I actually doubt your a musician or a "rock star". Unless your a phoney going for a look. Becauae if you really heard a song, sound or voice that made you want to become a musician then you would know you couldn't care what, who or what made that sound. You would of just cared about the sound not what the person or thing looked like producing the sound. And if you fell in love with music because of some guy with long hair and decided to pursue a career bc they looked cool than your clearly more lost than most of us.
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So you think someone as talented as him. People would of heard his music and not liked it if he was bald? Music is one of those things were looks, personality, character traits don't matter. I mean look at Adele, she doesn't look like your typical pop star. You can also be a horrible human being but as long as you produce good music. Ya know music you hear don't see than your fine.
Bobbie Darren famously said, "People hear with their eyes" or "People hear what they see". You're the one who's wrong dude. Fans don't want bald ugly pop stars. Fans will accept bald pop stars once they have established themselves but not in the beginning. They even have a term called "rock-n-roll hair". Dude where are all of the entry level bald rock stars? And don't talk about hip-hop or rap stars. I said rock.
Here's WIKI talking about becoming a rocker. Note step number 4 and note that bald is NOT one of the options.
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Rocker
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I think that he would have had to wear a wig early in his career if he had been bald.
So if you went around and pulled people who their favorite musician they would say blah blah blah, and asked why is he your favorite? You think the answer would be because he looks cool! Your absolutely senile if you think the poll would go that way. So if that was true then music would always be with imagery. We wouldn't have radios stations we would just have MTV. But ay Yo look MTV died because pple dont care about music videos. They enjoy the music.
Look at people like Stevie Wonder and Adele...Looks don't matter in music
Lol so Wikipedia now defines what a rock star is. What do you have to make successfully to be come a rock star.....music. Music defines if you become a star or not not your looks or hair....
Look at people like Stevie Wonder and Adele...Looks don't matter in music
Lol so Wikipedia now defines what a rock star is. What do you have to make successfully to be come a rock star.....music. Music defines if you become a star or not not your looks or hair....
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Damn, beat me to it. I wanted to make a thread going like: "There are people like us..."
"And then people like David Bowie who die a thick NW1 at 69 years old."
What a blissful life he must have lived. Well, he didn't really, but I don't think a NW5 in his youth would have eased his burden.
His hair was like 50% of his career. The other 50% was great and innovative pop music.
Excelent long hair , as a girl...what coincidence, long hair and no hairloss...
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Long Hair, jejejeje
None of what you're saying speaks to my point. You're dense. It doesn't matter what people say in polls about established musicians. Our dispute is about rockers in the beginning of their careers. You can't even perceive what you're talking about while you are talking about it. What a dense person you are.
David Cassidy has no talent but fans bought a lot of his records because they liked the way he looked and in the minds of his fans at the time he was an artist. LOL!
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Doubt no more: I am NOT a musician or rock star. I never said I was. I said I am a rocker and by that I meant I'm into rock music. A fan. I do not listen to rap or hip hop at all. I do not like them. I do not like soul. I do not like disco. None of these are rock. Rock is rock.
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What do you mean I'm more lost than most of us? You're the only one saying the sh!t that you're saying. Everyone else is saying similar stuff to what I'm saying. You can not perceive the obvious point right before your eyes that you have NO support for your position. This proves your perception problems, and your perception problems are also the reason you can't perceive the importance of hair to a rockstar early in his career. You simply aren't a perceptive person.
You used a quote people hear with there eyes. If that was true there would only be music videos now a days no radio stations. Your dense not even being able to make a connection to my last post proving that theory wrong. Your senile if you think musicians only have fans because of looks. You clearly lack reading comprehension and or the mental capacity to make clear argumentative connections. So I'll make things easy for you. On the radio you hear a single. You like the song you buy it. I have never heard anyone say Oh I was going to buy that song but I decided not to I saw that guy and he was bald or he was ugly. Looks can help your career, but being ugly or bald won't break one.
And what support are you talking about most the people commenting on this thread aren't David Bowie fans. Actually many of their opinions are biased because they envy his norwood 1 at 69. I'm sure if you asked his fans they would say they wouldn't care if had had hair.
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And I'm pretty much done arguing with some when their pulling up wiki articles of how to be a rock star to support there argument lol.
I believe your allegation that people aren't reporting to you when they reject a disc because they don't like the way the artist looks. That's people for ya. And I am so pissed about it. It's very annoying that sometimes these incorrigible consumers are actually rejecting discs without reporting the reason why to you. I don't know what to say. Maybe they didn't know they were supposed to report that information to you. I myself didn't know it until just now, and I must admit that I myself have never reported that information to you. I didn't know that YOU are the storage facility for that information. LOL!!! You actually expect consumers owe it to you to report their reasons to you when they reject a disc. Give me a break! Oh and by the way, you rarely hear women admit that they don't like bald guys so does that mean you believe that women actually DO love bald men? LOL! People don't always say what's on their minds and they don't always say what they really mean. But of course you're unaware of this because you're dense and imperceptive.
