pretty good. No real lines to speak of, slight dark circles under eye but nothing major at 29, pretty good skin. Sometimes when I furrow my brow, some lines persist for a few minutes now, but not a big deal. I've never been one to sunbathe though, or seek out the sun in general, quite the opposite. I do smoke and drink, but neither to excess. It's certainly not genes, I have those ****ty Irish genes, lots of people my age are VERY wrinkly/have loads of lines in my hometown. I've seen girls in their mid 20s in my home town who look like ****, like they're in their 50s!. Bear in mind my home town is an economically depressed chav infested ****hole, British folks can imagine their lifestyle,.

How well you age can depend a lot on lifestyle, and on economic demographics. I'd imagine people from well off backgrounds to better than lower socio economic classes.

Hair loss and graying is genetics . But skin is different. Lifestyle, sun exposure, diet, sleep, water, smoking, even facial expressions make a huge difference.

 

[Agustin Araujo]

I admire you so much. You are hispanic and you have two traits I see very rare in my area with hispanics. Most don't go gray until 50's or 60's and around that same age bracket have a NW1 or NW2. I would be a psychological mess if I were in your shoes. And yet, you are such a great poster and stay positive as much as possible. If it would have happened to me, I would already be dying my hair and looking into a hair transplant. I would probably too afraid to take dutasteride but definitely take finasteride and use multiple topicals. And would wear a hat as much as I can and be a total loner and introvert.

Thanks DoctorHouse, that means a lot to me.

Yes, I am Hispanic, with my family being from Venezuela, and I also have Spaniard blood in me. I'm Hispanic with the 'olive' skin color where I'm fairly pale with no sun exposure, though get really dark with proper sun tanning. I'm not completely Hispanic like those from Central America for example where they keep jet black hair and Norwood 1 hair until they're like in their sixty's.

I will admit that balding and graying so young has definitely given me psychological distress. I have a sister who's three years older than me and does have thick jet-black hair. My Mother is in her late forty's with all her thick hair as well, though all of it has gone completely gray and colors it. My Father is in his late fifty's, though has been balding for a while but his male pattern baldness started absolutely nowhere at a young age like myself (I started balding at 16 years of age). All my cousins from both sides of my family who are around my age have all their hair, non of them are balding nor graying either.

Hair loss is one of those things that will put you down every single chance it has. I have never met nor don't know anyone my age who's going through the same thing as I am. I do feel a bit lonely sometimes in the situation that I'm in since I don't have anyone to talk to about nor relate to it in real life.

I take 0.5 mg of Dutasteride everyday, use 5% Minoxidil twice daily, use a 10% solution of RU58841 every day, and use a 1% Ketoconazole shampoo daily; yet I'm still losing hair. My male pattern baldness is just too aggressive, there's over an 85% chance I'll end up bald before I'm 30 even with the regimen I'm on. And along with that as I mentioned, my hair is graying, and not only is it graying, but it's starting to gray fast. I just don't want to put up with coloring my hair either, and I already spend nearly $200 a month on treatments. I sometimes question if it's even worth continuing the regimen that I'm on since my hair is just deteriorating so badly, especially that I also suffer from retrograde alopecia, which is thinning behind the ears and nape, along with the thinning in a Norwood 6 pattern. A hair transplant isn't even an option for me either since my donor hair has been affected by DHT to some certain extent. My hair is starting to become unmanageable, and there's nothing I can do about it. I just have to live my life with how bad my hair is getting, but oh well. I'm trying my best on what I can do, and if people don't like me because I'm balding and graying so young, then that's their problem.

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One of the things that I'm most glad about is that there are support forums for hair related problems, where we can all relate with one another, like this place for example. That itself helps me to stay positive, and encourages me to help members who come on here in need of help.

Thank you everyone. :heart:

 

[DoctorHouse]

Thanks DoctorHouse, that means a lot to me.

Yes, I am Hispanic, with my family being from Venezuela, and I also have Spaniard blood in me. I'm Hispanic with the 'olive' skin color where I'm fairly pale with no sun exposure, though get really dark with proper sun tanning. I'm not completely Hispanic like those from Central America for example where they keep jet black hair and Norwood 1 hair until they're like in their sixty's.

I will admit that balding and graying so young has definitely given me psychological distress. I have a sister who's three years older than me and does have thick jet-black hair. My Mother is in her late forty's with all her thick hair as well, though all of it has gone completely gray and colors it. My Father is in his late fifty's, though has been balding for a while but his male pattern baldness started absolutely nowhere at a young age like myself (I started balding at 16 years of age). All my cousins from both sides of my family who are around my age have all their hair, non of them are balding nor graying either.

