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I think its' already happening with UC, no?
Minoxidil must be used indefinitely for continued support of existing hair follicles and the maintenance of any experienced hair regrowthCan minoxidil hairs be maintained by finasteride if you stop minoxidil?
You should consider what qualitative parameter is being measured . An increase in hair weight during that time period seems realistic to me . Also hair shedding shouldn’t have any impact on gains of hair weight of terminal Anagen hairs as it would on hair densitySince what I said about the practical side was so controversial, and I'm not a doomer, I'll expand a bit on the science side:
HMI-115 is very promising, and I believe it will most likely grow hair in men if/when it becomes available
but guessing at the magnitude of an effect from a short duration, uncontrolled, low N, non-human study is 100% pseudoscience
these monkeys experience an annual hair shedding pattern so strong that even the placebo group from the finasteride studies looks like the cure:
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knowing that, this chart from @pegasus2 should make your brain bleed:
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Do you have a link by any chance? It's weird to see something like that already online.2k or more for a micro dose.
Imagine reading the charts you're using to try and make a argument out of.Since what I said about the practical side was so controversial, and I'm not a doomer, I'll expand a bit on the science side:
HMI-115 is very promising, and I believe it will most likely grow hair in men if/when it becomes available
but guessing at the magnitude of an effect from a short duration, uncontrolled, low N, non-human study is 100% pseudoscience
these monkeys experience an annual hair shedding pattern so strong that even the placebo group from the finasteride studies looks like the cure:
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knowing that, this chart from @pegasus2 should make your brain bleed:
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And no one is disagreeing that control groups are important in general research settings, however what you're doing here is being ridiculous and trying to diminish the results of a overwhelmingly positive pre-clinical study because you think it's missing some core component.No, I'm making the very general point that reliably estimating the magnitude of an effect in biological research requires a control group...
To illustrate that point, I provided an example of just one relevant uncontrolled factor that also obviously applies to HMI-115, in picture form to make it easier.
I know this is an alternative medicine forum, but I can't believe I've got to make the case that control groups are really important in research
The graph you posted shows variation in hair WEIGHT (which I take to be thickness), rather than count. That said, I'm sure there's variation in numbers as well, however if you look at the pictures posted a few pages back, clearly that's not just seasonal variation (though I'm sure those are the best responders).No, I'm making the very general point that reliably estimating the magnitude of an effect in biological research requires a control group...
To illustrate that point, I provided an example of just one relevant uncontrolled factor that also obviously applies to HMI-115, in picture form to make it easier.
I know this is an alternative medicine forum, but I can't believe I've got to make the case that control groups are really important in research
edit: I'll make the point even clearer so there's no confusion:
1. monkeys have hair shedding cycles that significantly affect hair growth at any given point in time
(that was supposed to be the obvious takeaway from the finasteride chart placebo group)
2. knowing this, you can't take growth over a 6 month period and do a simple linear projection into the distant future. It would be very dubious to do so with a control group, but is 100% pseudoscience without one
3. so either @pegasus2 didn't know any better, or was being intentionally misleading
I am wondering which was the result n Dr Phill,...., Near one year using it plus microneedling.So @pegasus2 u thinking this could be the grandaddy of all trestments or what?
You have been on it for one year?I am wondering which was the result n Dr Phill,...., Near one year using it plus microneedling.
Using what ?I am wondering which was the result n Dr Phill,...., Near one year using it plus microneedling.
That piece of sh*t will never understand how lucky he is. Shame they probably won't get the dose right for everyone, always the case when dose ranging hasn't quite been establishedWonder when they'll test this on the first human male. Imagine being that person, would feel so amazing tbh
A med related to prolactin receptors, but I am not sure what exactly. A group in DiscordUsing what ?
noYou have been on it for one year?