I also noticed that you've taken to calling me dense AFTER I called you dense. You can't even come up with your own insults.
Your statement that if people were visual then there would only be music videos and no radio is (you guessed it) dense and imperceptive. A lot of the time people listen to the radio they're driving a car or doing some other activity that prevents them from watching TV. I'm not senile but you are very dense and imperceptive. You're so dense and imperceptive that you don't get it that people can't drive around while watching music videos. There are a lot of things people can't do while watching music videos, and you actually need me to tell you this. Incredible. Also, the statement about people hearing what they see wasn't my statement; it was Bobby Darren's statement. Yea, that Bobby Darren - the one who actually was a pop star and wore a hairpiece to conceal his baldness.
And I notice you still haven't produced a list of bald entry-level rockers without including other musical styles such as rap or hip-hop or soul or disco, etc, etc, etc. Like I already said, Rock is rock.
And my point about wiki is that even they know hair is a pre-requisite for a career in rock. Almost everyone knows it. Do you have any idea how many articles there are on the internet talking about "rock-n-roll hair" and how it's a pre-requisite for rock stars to have hair, and how rock and hair go together, and how virtually all entry level rockstars have a bunch of hair...usually long hair?
And I will add that EVEN AFTER the entry level, hair is WAY preferential for rockstars and the overwhelming majority of rock stars have a bunch of hair. Even after the entry level it's ALMOST a requirement. One of the reasons the Beatles got rid of Pete Best is because he wouldn't wear his hair the same as the other Beatles. If you're bald and you try to join a rock band and all the other members have a bunch of long hair you're probably going to get rejected unless you play your musical instrument at a phenomenal level. Yes there are some rock musicians that don't have hair but they're the exception rather than the rule. And even most of those "exceptions" are rockers with legendary status who are given a pass (by the industry and their fans) on the hair issue because of their legendary status. The reason you can't perceive this is because you're (here we go again) dense and imperceptive.
Goodbye. I don't have anymore time for your dense imperceptiveness.
Alice Cooper: "I told her that I came from New York City, and I play guitar in a long-haired rock-n-roll band"
Paul McCartney: "We got long hair at the Madisson Square."
Five Man Electrical Band:
And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said "You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do"
So I took off my hat, I said "Imagine that. Huh! Me workin' for you!"
This first verse of a song by five man electrical band really symbolizes what hair is to rockers.
Big long hair is about rebellion and attitude. Hair is part of rock-n-roll.
Bro you hear with your ears that is scientific fact. People like what they hear they buy it. When you can scientifically prove prove people hear with there eyes than come talk to me.
Never did I say I expect people to report to me. Putting words in my mouth because I beat down your weak Wikipedia argument. But honestly have you ever heard of anyone not buying records becauae of looks? If looks were as important as you say it is than that would be happening all the time. I also produced lists that you claim didn't meet your requirements. People were listing balding musicians and I joined in. There were no prerequisites for the list you simply made them up to support your argument. First they weren't bald enough then they had to be rockers. See how your warping things to support yourself. Your one of those people that twists things and name calls because you lack the mind to create and support a point.
But I feel bad for you. Your quite immature for your age. You lack deductive reasoning and logic. You seem to lack social skills the way you interact with other users on the forum.
Also it appears you lack social skills. You have way bigger problems than hairloss.
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Also read the front page people were saying his career would of been over if he was noticably balding. Or would of lost all his hair after the start of his career. They talk about longevity of his career correlated to his hair. So I said I don't think it would of mattered and set of a list of guys who had long careers and hairloss. Supporting my side that had he lost his hair that it would not of effected his career.
See as I said you lack reading comprehension and obviously didn't understand what we were originally talking about. So warp and twist things for the sake of I dk? Looks like you have nothing better to do than argue...
Never did I say I expect people to report to me. Putting words in my mouth because I beat down your weak Wikipedia argument. But honestly have you ever heard of anyone not buying records becauae of looks? If looks were as important as you say it is than that would be happening all the time. I also produced lists that you claim didn't meet your requirements. People were listing balding musicians and I joined in. There were no prerequisites for the list you simply made them up to support your argument. First they weren't bald enough then they had to be rockers. See how your warping things to support yourself. Your one of those people that twists things and name calls because you lack the mind to create and support a point.
But I feel bad for you. Your quite immature for your age. You lack deductive reasoning and logic. You seem to lack social skills the way you interact with other users on the forum.
Also it appears you lack social skills. You have way bigger problems than hairloss.
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Also read the front page people were saying his career would of been over if he was noticably balding. Or would of lost all his hair after the start of his career. They talk about longevity of his career correlated to his hair. So I said I don't think it would of mattered and set of a list of guys who had long careers and hairloss. Supporting my side that had he lost his hair that it would not of effected his career.
See as I said you lack reading comprehension and obviously didn't understand what we were originally talking about. So warp and twist things for the sake of I dk? Looks like you have nothing better to do than argue...
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Too true, my friend. He woulda been a laughing stock!!!
