Being A Male In 2017 Year Is Inferior

[blackg]

There's a real culture of acknowledgement and hatred of hypergamy on here, as if it exists only among females, yet the guys on here who refer to themselves as a physical abomination seem to feel they should be doing better than well, anything, anything they can get.

I didn't initially agree with blackg about that chick on first glance, but now on second look I see what he means, and even good looking friends of mine think my standards can be too high. What kind of celebrity culture world are these guys living in? Not every chick looks like an actress or model, on top of that I've known plenty of good looking or average women who lose 2 points in photo's, but any guy would bang them. This one could actually be quite hot in real life.

I know @CaptainForehead has at least acknowledged to me that the "final nail" as he see's it for finding a woman, is the fact he values what he wants way over what his worth is. That's at least awareness.

Another thing is that guys who are quite judgemental over an actual real woman's looks, have never been with one. You have to understand how a naked girls face becomes so much hotter, when she has a body, which the vast majority of them do.

I'll give an anecdotal example to represent how I feel on this.

When I was about 20 a legit Chad 9/10 friend of mine was seeing this fairly chubby average looking girl, which he and our group often acknowledged or piss-taked that this was kinda funny, like he could do a lot better. So the thing with her lasted a few months and the ribbing continued long after (which I didn't really partake in) but with his own self-deprecation it was all in good fun.

One night he lost it a little bit and in possibly bad taste he got his laptop out, pulled up a picture of her bent over in underwear on his bed.

Everyone shut the hell up right there and then.

Never spoken about again.

We all know and can imagine how slim pretty looking girls look naked from p*rn and generally trying to imagine it, but something in our brains does not associate less attractive women facially with how hot they could be to actually f***. And we may hate this, but that's why we regularly see so many attractive guys with less attractive women.

Hey, if he's happy, and getting off on it like any red blooded male would, then let him be.

The rest of us (me included) are constantly trying to trade up for our trophy and respect from society, in reality if we didn't give a sh*t what others think, we'd "settle" for women that turn us on in the unconventional ways that society tells us we shouldn't be attracted to.

Well said.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Thanks for the story @h.l., it may resonate with some of the posters here who don't want to settle for anything less than a model.

It's not my issue though. Women reject me point blank. I don't even get to find out if my standards are too high.

 

[Rudiger]

Thanks for the story @h.l., it may resonate with some of the posters here who don't want to settle for anything less than a model.

It's not my issue though. Women reject me point blank. I don't even get to find out if my standards are too high.

You're trying though and it's one of the many ways you deserve a lot of respect.

You over anyone would have the right to b**ch about the superficial standards of women, yet I don't recall you ever really doing so.

I don't even want to say to you "if it doesn't happen...." but well, if you don't meet someone, at least you'll never have that regret. Instead you kept your chin up, you did your best, and it was truly never yourself at fault but the way this world is turning out.

Right now I'd just like to say that you should continue thinking about the possibility it will happen, and you have every right to think so. You're a strong person David, not to be patronising.

 

[pghero]

I mean, even if you're dealt a crap hand (like with baldness) - a lot of hard work and accountability can go a long way, especially when it comes to meeting women.

 

[shookwun]

Being a male in 2017 is great if you're aesthetic.


thats it, that's all there is it to it.


One equation, and characteristic out of many that defines us.

 

[pghero]

Money can help (up to a certain point) probably if you're a 6 or 7, it can give you that extra boost up to a 8 or 9 (in their eyes).

 

[Rudiger]

Being a male in 2017 is great if you're aesthetic.


thats it, that's all there is it to it.


One equation, and characteristic out of many that defines us.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually said any of this out loud to other people? Because I represented some "redpill" ideas to others in the past, that I've learned from this forum, just to see how things go. I think I wrote about it once.

I'd wonder how an actual debate with this simple idea would go down.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually said any of this out loud to other people? Because I represented some "redpill" ideas to others in the past, that I've learned from this forum, just to see how things go. I think I wrote about it once.

