Craniofacial development - The thing that make us lose hair(A hair loss theory)

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I disagree with the black pill. It puts people in a narrow range of beauty standards. It defines things like ideal nose, ideal lip thickness, eyebrows , hairline and if you don't posses these things you are a lower value. That's bulshit. People are different and have different genetics. I love that people have different eyes, noses, forehead sizes, hairlines, eye color, skin color, etc. That's what I made a theory. According to it these are banal things and don't matter. You just need good bone structure.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I can make post with images If I use the upload option.
Dimitar Berbatov has distinctive poor facial structure. I asked people on this forum If they have seen people like this who are Norwood 1 and they told me that they see them on daily basis. I have never seen anyone with this facial structure who's Norwood 1.

He had not only receding hairline but was losing hair from the crown aswell.

In 2015 he has had a hair transplant.

But I doubt that he relies on hair transplant alone. Probably uses hairspray aswell.

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 Having decent bone structure automatically puts you in the subjective range of looks. No exceptions. I have never seen anyone who is 7 or above on my scale to be rated below average. For example this man has very decent face shape and I think he's 7/10. He gets rated mostly 7 and 8/10.

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 I belive that what you find attractive is predicted in your genetics. No matter how you are trying to force certain standards on people they won't adhere to them and will continue to find attractive what nature intended to. For example people you see on the media aren't exactly the same as common people in real life. On the media you would see a lot more people with tattoos than in real life, women with lip fillers, fake tits etc but in real life common people get tattoos far less often than famous people because they think tattoos are unattractive especially on women. The proportion of women who get fake tits and lip fillers even in richest countries is extremely small because lip fillers create an unnatural puffy appereance and make your face less attractive and fake tits look unnatural and unsexy. As soon as I started looking for pictures of naked women on the internet I realized that a shaved pussy does nothing for me while a natural hairy pussy drives me wild and I think it looks very feminine and sexy. I do because it's genetics. Women grow hair there for a reason. Women lost all of their body hair except there and on the armpits because it is considered a sign of sexual maturity and a turn on for men.
It's not due to backgroud or culture. I am sure If an asian man is adopted and raised in an european country he will find Asian women the most attractive and desirable because he's an asian and those are his genetics. In our culture men typically have short hair and women typically have long hair but women with short hair and men with long hair are still considered attractive and get rated high if they have decent bone structure.
For example this woman with short hair is 7/10 on my scale. She gets rated mostly 8 and 9/10 on reddit despite her short hair.

This man is also 7/10. He gets rated mostly 7 and 8/10. He has longer hair but decent bone structure.

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 Your hairstyle doesn't have vig impact on your attractiveness. Just get a haircut bro is a flawed logic.

Look for example at Brad Pitt.

He can have a mullet and still look very attractive.

Also this man is 5/10. With long or short hair he is still 5/10. It doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 I found this on reddit and it clearly shows how important bone structure is.

 

[curlwaves]

What is stopping people from doing a semi or full scientific study to proof/disproof this theory. Collect some men and their information. Preferably pictures at different ages. Divide in bald and non balding group. Then asking about hairloss after doing a variety of scans to prevent any placebo effect do not mention posture/head and hairloss. Ask when they went bald. Analyse pattern of hairloss with posture & head shape etc. posture standing up&sitting. Do analysis to study the muscle and pressure.

From that point we.have something to work on.
One thing that does give some credit are the study with Botox injections.

 

[Renovation]

What is stopping people from doing a semi or full scientific study to proof/disproof this theory. Collect some men and their information. Preferably pictures at different ages. Divide in bald and non balding group. Then asking about hairloss after doing a variety of scans to prevent any placebo effect do not mention posture/head and hairloss. Ask when they went bald. Analyse pattern of hairloss with posture & head shape etc. posture standing up&sitting. Do analysis to study the muscle and pressure.

From that point we.have something to work on.
One thing that does give some credit are the study with Botox injections.

Money, or should I say the money lost to the hair loss industry if the real reason was widely known. Even if a study proved this theory it would be gunned down big big pharma, and even most hair loss sufferers would not accept it (as seen in this forum)

BUT....It's undeniable that galea size and posture ARE directly linked to hair loss without a study, once you accept this and learn how to spot the signs, you can literally see it in every man every day.

