Court Let Merck Hide Secrets About A Popular Drug’s Risks

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Yeah like his experience is what people really need, of a pathological liar that would give his life to save some hair or to grow an inch taller, lol, cmon let's be serious he will never admit it anyways, he thinks just like Ikarus that if he did not have libido or morning wood before taking it that it's normal and that all people are like them and can live this way, cmon i have more expectations from you, you seem like a smart man!
Because I am curious and I want to know as much as possible how different treatments affect people. I would of course appreciate honesty in the stories. In the end is everyone's choice what to do with their bodies. But it would so much help others in their decision. If X or Y take the drug, are happy with the hair results and have sides that they don't mind for the sake of hair, very vb good for them! But those sides might be too much for what I want from a treatment so I am happy for them but decide it's not my cup of tea.
 

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I've stated this many time but do people realize that halting hair loss is actually a side effect observed in the process of treating BPH? So this treatment for hair loss really focuses on ripping the benefits of an observ d side effect. Of course, this is a desired side effect but with desired sides usually there's also undesired ones
 

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This question is addressed to the really intelligent people of this forum and i know for sure that there are some and i would really like to hear their input on this:

What i don't get and never will why people call this "sides" from finasteride, sides... This drug is trying to mimic a condition of people who were born with a genetic malformation, meaning the deficiency of 5 alpha reductase type II, they were called guevedoces and they were the pseudohermaphrodites on which this drug was made...

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This "sides" that people report represent the guevedoces way of life, they never had normal lives, not even after Testosterone surged their bodies and made some of them grow odd looking and malformed penises, not even when they grew some muscle mass and rarely deep voices...

"Children with the condition are genetically male, meaning they have one X and one Y chromosome. However, as they develop in the womb, a genetic mutation prevents their bodies from converting the male hormone testosterone into a hormone called dihydrotestosterone, or DHT. Because DHT is responsible for the development of male sex organs, the lack of DHT means the male organs don't develop properly, according to the National Institutes of Health.

When children with the condition are born, their external genitals look female, or in some cases, appear ambiguous, the NIH says. But during puberty, Guevedoces, like typical males, experience an increase in testosterone. The body appears to respond to these higher levels of testosterone — the penis and scrotum grow larger, and secondary sex characteristics — such as increased muscle mass and a deep voice — can also appear.

Men with this condition, officially called 5-alpha reductase deficiency, are usually infertile, and often do not develop much facial or body hair. Although most children with this condition are raised as girls, about half identify themselves as male after puberty, the NIH says."

Why do people are so stupid in thinking that a chemical made in a lab that tries to reproduce this condition by shrinking your prostate and accumulating in the tissue to suppress an enzyme that we are born with will work... Why do people call them SIDES when in reality what the drug is doing is only trying to mimic their condition?

WE WERE NOT f*****g BORN LIKE THEM, it's normal that our bodies will never adapt and will always fight it because we were not born that way, it's that f*****g simple... That's why it's full of people who get "sides" that's why it f*****g does not work, that's why all of this sh*t, because we are not f*****g Guevedoces and we will never be, they f*****g need to find a cure or treatment and real cause for why normal people go bald, not to try to mimic pseudohermaphroditism to give us some hair that will eventually fall anyways...

And please show me one valid study excepts Merks statement that DHT has no role in the male adult body and that it's normal to suppress it, show me where the 5 alpha reductase enzymes are, type I, II and III and show me a study showing their uses and locations, that's if you can find this info lol!
Because people are very self aware and hair acts more like the feathers on a bird. Some people will go to extreme lengths to achieve that "look" they feel is warranted.
 

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Yeah that's what really anecdotal experiences really are, not just the ones of people who are "happy" and get "no sides" matter, and this is the trend with this thing because a lot of people are willing to accept a lot of things for hair and not only, especially this fucked up generation raised on "tinder experiments" and so on... So their opinions are useless and equal to 0, but if they matter for you, what can i say, take your time :)

I can't even number the times i sawed on different forums including this one the expression: "Rather with sides or PFS than bald, or i would rope better than go bald, etc" and what's odd is that i saw it from a lot of people who aren't actually balding in the first place, most of them have severe mental problems and BDD and at the first sign of shedding they take the strongest thing they find and this are the most dangerous ones for the others because their opinion and voice is the loudest, not the ones that shout out because of sides, like this incels would want you to believe, in reality their voice is the loudest one, because they are the most desperate...

