Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Mr. Slap Head]

You should go to some butcher shop and see the rectum of the animal. It’s so deeply embedded in sh*t that you can wash it all day, the smell doesn’t go away and the sh*t doesn’t wash away deeply embedded in the folds.

Imagine yourself eating that sh*t infested rectum, maybe that’s something you’re into it but it’s FUCKED UP just like pedophiles are

Also you should get tested for intestinal worms, I read an article that gay people are full of nasty gastrointestinal germs and worms from eating poop, not to mention the deadly diseases and viruses like the one that causes genital warts etc

Yeah but if you ever had your *** eaten you ain’t stopping a b**ch from going to town on it brah

 

[Lunaeruth]

Ok then.

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Hey Bridge! Good to see you!

I'm a trans woman, 42, I only realized it at 32 and started HRT at 34 and I went bald at age 21 (my dad went bald at 19, so I got his hair genes). I'm post bottom op since 2017 and switched to taking only estrogen. My body kept building resistance to Estrofem and Estrogel (applied to calves) and nowadays I am using Evorel patches, 1 on each calve.

I started minoxidil spray once a day last year for 6 months and from zero top of the scalp hair I started getting dilute growth. Then I had facial surgery and had to stop for a while. Two months ago I started minoxidil again, this time with 1 mg finasteride and I have been seeing even more growth, especially towards the back seeing lots of new short terminal hairs. I'm also doing my best to apply the minoxidil twice a day but it's really itchy and I hate it takes 2-3 hours to absorb and it drips to the back where I still have hair and makes it sticky.

I don't know if I can get oral minoxidil in my country, would you recommend that I do? I am afraid of regrowing facial hair, lowering blood pressure too much... then again, I already get swelling in my feet when I eat anything with added salt while under minoxidil regime, so I think it's going systemic anyway despite only applying it to the scalp.

Do you think it's important to apply estrogel directly on the scalp in addition to getting estrogen from my patches? Isn't there some health risk involved in doing that? I am also having issues getting my endocrinologist to prescribe to me both Estrogel and Evorel patches. I am currently taking 2 patches, maybe I could raise the dose but I'm afraid to build a resistance again.

Any tips on what I could do from your experience to improve my chances as post op, because lack of T (my blood results always show below test range) and having E by themselves haven't restored my hair but I have been seeing growth by adding minoxidil and now even more that I have also added finasteride but I am still way too dilute up there to go without a hat or a wig, which itch a lot... and even without them, just the minoxidil is itching horribly for me.

Right now my thinking is to ask my endo to increase my Evorel dosage and to try and get access to oral Minoxidil. Let me know if in your opinion I should take anything else like Estrogel on the scalp.

I also think I have fat malabsorption that might be impacting my hair, getting a GI panel for that. I have lack of subcutaneous fat in the skin around the eyes which is limiting my facial transition results which if I am right about the fat malabsorption could be explained by that, possibly. Gaining weight never reaches anywhere except my belly (was like that before transition too) and the rest of my body refuses to have fat on it.

My E levels are consistently low on blood tests which I believe could also have to do with possible fat malabsorption, but at least the patches worked to keep it measurable... before that estrogel and estrofem didn't work and E kept going down even as I raised dose until it went below test range. I'm vegan but I had these issues before I went vegan too. When I eat only whole plant foods it gets rid of feet swelling I otherwise get from minoxidil and reduces my belly bloating.

 

[losingbattle88]

Hey Bridge! Good to see you!

I'm a trans woman, 42, I only realized it at 32 and started HRT at 34 and I went bald at age 21 (my dad went bald at 19, so I got his hair genes). I'm post bottom op since 2017 and switched to taking only estrogen. My body kept building resistance to Estrofem and Estrogel (applied to calves) and nowadays I am using Evorel patches, 1 on each calve.

I started minoxidil spray once a day last year for 6 months and from zero top of the scalp hair I started getting dilute growth. Then I had facial surgery and had to stop for a while. Two months ago I started minoxidil again, this time with 1 mg finasteride and I have been seeing even more growth, especially towards the back seeing lots of new short terminal hairs. I'm also doing my best to apply the minoxidil twice a day but it's really itchy and I hate it takes 2-3 hours to absorb and it drips to the back where I still have hair and makes it sticky.