This thread went off topic ages ago, but the underlying theory discussed is the main reason for male pattern baldness.

It's so obvious at this stage, the real question is how to combat this and maintain or restore growth, as shaving skull bone down isn't really an option!

 

[curlwaves]

Money, or should I say the money lost to the hair loss industry if the real reason was widely known. Even if a study proved this theory it would be gunned down big big pharma, and even most hair loss sufferers would not accept it (as seen in this forum)

BUT....It's undeniable that galea size and posture ARE directly linked to hair loss without a study, once you accept this and learn how to spot the signs, you can literally see it in every man every day.

This thread went off topic ages ago, but the underlying theory discussed is the main reason for male pattern baldness.

It's so obvious at this stage, the real question is how to combat this and maintain or restore growth, as shaving skull bone down isn't really an option!

True but let's say you know someone working somewhere where you can do these scans. Ask a few men atleast to do scans. Then analyse that. It can be start. A sample size to start doesn't have to be big. I'm not sure the cost of this but more manageable than an actual study.
Heck maybe we can use existing scans with patient pictures if they could be assessed, but occasionally information is publicly available already tho I haven't looked yet.

Ofcourse like you said it's unlikely anything will be done with it. However there may still be ways for those interested. At this point leave the "it's all genetics" people behind. They're just dead weight. If you don't shoot your shot you already lost.

Even if it's skull bone. Soft tissue itself is flexible. The androgen, inflammation etc. stop that due to increased collagen expression. During onset of Androgenetic Alopecia combined with inflammation, fibrosis etc.

Even tho I don't agree with everything he says. The guy with the website. I believe he did an "ultimate hairloss flowchart". I think perfect hairhealth. Posted pictures of people with huge heads and not balding. That same principle may be used. Restoring fat tissue. Softening tissue and skin. Then regrowing vascular tissue. I mean bones supposedly continue growing. But that doesn't suddenly cause issues in local skin due to the body adapting. Which doesn't happen in Androgenetic Alopecia.

The goal regardless of increased skull size/shape

Essentially going from androgenic, inflammatory, fibrotic, hypoxic, increased collagen decreased adipose skin.

To
Balanced hormonal, normal oxygenation, increased healthy adipose, antiinflammatory, decrease collagen? Increased elastin, increase angio/vasculogenesis.

How this will be done in not fully sure anyone who knows or can research will be appreciated.

 

[justinbieberscombover]

Money, or should I say the money lost to the hair loss industry if the real reason was widely known. Even if a study proved this theory it would be gunned down big big pharma, and even most hair loss sufferers would not accept it (as seen in this forum)

BUT....It's undeniable that galea size and posture ARE directly linked to hair loss without a study, once you accept this and learn how to spot the signs, you can literally see it in every man every day.

This thread went off topic ages ago, but the underlying theory discussed is the main reason for male pattern baldness.

It's so obvious at this stage, the real question is how to combat this and maintain or restore growth, as shaving skull bone down isn't really an option!

True but let's say you know someone working somewhere where you can do these scans. Ask a few men atleast to do scans. Then analyse that. It can be start. A sample size to start doesn't have to be big. I'm not sure the cost of this but more manageable than an actual study.
Heck maybe we can use existing scans with patient pictures if they could be assessed, but occasionally information is publicly available already tho I haven't looked yet.

Ofcourse like you said it's unlikely anything will be done with it. However there may still be ways for those interested. At this point leave the "it's all genetics" people behind. They're just dead weight. If you don't shoot your shot you already lost.

Even if it's skull bone. Soft tissue itself is flexible. The androgen, inflammation etc. stop that due to increased collagen expression. During onset of Androgenetic Alopecia combined with inflammation, fibrosis etc.

Even tho I don't agree with everything he says. The guy with the website. I believe he did an "ultimate hairloss flowchart". I think perfect hairhealth. Posted pictures of people with huge heads and not balding. That same principle may be used. Restoring fat tissue. Softening tissue and skin. Then regrowing vascular tissue. I mean bones supposedly continue growing. But that doesn't suddenly cause issues in local skin due to the body adapting. Which doesn't happen in Androgenetic Alopecia.