Hair loss is one of those things that will put you down every single chance it has. I have never met nor don't know anyone my age who's going through the same thing as I am. I do feel a bit lonely sometimes in the situation that I'm in since I don't have anyone to talk to about nor relate to it in real life.

I take 0.5 mg of Dutasteride everyday, use 5% Minoxidil twice daily, use a 10% solution of RU58841 every day, and use a 1% Ketoconazole shampoo daily; yet I'm still losing hair. My male pattern baldness is just too aggressive, there's over an 85% chance I'll end up bald before I'm 30 even with the regimen I'm on. And along with that as I mentioned, my hair is graying, and not only is it graying, but it's starting to gray fast. I just don't want to put up with coloring my hair either, and I already spend nearly $200 a month on treatments. I sometimes question if it's even worth continuing the regimen that I'm on since my hair is just deteriorating so badly, especially that I also suffer from retrograde alopecia, which is thinning behind the ears and nape, along with the thinning in a Norwood 6 pattern. A hair transplant isn't even an option for me either since my donor hair has been affected by DHT to some certain extent. My hair is starting to become unmanageable, and there's nothing I can do about it. I just have to live my life with how bad my hair is getting, but oh well. I'm trying my best on what I can do, and if people don't like me because I'm balding and graying so young, then that's their problem.

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One of the things that I'm most glad about is that there are support forums for hair related problems, where we can all relate with one another, like this place for example. That itself helps me to stay positive, and encourages me to help members who come on here in need of help.

Thank you everyone. :heart:

I think its best to keep doing what you doing as if you quit now, I think you might regret it. It is very possible you could be shedding heavily now and its going to look worse before it gets better. You know murat on the other forum had recovered from a huge amount of loss so it is possible for you too.

If people don't like you because you are balding or graying its because they really are facing something that could happen to them. It is actually WHAT is happening to you that they don't like about you. Its sets off fear in them that they could be in the same situation if they are not and that fear is going to either drive them to make fun of you or its going to drive them away from you. And those who are empathetic will give you as much support as they can and be there when you need them. And those are going to be your "friends". And it is true, when you "pay it forward" the reward is always positive.

 

[Wolf Pack]

I admire you so much. You are hispanic and you have two traits I see very rare in my area with hispanics. Most don't go gray until 50's or 60's and around that same age bracket have a NW1 or NW2. I would be a psychological mess if I were in your shoes. And yet, you are such a great poster and stay positive as much as possible. If it would have happened to me, I would already be dying my hair and looking into a hair transplant. I would probably too afraid to take dutasteride but definitely take finasteride and use multiple topicals. And would wear a hat as much as I can and be a total loner and introvert.

Agustin is one of the best posters on here and just how he handles adversity. I always tell him "I hope you stay for a long time" :hump:

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I take 0.5 mg of Dutasteride everyday, use 5% Minoxidil twice daily, use a 10% solution of RU58841 every day, and use a 1% Ketoconazole shampoo daily; yet I'm still losing hair. My male pattern baldness is just too aggressive, there's over an 85% chance I'll end up bald before I'm 30 even with the regimen I'm on. And along with that as I mentioned, my hair is graying, and not only is it graying, but it's starting to gray fast. I just don't want to put up with coloring my hair either, and I already spend nearly $200 a month on treatments. I sometimes question if it's even worth continuing the regimen that I'm on since my hair is just deteriorating so badly, especially that I also suffer from retrograde alopecia, which is thinning behind the ears and nape, along with the thinning in a Norwood 6 pattern. A hair transplant isn't even an option for me either since my donor hair has been affected by DHT to some certain extent. My hair is starting to become unmanageable, and there's nothing I can do about it. I just have to live my life with how bad my hair is getting, but oh well. I'm trying my best on what I can do, and if people don't like me because I'm balding and graying so young, then that's their problem.

And despite this you're on here advising newbies and taking on added responsibility! As well as enjoying other people's success whatever it is. That to me, is a very special person.

In regards to your hair, I agree with DH, keep going In order to reduce costs you could perhaps use a cheaper Keto shampoo or use it less times per week? It probably won't make much difference to your hair but could save money. Ebay has cheap liquid Minoxidil too. You can buy some cheap dye too I am pretty sure and it only has to be done once every 6 weeks or something unlike a hair loss regimen! Not that grays are that much of a problem. There used to be a guy I knew in his early 20s with a lot of greys, he left it like that, it's not as distressing as losing hair but I can see it being an added issue for you.