Most posts of people that report sides are actually normal, they just share their experience and move on but in 10 minutes from the post is made, the tranny brigade is entering panic mode because they feel personally attacked, their shitty treatment and their decision is under pressure..

In a world made only by people like them, everybody would accept anything and the forums would be full of people with limp dicks and boobies congratulating each other on their "achievements"...
That's how statistics takes shape...
 

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the difference of course is that one deficiency is during development where dht is evidently important and the other is after development when the penis and the scrotum and whatever you are talking about is fully developed. your arguments are also surprisingly child like. what about contraception, is that going to ruin women because "it's normal that our bodies will never adapt and will always fight it because we were not born that way, it's that f*****g simple"
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what the f*** is wrong with you
But you are aware that hormones act as messengers in the body telling various body parts what to do and how. Who decided that DHT is useless after x age? Is there any study (other than promoting hair loss treatments) that shows DHT is useless after puberty?
 

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So where did all this sh*t come from? The toxicityI mean

I don't know but I suspect a lot of it came from actual users having serious side effects. In 98, 99, 00 the drug hadn't been around long enough for many to have gotten serious sides, it wouldn't be for a few more years, say circa 2005, that it had been around long enough for side effect stricken users to exist in large enough numbers.
 

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Do you have aspergers? Seriously I don’t even know what the f*** you are trying to accomplish this debate has literally been beaten to death for decades. Of course it could be that dht or it’s metabolizes play some role within the male body. Is it obvious? No, when I got my blood checked they had to write in dht by hand because it’s not on the regular f*****g form. That’s how unimportant that it. When I talked to my urologist I talked about my dht levels and again e wasn’t even planning to test me for them. That’s why. And that’s not even the point, the point is we can either discuss this until we are 6feet under ground or we can just cut this sh*t off, accept that finasteride is a garbage drug but that the safety profile is good enough to give it a shot if balding gives you anxiety and impacts the quality of life. Everyone who doesn’t agree with this is quite obviously a moron
Can you by any chance reply without insults? You may (or not) be aware that Asperger's is usually asociated with pretty sharp intelligence (albeit low social skills) so your insult there did not really hit the spot. If you do have something against me personally, please refrain your insults just to me and don't mock Autism.
 

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I don't know but I suspect a lot of it came from actual users having serious side effects. In 98, 99, 00 the drug hadn't been around long enough for many to have gotten serious sides, it wouldn't be for a few more years, say circa 2005, that it had been around long enough for side effect stricken users to exist in large enough numbers.
Correct me if I'm wring but these days it seems like it's mostly the novice Fina users (unde 1 or 1.5 yrs of use) that usually start this garbage. And many by bashing (insults and all) any who dares questioning this treatment... And yes, some that don't even take it...
 

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I don't know but I suspect a lot of it came from actual users having serious side effects. In 98, 99, 00 the drug hadn't been around long enough for many to have gotten serious sides, it wouldn't be for a few more years, say circa 2005, that it had been around long enough for side effect stricken users to exist in large enough numbers.
Usually the people who state that they had serious sides and have to suffer show good reason and are mainly respectful. Just an observation....
 

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Those millions and millions and millions... If you fo a rough math bases on how much Merck made from Propecia only divided by the cost of the pill, you'd yield about 6 to 6.5 millions users worldwide. Add to that people using generic and proscar divided in quarters and I guess you can double that number. So about 12 millions worldwide?

12 millions worldwide on how much 18-99 + men balding around the world !? at least 800 000 millions lol
 

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Why is it always guys taking it for baldness that have trouble? Millions take it for their prostate and those guys seem to be fine, as far as I know.

That is simply not true. The amount of reported side effects is even higher with them due to the increased dosage.
 