I don't know if I can get oral minoxidil in my country, would you recommend that I do? I am afraid of regrowing facial hair, lowering blood pressure too much... then again, I already get swelling in my feet when I eat anything with added salt while under minoxidil regime, so I think it's going systemic anyway despite only applying it to the scalp.

Do you think it's important to apply estrogel directly on the scalp in addition to getting estrogen from my patches? Isn't there some health risk involved in doing that? I am also having issues getting my endocrinologist to prescribe to me both Estrogel and Evorel patches. I am currently taking 2 patches, maybe I could raise the dose but I'm afraid to build a resistance again.

Any tips on what I could do from your experience to improve my chances as post op, because lack of T (my blood results always show below test range) and having E by themselves haven't restored my hair but I have been seeing growth by adding minoxidil and now even more that I have also added finasteride but I am still way too dilute up there to go without a hat or a wig, which itch a lot... and even without them, just the minoxidil is itching horribly for me.

Right now my thinking is to ask my endo to increase my Evorel dosage and to try and get access to oral Minoxidil. Let me know if in your opinion I should take anything else like Estrogel on the scalp.

I also think I have fat malabsorption that might be impacting my hair, getting a GI panel for that. I have lack of subcutaneous fat in the skin around the eyes which is limiting my facial transition results which if I am right about the fat malabsorption could be explained by that, possibly. Gaining weight never reaches anywhere except my belly (was like that before transition too) and the rest of my body refuses to have fat on it.

My E levels are consistently low on blood tests which I believe could also have to do with possible fat malabsorption, but at least the patches worked to keep it measurable... before that estrogel and estrofem didn't work and E kept going down even as I raised dose until it went below test range. I'm vegan but I had these issues before I went vegan too. When I eat only whole plant foods it gets rid of feet swelling I otherwise get from minoxidil and reduces my belly bloating.

U can use 2 drops of the liquid minoxidill in a capsule and swallow, 2 or 3 drops is enough.

 

[Lunaeruth]

U can use 2 drops of the liquid minoxidill in a capsule and swallow, 2 or 3 drops is enough.

Thanks, I don't know where you can get empty capsules but I will ask my local pharmacy. I imagine dripping it into my mouth or sublingually won't have the same effect?

 

[Zœy]

Thanks, I don't know where you can get empty capsules but I will ask my local pharmacy. I imagine dripping it into my mouth or sublingually won't have the same effect?

I just drop a few droplets of topical minoxidil from the pipette directly into my mouth. Seems to be working great for me. But it's totally systemic, I'm growing hair everywhere.
I don't think im a minoxidil responder so topical didn't really work and applying it with tretinoin was marginal for me.

 

[Lunaeruth]

On second thought, I don't feel safe taking minoxidil in such a hack method.

Refractory shock following ingestion of topical minoxidil solution

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although this person's dose was much larger than 2-3 drops, I think I will just try to get oral minoxidil somehow.

 

[losingbattle88]

On second thought, I don't feel safe taking minoxidil in such a hack method.

Refractory shock following ingestion of topical minoxidil solution

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although this person's dose was much larger than 2-3 drops, I think I will just try to get oral minoxidil somehow.

He took 20ml loool. 2 or 3 drops is nothing. It has nothing to do with the liquid minoxidill itself but about the minoxidill dosage that fucked him up. The ingredients in the Topical is safe to consume even. Many here use it. U can get empty gelatin capsules from amazon or ebay.

 

[Lunaeruth]

I see... Well, the bottle has in big red letters FOR TOPICAL USE ONLY. Is there any research on the safety using it this way?

 

[Zœy]

On second thought, I don't feel safe taking minoxidil in such a hack method.

Refractory shock following ingestion of topical minoxidil solution

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although this person's dose was much larger than 2-3 drops, I think I will just try to get oral minoxidil somehow.