You could also drop RU and limit Keto, try a PGD2 inhibitor as we discussed. I hope one day we at least see maintenance pictures of your hair. This also tells you how finasteride/dutasteride are not cures despite some people saying they are.

 

[Agustin Araujo]

Thanks DoctorHouse and Wolf Pack.

Yes, I'm definitely going to continue with my regimen, as suggested. I'll just keep going as it is. I would totally regret it if I stopped the treatments. I will still continue using the Ketoconazole shampoo daily and using the 10% solutions of RU58841 as I have found it to be helping. Using a PGD2 inhibitor is the very next thing I plan to add into my regimen for treating my male pattern baldness, so hopefully Setipiprant will prove to do so at inhibiting the pro-inflammatory lipid compound which inhibits hair growth, and allow many more hairs into the anagen phase, and hopefully will also help reduce shedding.

 

[sjbuk]

I just dont appreciate when people lump balding and aging together. Does balding make you look older? Yes, but they are two seperate, unrelated things.

I reckon hair loss may be a factor in ageing though, baldness probably not as this usually happens quickly. I remember Billy Zane had baldness in about 1 - 2 years and he was a great looking guy. Hair loss/thinning seems slow so could be an ageing factor

 

[sjbuk]

Billy Zane has been bald since his early 20's. He already wore a hair piece in Titanic (1997), if not in Back to the Future 2.

I remembered him as balding in around a couple of years, not sure of the age but the point being balding seems to happen quickly

 

[I.D WALKER]

I think UC is correct. Aging and baldness are separate and unrelated issues. However aging is generally accepted as normal/natural phenomenon inclusive to all living things, flora and fauna alike.

For that matter we know deceased organic matter continues to degrade over time. I'll take this one step further and acknowledge that even geological formations change their
original structure and composition.

Yet somehow baldness is still strangely attributed to the "normal aging process" and what society defines as old age.

male pattern baldness is different from age for several stark reasons:

(1). It obviously causes us to prematurely appear older -- VERSUS-- Aging

(2). It is commonly perceived as unnatural -- VERSUS-- Aging

(3). It is commonly perceived as unhealthy -- VERSUS-- Aging

(4). It is medically defined as a disease -- VERSUS-- Aging


These are some striking characteristics which clearly contrasts male pattern baldness from aging. We know from the consensus of this forum there are many more.

Not to mention the multiplex and profound psych/emo impact male pattern baldness has on those who are continually affected/effected by male pattern baldness.

 

[sjbuk]

This is him in 1998:

We don't exactly know how quick it happened because he was always asked to put on a hair piece in his movies.

Yes it can happen very quick. It took me only 5 years to go from NW1 to a slick NW5.

No doubt drives people a bit nuts at times.

 

[lkm370]

One of the starkest examples of how hairloss affects how people perceive you is Ronald Reagan and his brother Neil Reagan:

There is only a 2 year difference between the two yet one became a Hollywood actor and president who exemplifies youth and vitality (despite being a decrepit old man) and the other just looks like anyones grandpa.

 

[resu]

I would say up until 2012 I looked very young for a late 29 or so, I easily looked 19. Now I look like 24 but with major flaws, my eyes got sunken probably thanks to minoxidil and my hair loss is rapidly diffusing all around the male pattern baldness area.

I got seriously demoralized because I was out of shape in 2011 but not fat just flabby, got in shape in 2012 and as a reward I started to bald :/ I'm still thin since I don't eat fast food or candies but I gain weight very easily if I eat them.

 

[I.D WALKER]

And he's shorter...

 

[Isaac Newton]

And his hair loss is hardly noticeable lmfao

Especially at his age

Damn i can tell you are a low norwood lkm

 

[Wolf Pack]

And his hair loss is hardly noticeable lmfao

Especially at his age

Damn i can tell you are a low norwood lkm

So glad you wrote this. I was just going to say is it only me that can't see much hair difference. I was expecting a big difference between the two hair wise going by the post.

Definitely the other one is fatter and not good looking.

Anyway both are pretty much "coffin look" with hair though.

 

[I.D WALKER]

I suppose I could refine my skills better at attempting sarcasm here. After all we know that hair loss is bad. Now hair loss + humorlessness is growing incrementally worse.

 

[sjbuk]

Anyway both are pretty much "coffin look" with hair though.

Coffin look...ha that's funny. I doubt we'll care then.

 

[sjbuk]

We went over this countless times. The conclusion: we will still care.

Not when were in the Coffin.

 

[sjbuk]

Your baldness will haunt you for all eternity.

Possible, I wonder if baldness exists in Heaven.