I'd wonder how an actual debate with this simple idea would go down.

I'm pretty honest with people in real life sometimes and they do not take it well at all.

 

[sunchyme1]

I'm pretty honest with people in real life sometimes and they do not take it well at all.

looooooool

i bet they dont mate

good stuff. you keep red pilling people dave

 

[shookwun]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually said any of this out loud to other people? Because I represented some "redpill" ideas to others in the past, that I've learned from this forum, just to see how things go. I think I wrote about it once.

I'd wonder how an actual debate with this simple idea would go down.

only to to my closest pals, ones that I can deeply relate to and tell anything without a feeling of repercussion.

Even then, only a select few.




Anybody else for that matter, no.

 

[kj6723]

I represented some "redpill" ideas to others in the past, that I've learned from this forum, just to see how things go. I think I wrote about it once.

How did the conversation go? If you don't mind my asking

 

[Rudiger]

only to to my closest pals, ones that I can deeply relate to and tell anything without a feeling of repercussion.



Anybody else for that matter, no.

OK. Well that's quite safe.

Debating it with real repercussion is very tricky, I presented these ideas in a round-a-bout way without directly saying I think this (but these women probably thought I did think it) and basically women feel the same way about men. When you get trapped inside this mindset of this Impact Section, red pills etc, and reading about desperate men and how women can get anything they want, it's hard to break away from this line of thinking.

I just keep an open mind, I think your argument is quite simplistic, and that's something I would like to believe in. But on the other hand, I know too many aesthetic men who are having sh*t lives from choosing the wrong superficial woman early in their life.

Life's never "great" for anyone in 2017, regardless of who you are, there's always pitfalls. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Rudiger]

How did the conversation go? If you don't mind my asking

I'm trying to remember, and just searched for the post I wrote about it. Can't find it so far.

But basically the last post I just wrote, women feel the same way in finding a man. We can scoff at that, and in a way, rightfully so, but on the other hand, these girls (who were average looking) were in relationships where they clearly felt they had "settled".

It was brief, I didn't delve too much into it, but the idea was from their perspective, it's just as hard to get a man as it is for men to get a woman. My main point is that sh*t gets complicated.

Sure, even an average woman can f*** a good looking guy on a whim, but will he stay around? Nobody on here thinks about that. @Guzam made an interesting post about the number games of why people are having less sex, it didn't take into account that women, even more than men, want someone to stay around.

I know it seems possible that women are happy to pop out a few Chad sperm babies, and then settle for some beta provider who get's no sex, but to me that seems like bullshit. Women are very conscious about good looking "players", I know this myself and have written about the downside of gaining trust as a good looking man who sleeps with random women regularly.

This "trust issue" has happened a handful of times, and recently before Christmas, when a girl I really liked didn't want me because she didn't trust me.

Did she want my great sperm so she could move on? No. f*****g bullshit.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I had an argument recently with that blue pilled female friend who thinks men can have kids when they're 90.

She told me she gets men because they're attracted to her confidence and her intelligence. She said the most important thing is first loving yourself and being confident. I got really pissed at her but I didn't want to introduce the blue pill red pill terminology, so I told her to stop reading me hallmark slogans, she got really pissed too.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

A guy critiqued male privilege on FB recently, I wrote that men who are white, rich, healthy, tall, handsome, etc indeed live life on god mode, and that's where the perception comes from.

This other guy comes in, and he says that being handsome is a disadvantage in life, because you have to deal with the jealousy of other men. He pointed out the stressful situation he had to deal with recently when several women approached, leaving other men rebuked, who were mad at him. He says that being tall is a disadvantage because you have to spend more money on food and clothes.