No that's sensible, they did drink a hell of a lot. I'm not sensible tho, I get swollen ankles and am often faint standing too quick

(Wow, sorry forum - didn't realise the whole article would get rendered here)

I'm just following this and micro dosing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HairlossResearch/comments/t6yu8g

As the guy got seriously hairy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/udjq9q

Although I'm not seeing gains like his my hair is definitely better (and strangely darker)

 

[Lunaeruth]

No that's sensible, they did drink a hell of a lot. I'm not sensible tho, I get swollen ankles and am often faint standing too quick

(Wow, sorry forum - didn't realise the whole article would get rendered here)

I'm just following this and micro dosing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HairlossResearch/comments/t6yu8g

As the guy got seriously hairy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/udjq9q

Although I'm not seeing gains like his my hair is definitely better (and strangely darker)

Thanks, they mention using a bottle for 2 years. (6 years for a 3 pack)

My brand (noxidil) says not to use the bottle later than a month after opening it. It has 60 ML 5 percent minoxidil. Is the one month expiration just BS?

 

[Zœy]

I can't see anything on my liquid Kirkland brand saying 'use once' open. Just an overall 'expires August 2023'

Have you tried topical with tretinoin? This might work for you? Not sure if it'll reduce the itch. But it might allow you to apply just once a day at night. (As tret is sensitive to UV - I think)

Tretinoin enhances minoxidil response in androgenetic alopecia patients by upregulating follicular sulfotransferase enzymes - PubMed

Minoxidil sulfate is the active metabolite required to exert the vasodilatory and hair growing effects of minoxidil. For hair growth, sulfotransferase enzymes expressed in outer root sheath of the hair follicle sulfonate minoxidil. The large intra-subject variability in follicular...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Lunaeruth]

I can't see anything on my liquid Kirkland brand saying 'use once' open. Just an overall 'expires August 2023'

Have you tried topical with tretinoin? This might work for you? Not sure if it'll reduce the itch. But it might allow you to apply just once a day at night. (As tret is sensitive to UV - I think)

Tretinoin enhances minoxidil response in androgenetic alopecia patients by upregulating follicular sulfotransferase enzymes - PubMed

Minoxidil sulfate is the active metabolite required to exert the vasodilatory and hair growing effects of minoxidil. For hair growth, sulfotransferase enzymes expressed in outer root sheath of the hair follicle sulfonate minoxidil. The large intra-subject variability in follicular...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Does this mean finding some brand of minoxidil that contains tretinoin, or am I supposed to get tretinoin and apply both simultaneously?

 

[Zœy]

I'm probably should have stated that tretinoin is a prescription* drug (well at least where I'm from) it comes in gel or cream form. Apply one after the other.

*I'm so used to just buying things off the internet I sometimes forget.

But you did say you get the minoxidil sides, so maybe you need to try a different treatment?

 

[Lunaeruth]

I'm probably should have stated that tretinoin is a prescription* drug (well at least where I'm from) it comes in gel or cream form. Apply one after the other.

*I'm so used to just buying things off the internet I sometimes forget.

This kind of makes me wonder if topical use of both minoxidil twice daily and tretinoin with the night dose would have an even bigger effect than either two dose minoxidil or one dose minoxidil and tretinoin. Anyway, I will see if I can get either my family doctor or endo to prescribe tretinoin for me.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

New shemale appears!

 

[losingbattle88]

I'm probably should have stated that tretinoin is a prescription* drug (well at least where I'm from) it comes in gel or cream form. Apply one after the other.

*I'm so used to just buying things off the internet I sometimes forget.

But you did say you get the minoxidil sides, so maybe you need to try a different treatment?

I Read topical tretionin can cause hairloss but also encourage new growth. Its litteraly 50/50 by reading comments about it on reddit. Some derms even say it can cause hairloss, this seems to be from too much vitamin A I hope and not tretionin itself.

 

[Bungiejumper33g]

I just drop a few droplets of topical minoxidil from the pipette directly into my mouth. Seems to be working great for me. But it's totally systemic, I'm growing hair everywhere.
I don't think im a minoxidil responder so topical didn't really work and applying it with tretinoin was marginal for me.

Isn’t oral minoxidil different in its formulation compared to oral? Topical doesn’t last as long and isn’t absorbed in the same way as oral so it’s difficult to get an appropriate dosage compared to oral. I mean what’s equivalent to a 2.5mg tablet of oral?

