DWAT: Dermal White Adipose Tissue Hypothesis

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Dr. Tsuji is currently developing a regenerative follicle organ with further improvements. This is because it became clear to his RIKEN team that besides hair follicles, the SURROUNDING SCALP TISSUE is also damaged in severe cases of androgenetic alopecia )(Androgenetic Alopecia).

 

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Yes, there is something wrong in the scalp & inside the skull causing male pattern baldness..
There are all kinds of theories & hypotheses- and I appreciate all of them..
It seems to me the critical starting point is the hair follicles are being slowly starved of the nutrients, blood flow necessary to grow. It’s like a plant slowly dying.
Men seem to be prone to balding much more than women..
Remember the famous letter to the editor in response to male pattern baldness in the 1920’s.. The Ivory Dome.. where a guy did 80 autopsies & Brain extractions for medical students. He noticed the skulls of men who were balding had an increased calcification of the foramens (holes in skull) where veins & arteries pass through, pinching blood supply to the scalp. If true— no wonder there is no cure— no one can see the problem. Like a hose that is pinched.. no water flow.
Be that as it may.. calcification is normal & necessary to solidify the top of the skull, but the calcification of the “holes” in skull where veins bloodflow flow is not.
I suspect other channels- potassium channel might also be blocked. which feeds the cells & tissues. We see minoxidil a potassium channel opener & Spirolactone use helping hair growth.
As a child the skull is still growing & men have bigger skulls than women.
So I thought I throw that out .. The men who had the thick luxuriant hair had significantly less calcification of the foramens. 80 specimen - small sample to be sure..
 

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I'm not sure whether I believe adipose tissue is the only factor but it definitely plays a role.

DHT eats away at adipose tissue. And I believe I read a study saying it causes increased inflammation in adipose too.
Women and men with this condition generally have higher dht or dht conversion in scalp and often serum too.

I believe that this is at part induced environmentally not exclusive genetically as everyone claims. If you study the condition of obesity. You will see that it's characterized by inflamed hypoxic fat. Different people are different, and different fat tissue is different. So obviously this is not manifested the same in everyone.

There's a hate train on fat tissue but this may be partially misplaced. If fat tissue works properly it can help reduce the impact on other tissues. From excess lipids and I believe glucose. We have fat for a reason and it's function is complex.

I'm not fully sure the pathology since I don't have that much time to piece it together and research. But unhealthy fat causes inflammation like said for obesity. Increased fibrosis, hypertrophy and reduced angiogenesis. Which could be problems for hair growth and healthy tissue as it stops proper functioning. Studies show the exact factors in Androgenetic Alopecia pathology.

I'm assuming that similar principles apply and are found androgenic alopecia as well as other conditions.
At part because these conditions are all associated in studies. In the ones they are not. It may simply be that the condition had subsided at time of study. But I need to research this more.

Obese adipose has less vascularity, larger fat cell size, more inflammation, more fibrosis, hypoxia, higher apoptosis etc. thus not a healthy tissue. Healthy tissue is the opposite. Better vascularity, smaller cells, no hypoxia, adipose tissue is more insulin sensitivity able to secrete positive factors. There's endless studies on this. It's this very sensible that poor adipose creates poor growing environment. Which could ofcourse affect hair.

While there's genetic influences and differences. It's mostly environmentally induced, life style. Sedentary, high fat, high sugar.

High fat diet is a direct factor in obesity. And I believe high sugar diet has shown to increase DHT.
I'll be the most honest and admit that this was my diet for the last 10 years. And I'm surprised I haven't gone bald earlier and more aggressively looking back now. And things could've been different.

Another thing about high T and DHT. Is that they inhibit adipogenesis. The process of expanding fat. AND they increase collagen expression. While E increases elastin. Elastin causes more flexibility while collagen causes rigidity. Both are needed but too rigid and the tissue looses plasticity. And seizes to function properly.

I'm speculating that the increased dht causes inflammation, increased collagen expression. Chronic inflammation causes fibrosis. Increased collagen may be a substrate for that.

This lack of plasticity is not able to react to stimuli properly, causing insulin resistance and inability to properly cope with increased demands. Creating this cycle in Which the body reacts with increased dht.

Something similar may happen around the hair follicles. As the condition progresses so does fibrosis. And thus the inability to expand and flex properly. This leads to hypoxia. Which I believe further increases dht conversion as a response to the stress. This cycle builds up. And due to the difficulty of removing fibrosis. The fibrosis builds up and takes up space from the adipose, blood vessels and hair follicles. That's likely why it's hard to reverse this condition. Even if we can stop one of the main driving factors.

Obviously you guys already have this figured out to some extent.
Hence speculating ways to reduce this.
I still have to figure out the exact steps and ofcourse full causation.

I'd love to hear y'all thoughts.
 

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I was thinking about this today and I found a product for fat fitness.



I already have left over pig lard but I really like the science behind adipeau.
 

curlwaves

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I was thinking about this today and I found a product for fat fitness.



I already have left over pig lard but I really like the science behind adipeau.
Interesting. But quite pricey. The thing is the description says adipogenic and lipolytic compounds. Lipolysis would mean taking fat out the cells reducing volume. When I have time or someone else could look up all the ingredients and see which role they have. So we could pinpoint. I do kinda think the extracts also help to get those results. Antioxidants etc help skin alot. So I'm not fully sold on it's adipogenic"Ness".
 

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This thread may be dead. But Another point that may add to this theory is this study.


Showing that subcutaneous fat, which is the type under the skin helps androgen (dht) inactivation. If scalp adipose is decreased/eroded. It likely also removes part of the cycle. Androgen inactivation. When this happens androgen levels especially dht remains elevated way too long and starts causing way too much damage.

Presumably a healthy layer of scalp fat properly supplied with blood would rapidly inactive androgens and maintain proper levels.
But due to some factors potentially including chronically raised dht erodes this important part.
 

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There are 5 layers of skin on your scalp.. There is plenty of fat between the layers if you did a dissection of even an old bald man. Now I suppose there could be a study to scrape off the fat and analyze exactly what kind of fat it is..
 

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Hm I'm guessing a big part behind this is the excess dht etc. increases inflammation I believe and decrease in fat tissue.

Dht is not aromatizable. Which is what probably makes it even more dangerous than testosterone alone. As it's probably hard for the body to balance out.

Whether cause or not. Its an important factor and how we should probably target this together with reducing dht to help treat Androgenetic Alopecia.
 
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