Desperate... Turned Away By Dr. Rahal

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I think you're honest as hell, I really appreciate that, but can y'all agree my temples are very receding without temple points also?

Because that's what I aim to fix ^^


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hey you shudn't confuse age with baldness.
if a man has stabilised nw3 pattern baldness in his 20's he can be a good candidate for hair transplant
but this celebrity guy is in norwood 1.5, he would look worse with hair restoration at this point.
The transplanted hair won't look normal with the hair behind it. Damn sure abt it that's why he was turned away by Rahal.

i agree 100%

like i just said it depends on your maturity and understanding of the situation.

a guy in his early 20s who has just started losing his hair (like this guy has) is a completely different guy to a 28 year old who has been balding for a while and understands what the f*** is going on.......meds, hair transplants, how hairloss works etc etc.

and in general a guy in his late 20's might as well be decades apart from a guy in his early 20's

his will ruin his life getting surgery
 

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I think you're honest as hell, I really appreciate that, but can y'all agree my temples are very receding without temple points also?


Because that's what I aim to fix ^^
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don't do anything at this point. You will regret later if you go for the transplant.
You are just in Norwood 1.5 stage.

this is called temple recession.

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now compare this with your photos, do u notice the difference?
 

sunchyme1

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sh*t man its hard to explain this kind of stuff to a kid. hes in his own world right now. he wants to be a nw1. anything less is pointless

i get it man. we all thought the same. but its bullshit.

stay on meds and see how things go for a few years

if you progress to a nw3 then go for it man.

but do not get surgery right now. you will regret it. you dont understand this right now. but you will in a few years
 

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I'm kind of in the same position. Norwood 1.5-2 and I'm 21 and have been on finasteride for a couple of years and it has been great. I would love for the hairline to be a little more straight though. My hair is still thick and looks really good though.

If the meds are doing the job at maintaining/thickening, why do you suggest we can't fix our hairline just a little bit? We wouldn't be using many grafts anyway. Are you just saying this in case the meds stop working and our hair takes a turn for the worst? I'm just curious what your thoughts are. Personally, I am holding off on the transplant because I don't really need one at the moment and the meds might continue to regrow my hairline and also there seems to be new promising treatments coming out that might work better than hair transplantation.
 

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I'm kind of in the same position. Norwood 1.5-2 and I'm 21 and have been on finasteride for a couple of years and it has been great. I would love for the hairline to be a little more straight though. My hair is still thick and looks really good though.

If the meds are doing the job at maintaining/thickening, why do you suggest we can't fix our hairline just a little bit? We wouldn't be using many grafts anyway. Are you just saying this in case the meds stop working and our hair takes a turn for the worst? I'm just curious what your thoughts are. Personally, I am holding off on the transplant because I don't really need one at the moment and the meds might continue to regrow my hairline and also there seems to be new promising treatments coming out that might work better than hair transplantation.

listen my frnd
transplanted hair doesn't have the same dense packing as the natural hair does.
transplant hair has half the density as compared to normal hair no matter how good is your transplant.
it just gives the illusion of dense hair and this is where the role of surgeon plays a lot. It's like an artwork for them.
these transplants have a lot of flaws but as these are covered over a larger part ppl can't make out those flaws and generally go undetected.
when transplant is done on the small part like the hairline (especially when you have a lot of healthy hair at the back of it), they will be so obvious to a naked eye that u will regret because there eye can catch the difference in density.

hairline restoration at NW3 is the earliest stage where the skilled surgeon can control the density factor to give it a natural look.
 
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@CelebritiesBalding

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Ye, that guy has way more recession than me, but still you can see I don't have temple points too, right?

And I think receding temples (especially my right one, not the photo you took as example, which is my left temple) and lack of temple points justify my wish of having a transplant done, I think it's enough if your whole objective is to fix/restore your original hairline.

Also, many celebrities fixed their hairline before going Norwood 3, like Bradley Cooper (he was barely Norwood 2) and Ben Affleck, and their transplant is very obvious to the eye but still they don't have noticeable differences in density.

Plus, what I'd like to get is to have my hairline back, which is very similar to Christian Bale's one (that's why I brought this example up)

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I think it's pretty easy for a world-class skilled surgeon like Dr. Rahal (I repeat, I think he's the best in the game for youthful and dense hairlines) to give me that back, ok, maybe 23 is not the most suitable age but still, in a few years (when I'll be 25-26), since I'll maintain my hair + further thickening by Duta (just started with that after 1 year and a half on finasteride) and Minoxidil, I think I'll be able to go that way (IF Dr. Rahal will accept me, I'm not considering any other surgeon because I really think he's one the best, out of question, and of course he's the best for hairlines like I said).