The goal regardless of increased skull size/shape

Essentially going from androgenic, inflammatory, fibrotic, hypoxic, increased collagen decreased adipose skin.

To
Balanced hormonal, normal oxygenation, increased healthy adipose, antiinflammatory, decrease collagen? Increased elastin, increase angio/vasculogenesis.

How this will be done in not fully sure anyone who knows or can research will be appreciated.

Richie talking to himself here lol @Mr. Slap Head

 

[Ritchie]

Richie talking to himself here lol @Mr. Slap Head

I swear to god you are so damn pathetic. Both times I've come back to this site it's you either pinging me or reacting to an old message. One acc is new but the other one has enough post history to prove we're different people, according to u I have 4 alts now. These ppl aren't me but believe whatever u want, baldy.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

I swear to god you are so damn pathetic. Both times I've come back to this site it's you either pinging me or reacting to an old message. One acc is new but the other one has enough post history to prove we're different people, according to u I have 4 alts now. These ppl aren't me but believe whatever u want, baldy.

Why so emotional? lol

 

[Ritchie]

Pathetic bald loser who accuses people of paranoia shows clear signs of paranoia. Goodbye for the second and maybe last time. This site is a lost cause.

 

[Ritchie]

Why so emotional? lol

Oh look it's the guy who keeps ban evading on a site that doesn't want him. Ima just ignore your profile since we've already done this before.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

Lmao

 

[Renovation]

True but let's say you know someone working somewhere where you can do these scans. Ask a few men atleast to do scans. Then analyse that. It can be start. A sample size to start doesn't have to be big. I'm not sure the cost of this but more manageable than an actual study.
Heck maybe we can use existing scans with patient pictures if they could be assessed, but occasionally information is publicly available already tho I haven't looked yet.

Ofcourse like you said it's unlikely anything will be done with it. However there may still be ways for those interested. At this point leave the "it's all genetics" people behind. They're just dead weight. If you don't shoot your shot you already lost.

Even if it's skull bone. Soft tissue itself is flexible. The androgen, inflammation etc. stop that due to increased collagen expression. During onset of Androgenetic Alopecia combined with inflammation, fibrosis etc.

Even tho I don't agree with everything he says. The guy with the website. I believe he did an "ultimate hairloss flowchart". I think perfect hairhealth. Posted pictures of people with huge heads and not balding. That same principle may be used. Restoring fat tissue. Softening tissue and skin. Then regrowing vascular tissue. I mean bones supposedly continue growing. But that doesn't suddenly cause issues in local skin due to the body adapting. Which doesn't happen in Androgenetic Alopecia.

The goal regardless of increased skull size/shape

Essentially going from androgenic, inflammatory, fibrotic, hypoxic, increased collagen decreased adipose skin.

To
Balanced hormonal, normal oxygenation, increased healthy adipose, antiinflammatory, decrease collagen? Increased elastin, increase angio/vasculogenesis.

How this will be done in not fully sure anyone who knows or can research will be appreciated.

I'm nearly 40, had a hair transplant in my mid 20s which helped but has also thinned over the last 5 or so years, so I have zero time for responding to the trolls you mention. The big three have their place though and the theory discussed here aligns with that, but some people just don't want to believe it. Ok not surprised with them coming on here with all the crap on this thread with rating people's looks based on facial symmetry. Im not drawn on the symmetry aspect, more the posture, neck muscles and tight galea and this thread almost lost its purpose.

The only other thread I've paid this much attention to was the long MSM thread a couple years ago, and I still micro dose MSM mainly for other health benefits.

Increasing scalp flexibility or pretty much what you have mentioned regarding reducing inflammation, increase scalp fat and tissue etc. Loosening neck muscles, focussing on posture, better and deeper nose breathing are all helping me move in the right direction.

Few will believe this and kind of hard to describe, but if I lie on my back and manage to fall asleep with my head in position on a low pillow so it basically pushes the galea skin up from behind (almost like simulating a loose galea, if you touch the top of scalp when in this position it's really soft and loose) in the morning it's like my hair has gained volume overnight and my hair has a thick straw like texture. I know this for a fact, and if I sleep on side or stomach my hair is so limp, and even lying on my back in the good position on a couch for half an hour gives my hair added texture and sets me up for the day although the effect is temporary it demonstrates what reducing scalp tension even for a short period can do.