Being a musician really is all about looks. I've been into rock n roll for 20 years and image is a huge part of their mass appeal. Also, lots of musicians get into the music for women and very rarely will a bald guy be regarded as a sex symbol, since baldness oftentimes signifies old age and ugliness. I just refer to some of my favorite bands. Kiss would've never been nearly as huge as they were if they were 4 bald guys with facepaint. Motley Crue wouldn't have popularized the 80s arena rock movement (and look) if Nikki Sixx was an NW6 instead of having a bouffant of jet black hair. I've always loved 80s hard rock (bands like Ratt, Poison, Whitesnake, etc.) and these guys would've never even been a consideration if they were young NW5 guys.
Sure, lots of these guys are balding now (in their 50's), but as was stated before, these guys were already established as worldwide phenomenons, firmly established and entrenched in the music business, and already had millions of adoring fans all over the world. And even then, guys like Paul Stanley or Nikki Sixx (I think) still wear wigs because there is a certain image that they need to portray.
Bowie's music was obviously great but his image was huge. His Ziggy Stardust character defined 70s glam and influenced lots of my 80s rock musicians. They called it 70s glam for a reason and something tells me that it wouldn't have been nearly as glamorous if he was sporting a horseshoe bald hairstyle. He'd probably be regarded as looking like an old man.
Sure, lots of these guys are balding now (in their 50's), but as was stated before, these guys were already established as worldwide phenomenons, firmly established and entrenched in the music business, and already had millions of adoring fans all over the world. And even then, guys like Paul Stanley or Nikki Sixx (I think) still wear wigs because there is a certain image that they need to portray.
Bowie's music was obviously great but his image was huge. His Ziggy Stardust character defined 70s glam and influenced lots of my 80s rock musicians. They called it 70s glam for a reason and something tells me that it wouldn't have been nearly as glamorous if he was sporting a horseshoe bald hairstyle. He'd probably be regarded as looking like an old man.
blackg
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I don't want to "pull" anyone thanks!!
shookwun
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Do you mind me asking what you do in rock-n-roll? Are you a listener or are you actually involved in making music and selling music or anything like that?
blackg
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correct.
(van halen)
Haha...Imagine the 4 of them bald!! No future, No record contract, NO Van Halen!! End of story!!
What a joke. If Van Halen members were bald in their late teens the band would have never existed.
Rock stars are supposed to be big-hair studs. That's part of their image. Rock music and big-hair are joined at the hip in terms
of image.
David Cassidy was at the very weak end of pop music and I know that. He produced teeny-bopper schlock and I understand that.
But David Cassidy sold a lot of records and made huge amounts of money and to his fans he had rock-n-roll allure even though he
didn't really deserve credit for that. His fans bestowed the rock-n-roll image on him because he was beautiful and they loved the
way he looked. Would he have been beautiful without his hair? Would his fans have bestowed the rock-star image on him without
his hair? Did even his fans really like his songs or did his fans just think they liked his songs because they loved the way he looked?
If music stardom was all about musical talent then David Cassidy would never have been heard of and he wouldn't have sold all of those
records, and he sold a lot of records.
The fact that so many people loved David Cassidy's songs and bought his records when he was beautiful proves that people hear what
they see just like Bobby Darren said.
And if two different men, one bald and the other good-looking with a full head of hair, say the exact same words to the exact same
woman, it will sound better to her coming from the good-looking guy with a full head of hair because she's hearing what she's seeing.
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If you want to know what Bowies career would have looked like minus the hair, one need only look as far as Brain Eno. Eno was a contempoaray of bowie both of which came up in the glam scene. And although eno was a musical genius, he only gathered a niche following and went on to collaberate with other grat artists like U2, but always behind the scenes.
There was a time when looks didnt dominate the music industry and guys like rod stewart, eddie money and the lead singer of scorpions passed as rockstars, but times have changed and contrary to what someone is saying here, looks are now paramont now even before talent in this modern music industry.
I've even been told after hearing me sing a recent song that that music wasnt MEANT for me. Really? I thought music was meant for everyone to enjoy, shyt my bad.
Should music be just about the music? Absolutely, just as much as we as people should be judged by the quality of our character and not by our shell....but being able to distinguish between what should be as an ideal and what is as reality becomes critical.
There was a time when looks didnt dominate the music industry and guys like rod stewart, eddie money and the lead singer of scorpions passed as rockstars, but times have changed and contrary to what someone is saying here, looks are now paramont now even before talent in this modern music industry.
I've even been told after hearing me sing a recent song that that music wasnt MEANT for me. Really? I thought music was meant for everyone to enjoy, shyt my bad.
Should music be just about the music? Absolutely, just as much as we as people should be judged by the quality of our character and not by our shell....but being able to distinguish between what should be as an ideal and what is as reality becomes critical.
Rod Stewart did get away with being UNbeautiful but he still did have big beautiful hair. He single-handedly invented the shag haircut. Eddie Money had big beautiful hair and the leader of the scorpions did too.