The point is being on meds won't regrow my temples and hairline, we all know that, then I don't know nothing but a top hair transplant to have my hairline back... that's the point
 

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Prior to having my surgery Rahal turned away a 21 year old with diffuse hair loss.




This guy is doing what's in the best of your interests.

listen my frnd
transplanted hair doesn't have the same dense packing as the natural hair does.
transplant hair has half the density as compared to normal hair no matter how good is your transplant.
it just gives the illusion of dense hair and this is where the role of surgeon plays a lot. It's like an artwork for them.
these transplants have a lot of flaws but as these are covered over a larger part ppl can't make out those flaws and generally go undetected.
when transplant is done on the small part like the hairline (especially when you have a lot of healthy hair at the back of it), they will be so obvious to a naked eye that u will regret because there eye can catch the difference in density.

hairline restoration at NW3 is the earliest stage where the skilled surgeon can control the density factor to give it a natural look.


He has a hard time understanding this.

Transplants absolutely never replace native density. it's an illusion of layering, and parting that gives it the appearance of looking natural to the un trained eye. What happens when this guy get transplanted, and he ends up with reasonable density, but it doesn't match the native surrounding hair. He will be left with a see through pluggy wall behind thick terminal hair. Will end up looking worse then he did prior to surgery.


Most people who go for transplants have lost considerable amount of hair across there entire head, despite showing only bald temples. That was my particular case. I might have been only a NW3 prior to my first hair transplant, but under a magnifying glass I have lost density all over my entire head compared to my sides, and back. Transplants work, but not well for people with unfirorm density, and thick hair that's comparable to the sides, and back. it's 100% impossible to replicate this density.

When I shave my head, you can see the horse shoe. grown out, the layers make it appear better then it actually is.

my point is, transplanting on a head with virtually no hairloss is absolutely stupid. I don't care if you have a little bit of temples angle loss.

Not enough reason to warrant a hair transplant. the risk to reward is simply not worth it.




A lot of guys don't understand this. They see polished photos of a surgeons best work, and think anyhting can happen.


I had my head transpanted, and I am telling you as a former rahal patient.. under the right lightning I was left with a visible NW3 outline despite having been restored. Simply cannot replicate native density, which leaves me going for another transplant to go over the same area with roughly an additional 2k graft's. This is with a balding head, not a thick head such as the OPS.

this guy is making a huge mistake. He will still have the bald temple look with massive density behind. essentially leaving a cobweb appearance.
 

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The point is being on meds won't regrow my temples and hairline, we all know that, then I don't know nothing but a top hair transplant to have my hairline back... that's the point
You can end up destroying your looks.....that's the whole point.
when baldness hits, u will have to forget about the celebrity status unless u have great aesthetics to pull off that bald look.
just don't go for the transplant now when you have so many years left in your hand and especially when so many non-invasive treatments are going to hit the market.
 

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Ok guys, ok.. you're starting to set me on this reasoning, I give you that...

Problem, STILL: receding temples and a little bit of front thinning (a bit, not very noticeable), how can I fix it (which means restoring my original hairline) without a hair transplant?

Should I wait for Replicel, Histogen and Brotzu lotion, have a combo of these three meds and eventually go with a FUE touch-up to refill what I haven't gotten with them, and all this mixed up together will end up giving me my hairline (straight and thick with temple points) back again?

I'm just trying to analyze the problem, not simply by saying "hair transplants don't/can't replicate your natural density, don't do it, """", I'm just trying to raise the bar aiming at the solution
 

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Wait buddy.

take it from someone who actually has experience with transplants, and has been balding for over a decade.



You dont even have real hair loss. i.e the ugly U shape bald temples. ( you have a widows peak with angle loss.

what happens when you get a similar result to this guy, which is common? that see through pluggy appearance of a NW3 outline.



Lol at tthinking everyones result looks like the ones post by doctors over at hair transplant n3twork



This is most common
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pretty sure most docs would aim for your EXISTING hairline when doing hair transplant's on lower norwoods. you dont need any work done, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that you have solid density.
 

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Dude, forget about getting back your juvenile hairline with a transplant. You're only 23, use whats available to at the moment, learn to accept yourself and use this time to get the most out of life, you've still got decent hair. In five years you will be 28 and will still be young, there will be other options by then.
 

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Ok but the fact is, STILL: starting with my hairline (receding temples and without temple points) how I can get my hairline back?

Meds only work to maintain/thicken.

hair transplant is out of question, right, then what??
 

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Can't hair transplants give you normal density at the hairline if you use a lot of grafts and have thick donor hair and if you don't have a large area to cover? I've seen pretty impressive results on the hairline/temples.
 
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