 

[GRme11]

I can't see anything on my liquid Kirkland brand saying 'use once' open. Just an overall 'expires August 2023'

Have you tried topical with tretinoin? This might work for you? Not sure if it'll reduce the itch. But it might allow you to apply just once a day at night. (As tret is sensitive to UV - I think)

Tretinoin enhances minoxidil response in androgenetic alopecia patients by upregulating follicular sulfotransferase enzymes - PubMed

Minoxidil sulfate is the active metabolite required to exert the vasodilatory and hair growing effects of minoxidil. For hair growth, sulfotransferase enzymes expressed in outer root sheath of the hair follicle sulfonate minoxidil. The large intra-subject variability in follicular...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Recently, I found this study about Tretinoin, and made me worried: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15955085/

Towards dissecting the pathogenesis of retinoid-induced hair loss: all-trans retinoic acid induces premature hair follicle regression (catagen) by upregulation of transforming growth factor-beta2 in the dermal papilla​

 

[losingbattle88]

Recently I have found this study about Tretinoin, and made me worried: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15955085/

Towards dissecting the pathogenesis of retinoid-induced hair loss: all-trans retinoic acid induces premature hair follicle regression (catagen) by upregulation of transforming growth factor-beta2 in the dermal papilla​

Bro on reddit soooo many say it causes hairloss man. And just a few said it caused hair growth. Fuk i bought tret 0.1% and apply to face.... Gonna use it less often now...

 

[Hairful]

Hey Bridge! Good to see you!

I'm a trans woman, 42, I only realized it at 32 and started HRT at 34 and I went bald at age 21 (my dad went bald at 19, so I got his hair genes). I'm post bottom op since 2017 and switched to taking only estrogen. My body kept building resistance to Estrofem and Estrogel (applied to calves) and nowadays I am using Evorel patches, 1 on each calve.

I started minoxidil spray once a day last year for 6 months and from zero top of the scalp hair I started getting dilute growth. Then I had facial surgery and had to stop for a while. Two months ago I started minoxidil again, this time with 1 mg finasteride and I have been seeing even more growth, especially towards the back seeing lots of new short terminal hairs. I'm also doing my best to apply the minoxidil twice a day but it's really itchy and I hate it takes 2-3 hours to absorb and it drips to the back where I still have hair and makes it sticky.

I don't know if I can get oral minoxidil in my country, would you recommend that I do? I am afraid of regrowing facial hair, lowering blood pressure too much... then again, I already get swelling in my feet when I eat anything with added salt while under minoxidil regime, so I think it's going systemic anyway despite only applying it to the scalp.

Do you think it's important to apply estrogel directly on the scalp in addition to getting estrogen from my patches? Isn't there some health risk involved in doing that? I am also having issues getting my endocrinologist to prescribe to me both Estrogel and Evorel patches. I am currently taking 2 patches, maybe I could raise the dose but I'm afraid to build a resistance again.

Any tips on what I could do from your experience to improve my chances as post op, because lack of T (my blood results always show below test range) and having E by themselves haven't restored my hair but I have been seeing growth by adding minoxidil and now even more that I have also added finasteride but I am still way too dilute up there to go without a hat or a wig, which itch a lot... and even without them, just the minoxidil is itching horribly for me.

Right now my thinking is to ask my endo to increase my Evorel dosage and to try and get access to oral Minoxidil. Let me know if in your opinion I should take anything else like Estrogel on the scalp.

I also think I have fat malabsorption that might be impacting my hair, getting a GI panel for that. I have lack of subcutaneous fat in the skin around the eyes which is limiting my facial transition results which if I am right about the fat malabsorption could be explained by that, possibly. Gaining weight never reaches anywhere except my belly (was like that before transition too) and the rest of my body refuses to have fat on it.

My E levels are consistently low on blood tests which I believe could also have to do with possible fat malabsorption, but at least the patches worked to keep it measurable... before that estrogel and estrofem didn't work and E kept going down even as I raised dose until it went below test range. I'm vegan but I had these issues before I went vegan too. When I eat only whole plant foods it gets rid of feet swelling I otherwise get from minoxidil and reduces my belly bloating.

It’s funny you’re worried about health effects from minoxidil when you’re literally f*****g up your body by trying to become a woman LOL as if that’s very healthy

Minoxidil is safer than the poison you’re injecting and surgeries you’re undergoing