Connecting The Dots And Finding The Mechanisms

[Hate da Bt]

i really like hate da bt so far. He's a-typically feisty as far as faggots go. Previous forum homos have just screeched about bullying and spent the rest of their poasting careers making passive aggressive snark swipes.

Hate da Bt, the feisty f*****.
I like that.
Haha

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

It's likely this study was done by those who practice hair transplants, thus they are directly defending the idea that keeps them making money. Doesn't sound unbiased

Lol yeah, it's a f*****g World Wide Hair Transplants Surgeons Consortium conspiracy, back in 1979 when hair transplants were SO MAINSTREAM
WWHTSC conspiracy

The arm hair transplant is the first relevant experience about Androgenetic Alopecia, and it simply showed existence of a 'timeclock' in the follicle himself, which have been universally agreed by medical scenery, and is still up to date 40 years after...

And if you really think about this test, this is just Textbook Step 1 of a scientific study about an unknown phenomenom, watch if the process is still running when the follicle is moved to another skin place, and IT DOES

I knew you would said bullshits like that again, you're quite predictable Mr Snowden

 

[Arrade]

Lol yeah, it's a f*****g World Wide Hair Transplants Surgeons Consortium conspiracy, back in 1979 when hair transplants were SO MAINSTREAM
WWHTSC conspiracy

The arm hair transplant is the first relevant experience about Androgenetic Alopecia, and it simply showed existence of a 'timeclock' in the follicle himself, which have been universally agreed by medical scenery, and is still up to date 40 years after...

And if you really think about this test, this is just Textbook Step 1 of a scientific study about an unknown phenomenom, watch if the process is still running when the follicle is moved to another skin place, and IT DOES

I knew you would said bullshits like that again, you're quite predictable Mr Snowden

Surgery transplantation is step 1 of understanding an organ? Yeah I remember that in biology

 

[Arrade]

Lol yeah, it's a f*****g World Wide Hair Transplants Surgeons Consortium conspiracy, back in 1979 when hair transplants were SO MAINSTREAM
WWHTSC conspiracy

The arm hair transplant is the first relevant experience about Androgenetic Alopecia, and it simply showed existence of a 'timeclock' in the follicle himself, which have been universally agreed by medical scenery, and is still up to date 40 years after...

And if you really think about this test, this is just Textbook Step 1 of a scientific study about an unknown phenomenom, watch if the process is still running when the follicle is moved to another skin place, and IT DOES

I knew you would said bullshits like that again, you're quite predictable Mr Snowden

Maybe its predictable since I already said hair transplant are bullshit?

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

Surgery transplantation is step 1 of understanding an organ? Yeah I remember that in biology

Understanding a localized anomaly, by trials
And also don't forget this was in 1979, tech was limited, but people were smart

 

[Arrade]

@Hate da Bt bro I said I won't send picks of my peen leave me alone

 

[Hate da Bt]

@Hate da Bt bro I said I won't send picks of my peen leave me alone

I asked for a face pic, henny.
Still waiting ...

 

[Francesco17]

Homosexual men are a group of fellow disadvantaged men, yet you hairloss sufferers manage to spew hate on them. I'm not going to say you balding homophobes deserve your condition, but you should think twice about your words. Otherwise you would be indirectly legitimation baldophobia.

 

[Arrade]

Homosexual men are a group of fellow disadvantaged men, yet you hairloss sufferers manage to spew hate on them. I'm not going to say you balding homophobes deserve your condition, but you should think twice about your words. Otherwise you would be indirectly legitimation baldophobia.

The homo man is downvoting all posts and cussing people out... I think you’ve missed the point

 

[Ayr9]

Discussing something here except dht must be forbidden here by the mods lol..
And I think the guys who are cussing and arguing without giving proper explanation are the ones who cant even grow hair a single hair with finasteride and got sides....
LMFAO

 

[Mook]

So what is the the best anti-fibrosis/calcification protocol currently and who are the forum members doing it? Are they getting results?

 

[verne2k]

What about tests about grafting scalp follicle on the arm and observing :

Synchronous balding of scalp and hair-bearing grafts of scalp transplanted to the skin of the arm in male pattern baldness.

You see, all this calcification bullshits, skull bone growth ALL BEEN DEBUNKED ABOUT DECADES AGO
I've seen this theory from @Arrade and it's quite contagious, but this is still utter BS and stronk broscience out of your asses...and this is dangerous for people seeking real treatments.

Point is, when you graft a "future" balding hair from scalp to arm, IT IS STILL MINIATURING, but it's NOT ON SCALP ANYMORE, this follicle will not be exposed to all your bullshits theory, but just to DHT in the arm skin...BAM BALDING ANYWAY.

Please also note that opposite is also true :
WHEN YOU GRAFT AN ARM HAIR IN THE SCALP IT'S ACTUALLY GROWING §§§

So, for the last time, please consider real studies done on this, and accept once and for all that the balding mecanism is whithin THE HAIR FOLLICLE HIMSELF, NOT HIS SURROUDING ENVIRONNEMENT AND TISSUE.