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Your just speaking right out of your but, last year in the US only were only 1.6 million prescriptions of finasteride, including generics, and nobody knows hot many of those really took it or how many of them stuck with it and for how long, nobody knows how many got sides or not and nobody knows for how many it worked or not...

Regarding around the world, the US is the largest consumer, the rest of the world, especially European countries like France has something like 15.000 prescriptions, Germany 30.000 and so on... You must be real dumb in thinking that all the world is like the US who is the dumbest and largest consumer of pills on the face of the Earth... It's true indeed that the United Kingdom are walking down the same path like the US, having last year over 70 million prescriptions for anti-depressants and who knows how many more for other shits...

So do you studies and inform yourself before you speak right of you ***, trowing away with numbers does not make you sound educated or more interesting, and it does not make your statements true also!

800 million lmao, what people make themselves think just to make themselves feel better about the decisions they make lol, pathetic!


wait you thought i was talking about male taking finasteride !?!

first of all the 12 millions worldwide is not from me, i quoted someone in the thread who came up with this number.

and second as for adult men balding worldwide, well my logic is not that bad as you say.
There are 3.8 billions men in the world. If you only took the 18-99+ portion maybe you are down to 3 billions.

Then if 1/3 men will be balding severely during their life, that's why i came up with approximately 800 millions. But it is an approximation. it could be 700 millions like it could be 1 billion. The EXACT number is not really important. it was just to illustrate to the other user how 12 millions finasteride user over 800 millions adult men balding was a really small pourcentage.

you don't have to be so butthurt...
 

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I thought you were talking about finasteride users sorry i misunderstood and don't worry nobody is butthurt everybody is free to do or think how they pleases, it's not like it impacts me in some way! Anyways 12 million are well exaggerated since the actual data taken from doctors prescriptions shows different numbers, besides the fact that even prescriptions does not show the real number who are on it or stayed on it, for how long, bla bla, nobody knows exactly...

yeah i dont remember who said 12 millions worldwide but i quoted someone here
 

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yeah i dont remember who said 12 millions worldwide but i quoted someone here
I threw that number. It was a gross approximation based on how much Merck raked in on Propecia with a very rough rounding up taking in consideration that many people take generic or quartered Proscar. So it was just a very rough guestimation or how many men worldwide may take Finasteride for hair loss. It's an exagerated number and it was as a reply to someone stating that there are so many millions of men taking it....
 

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Your the definition of a non male, even your profile pic suggests that, not to mention your comments... But talking about alphas i agree, is something completely different and i don't know if any of this incels could actually explain and neither don't think that it really exists outside of the animal kingdom, especially in our actual society, it's just a term they "invented" to define men that are better or very different from their pussy attitude and behavior...
U have an unhealthy obsession with limp dicks and incels, have u recently encountered any traumas?
 

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Is that supposed to make me feel bad or offended, which one of them? I would feel bad if i would have been in your place but you know how it is, you need to cope somehow thinking that others are worse than you when your a tranny pill eater, so i understand you, fellow guevedoce
What a sad life, claims he has a girlfriend and a family and goes around a forum all day calling everyone incels and trannies. I think u should end ur miserable life right now.
 

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Well i'm actually working now, and i don't have a family as i already said, i have a kid from a former marriage and an actual girlfriend for 2 years or so, so keep trying and projecting your life on others, with me for example, you won't stand a chance, i'm from the few that you really need to struggle in trying to make me feel bad, i actually had a really great life until now and it keeps going, the fact that i waste a couple of months on a hair loss forum trying to save some desperate kids from incels and trannies like you does not mean nothing, soon i will return to my normal activities and daily schedule but your still gonna be here all for the rest of your life ingesting tranny pills and projecting your shitty life on others thinking that your some kind of medium and that you actually nailed it lmao... Try tarot next, "your really good at it" lol

And look at my comments, i actually called incels and trannies only the incels and trannies of this forum, because i have a deep sense in smelling them, your all the f*****g same, same comments, same ideologies and same lives, so it's not hard to notice one, and nobody is expecting you to admit or see it because it's not something to be proud of....
Alright, cool story. Enjoy ur stay.
 
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