 

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Another thing is that guys who are quite judgemental over an actual real woman's looks, have never been with one.
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I agree with this strongly and said it a few weeks ago.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

A guy critiqued male privilege on FB recently, I wrote that men who are white, rich, healthy, tall, handsome, etc indeed live life on god mode, and that's where the perception comes from.

This other guy comes in, and he says that being handsome is a disadvantage in life, because you have to deal with the jealousy of other men. He pointed out the stressful situation he had to deal with recently when several women approached, leaving other men rebuked, who were mad at him. He says that being tall is a disadvantage because you have to spend more money on food and clothes.

I think the most important thing in the west is class not race.

I'd rather be a black middle class kid in Maine over a white working class kid in Pennsylvania.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

I had an argument recently with that blue pilled female friend who thinks men can have kids when they're 90.

She told me she gets men because they're attracted to her confidence and her intelligence. She said the most important thing is first loving yourself and being confident. I got really pissed at her but I didn't want to introduce the blue pill red pill terminology, so I told her to stop reading me hallmark slogans, she got really pissed too.

I'm not planning on having kids until I'm in my early forties -hopefully meet a woman is ten years younger

 

[SmoothSailing]

I agree with this strongly and said it a few weeks ago.

Many guys do have far to high standards. I might be wrong here but I think for some guys here it partly comes out of anger that women have standards that excludes them. It kind of feels good to think "we'll she's to fat/old etc", when the majority of women exclude you for various reasons. I'd say often a lot of theses standards would be thrown out the window if the opportunity actually occurred with one of these women, although maybe not to be honest.

But anyhow hypergamy only works in one direction, guys with to high standards simply won't get laid. I've said this before but most incles, or below average guys, that I know in real life, will not actually have high standards. But because of mocking and other reasons they will act like their standards are higher. So they wouldn't be like "yeah I'd totally bang that fat chick", but in reality they would, and do.

Sure I did the same back when I was a virgin, no doubt some of my friends thought I had to high standards, yet I fucked some tubbies and back then was horny enough to f*** nearly anything.

I looked at one of the fat girls tinder, this girl was not pretty by any margin, but she certainly had no trouble finding guys for sex. Yet most the guys would probably claim her out of their league when with their mates.

Finally, just because you are in the bottom 30% of males in terms of appearance, doesn't mean you should't be allowed have standards of no fat girls in my opinion (despite the fact that the bottom 30% of girls are fat). While of course this likely means you will be incel, I don't feel right telling someone who looks after their health that all they deserve is people who do not look after their health.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Many guys do have far to high standards. I might be wrong here but I think for some guys here it partly comes out of anger that women have standards that excludes them. It kind of feels good to think "we'll she's to fat/old etc", when the majority of women exclude you for various reasons. I'd say often a lot of theses standards would be thrown out the window if the opportunity actually occurred with one of these women, although maybe not to be honest.

But anyhow hypergamy only works in one direction, guys with to high standards simply won't get laid. I've said this before but most incles, or below average guys, that I know in real life, will not actually have high standards. But because of mocking and other reasons they will act like their standards are higher. So they wouldn't be like "yeah I'd totally bang that fat chick", but in reality they would, and do.

Sure I did the same back when I was a virgin, no doubt some of my friends thought I had to high standards, yet I fucked some tubbies and back then was horny enough to f*** nearly anything.

I looked at one of the fat girls tinder, this girl was not pretty by any margin, but she certainly had no trouble finding guys for sex. Yet most the guys would probably claim her out of their league when with their mates.

Finally, just because you are in the bottom 30% of males in terms of appearance, doesn't mean you should't be allowed have standards of no fat girls in my opinion (despite the fact that the bottom 30% of girls are fat). While of course this likely means you will be incel, I don't feel right telling someone who looks after their health that all they deserve is people who do not look after their health.

I've got to the point where I would rather sleep with only two people a year that are good looking and fun to be with, over getting laid with ten below average women.

When I was in my early 20s I would sleep with anyone - now I want quality (not talking 9s and 10s but solid 7s)