"The author transplanted composite skin grafts from balding, non-balding, and bald areas of the scalp, to the skin of the arm. The galea aponeurotica was trimmed away from the grafts. The patient was a 29-yr-old male with progresive male pattern baldness (male pattern baldness). The transplants from the balding area became bald at the same rate as the balding donor site in the receding frontal, hairline, whereas the transplants taken from the non-balding area in the occiput continued to grow the same amount and quality of terminal hairs. Bald grafts taken in front of the receding hairline remained bald. This shows that the cause of male pattern baldness lies in the follicle itself or in its very close surrounding and does not depend on the galea aponeurotica, the increased tension of the scalp or of its muscles, the diminished vascular supply to the scalp or any other regional factor localized to the head area. It also shows that the 'balding clock' keeps time even when the follicle is transplanted to another region of the body."

in Acta Dermato Venereologica 59(3):266-8 · February 1979
Quite simple demonstration, but debunked ALL THOSE BULLSHITS

Jesus, why Tsuji will even persue his research on hair cloning if problem was in the scalp himself, why hair transplants would even work then...actually this is only common sense

except there was another study that took grafts of miniaturized follicles from the scalp and put them somewhere else (don't remember where) and showed they un-miniaturized and even grew back with full pigmentation...

 

[Arrade]

except there was another study that took grafts of miniaturized follicles from the scalp and put them somewhere else (don't remember where) and showed they un-miniaturized and even grew back with full pigmentation...

 

[verne2k]

That's crazy, do you know where to find this study?

dunno really. i probably found info about it either here or on ieson, which are the forums i lurk. i don't remember.

but anyway it just confirms that the miniaturization process can be reversed, and you don't even need a study for that, just look at all the finasteride/minoxidil results.

and look at all the people reporting transplanted hairs to thin over time. the whole "follicles genetically programmed to die" or "to be more susceptible to dht" is bullshit. the problem is not in the follicles themselves but rather in their surroundings

 

[Arrade]

dunno really. i probably found info about it either here or on ieson, which are the forums i lurk. i don't remember.

but anyway it just confirms that the miniaturization process can be reversed, and you don't even need a study for that, just look at all the finasteride/minoxidil results.

and look at all the people reporting transplanted hairs to thin over time. the whole "follicles genetically programmed to die" or "to be more susceptible to dht" is bullshit. the problem is not in the follicles themselves but rather in their surroundings

And they've never proven or explained how genetics program the hair follicle to death

 

[Ayr9]

So what is the the best anti-fibrosis/calcification protocol currently and who are the forum members doing it? Are they getting results?

Well you need to heavy scalp massages thats the first thing to do in breaking calcium...And magnesium citrate is very necessary for 2months and then continue with mag gluconate...and yes ofcourse you can add wounding(but personally I dont do it as of now)...Yes you can take vitamin k2 mk4 which also takes calcium from tissues and put it back to bone..(this is I am not sure because k2 tends to increase bone and if it expands your scalp then it may be bad)And as of now,fibrosis has no exact cure but yea topical taurine or caffiene is anti-fibrotic...You have to reduce tgf beta 1 and increase the igf 1(the way sandalore works)..You can search it on this forum only).And yes ofcourse be on an dht inhibitor...It will definitely helps as it stills one of the most important factor of hairloss
Estradiol also reduces tgf beta 1 and Spironolactone is also anti fiibrotic as well as anti androgenic...
This are the just the assumptions and dont guarentee anything...You have to experiment with and risk your money and time with it...

 

[Arrade]

Well you need to heavy scalp massages thats the first thing to do in breaking calcium...And magnesium citrate is very necessary for 2months and then continue with mag gluconate...and yes ofcourse you can add wounding(but personally I dont do it as of now)...Yes you can take vitamin k2 mk4 which also takes calcium from tissues and put it back to bone..(this is I am not sure because k2 tends to increase bone and if it expands your scalp then it may be bad)And as of now,fibrosis has no exact cure but yea topical taurine or caffiene is anti-fibrotic...You have to reduce tgf beta 1 and increase the igf 1(the way sandalore works)..You can search it on this forum only).And yes ofcourse be on an dht inhibitor...It will definitely helps as it stills one of the most important factor of hairloss
Estradiol also reduces tgf beta 1 and Spironolactone is also anti fiibrotic as well as anti androgenic...
This are the just the assumptions and dont guarentee anything...You have to experiment with and risk your money and time with it...

mk7 is better for decalcifcation of soft tissues.
Oral taurine, nattokinase, serrapeptase and myofascial release for fibrosis removal. Also take collagen and there's a chemical and pineapple and ginger that breaks down and rebuilds collagen

 

[dietcoke1987]

So was the study where there was an improvement from botox injected in the scalp bs then?

 

[verne2k]

And they've never proven or explained how genetics program the hair follicle to death

the most ridiculous aspect of the "dht theory" is that it dismisses thinning on the temples as "just aging".

so temples follicles = it's normal for them to die!
galea follicles = ZOMG GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED TO BE KILLED BY UR OWN HOrMONES!!!1!
rest= perfect follicles immune to everything!!!11!1

how can anybody think that crap is serious...