I agree a proper study wouldn't be a bad thing, but I genuinely don't need one to get my head around this theory and like I said I see it every day in almost everyone I meet, first thing I see with bald or thinning person is either a huge galea and/or a skinny neck from the back and can see a very curved cervical spine, which leads to compression around C7 and C6. People with thick hair tend to have either a smaller galea and/or a more aligned cervical spine with less of an obvious curve at back, and also usually but not always, a prominent Adams apple.

No coincidence that I had a trapped nerve in my early 20s when I lost most of my hair, and when I do the lying down thing above I see immediate positive effects as I flatten and restore the cervical spine whilst reducing tension on the scalp skin and stop compressing my hair follicles!

No easy fix to this but I will get there, with out another transplant!

 

[Renovation]

True but let's say you know someone working somewhere where you can do these scans. Ask a few men atleast to do scans. Then analyse that. It can be start. A sample size to start doesn't have to be big. I'm not sure the cost of this but more manageable than an actual study.
Heck maybe we can use existing scans with patient pictures if they could be assessed, but occasionally information is publicly available already tho I haven't looked yet.

Ofcourse like you said it's unlikely anything will be done with it. However there may still be ways for those interested. At this point leave the "it's all genetics" people behind. They're just dead weight. If you don't shoot your shot you already lost.

Even if it's skull bone. Soft tissue itself is flexible. The androgen, inflammation etc. stop that due to increased collagen expression. During onset of Androgenetic Alopecia combined with inflammation, fibrosis etc.

Even tho I don't agree with everything he says. The guy with the website. I believe he did an "ultimate hairloss flowchart". I think perfect hairhealth. Posted pictures of people with huge heads and not balding. That same principle may be used. Restoring fat tissue. Softening tissue and skin. Then regrowing vascular tissue. I mean bones supposedly continue growing. But that doesn't suddenly cause issues in local skin due to the body adapting. Which doesn't happen in Androgenetic Alopecia.

The goal regardless of increased skull size/shape

Essentially going from androgenic, inflammatory, fibrotic, hypoxic, increased collagen decreased adipose skin.

To
Balanced hormonal, normal oxygenation, increased healthy adipose, antiinflammatory, decrease collagen? Increased elastin, increase angio/vasculogenesis.

How this will be done in not fully sure anyone who knows or can research will be appreciated.

Just to add I agree with the fibrosis and calcification hence raised DHT being part of the effect of scalp tension which is the result of what's been discussed in this thread and my previous post, but what's your take on collagen?

I know supplements are meant to increase skin elasticity, but there are so many health benefits. I've always been undecided on collagen, do you think it's detrimental to reducing scalp tension even if inflammation and calcification etc is addressed?

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 It's not only unattractive men who struggle. Unattractive women struggle aswell. They don't get appoached, asked on a date, catcalled etc. If think of women who are over 25 and never had a boyfriend chances are they are below 5. Same goes for women who are single in 30's and don't have children. They are like this because of their dating difficulties and struggles to find a partner.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

@nimayazdani78 It's not only unattractive men who struggle. Unattractive women struggle aswell. They don't get appoached, asked on a date, catcalled etc. If think of women who are over 25 and never had a boyfriend chances are they are below 5. Same goes for women who are single in 30's and don't have children. They are like this because of their dating difficulties and struggles to find a partner.

You’re an incel, stfu

 

[Mitko1]

@nimayazdani78 One of the reasons I disagree with Wheat Waffles is because what he represents as a Chad is extremely rare in real life. I don't remember ever seeing a guy like this. The same goes for the female version Stacy.

Average looking people are what we have gotten used to see and they look enough beautiful and desirable for us. I have heard many times from men calling a female normie very beautiful and their ideal type for a woman. Women also fall in love with male normies and simp over them.

For example Canella is 5/10 and has average looking face on my scale but I always viewed her as a very hot girl

If I didn't know anything about craniofacial development I would probably think that she's 9/10 and very beautiful. Now I would say she's 5/10. In online dating a chad will have advantage because there are thousands of people and there will be one in less than 1 per 100 profiles snd he will catch attention and put the other men backwards in queue. But in real life nope. A man 5/10 or above with normal bmi, clean hair and nice clothes would do fine.