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I'm sure supraphysiological levels of IGF-1 aren't beneficial but drugs that increase circulating IGF-1 by upto 2 fold like Ibutamoren and CsA often have the reported side effect of increased hair growth.

Yeah, that's a weird paradox but I think it a 50/50 whether you're going to get the benefit or you're just going to get awful acne and hair loss due to upregulated sebum production and the fact that IGF-1 increases go hand in hand with an increase in other androgens.
 

DogoDiLaurentiis

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What does inhibiting 5ar activation mean? and to what extent does it inhibit. Also I can't imagine reducing IGF-1 would be in any way beneficial to hair.

My IGF-1 has for some reason gone up as of late and all I can tell you is it has done nothing but cause a nightmare for my skin and hair.

It's not good to have it too low, but my IGF-1 is a matter of points above the reference range and my skin in some ways was worse then during puberty, I never had scalp acne during puberty, and IGF-1 can upregulate hormones that just f*** with hair. I know far better ways to take care of my skin now, so I'm not the mess I was when I was 15, but the scalp acne is a hard one, the estrogel saved me on that account.

5AR inhibition is basically the standard that most people resort to when responding to androgenetic alopecia, it prevents the enzyme from converting testosterone to DHT, which is why some people with whom finasteride works - see a precipitous rise in estrogen because instead that testosterone is in part at least converted into estrogen.

This is why I think finasteride largely works when taken orally, I think that topical finasteride has some other kind of mechanism of action that may be related, but it seems like having the drug applied directly to sensitive tissues just locally blocks the effects of androgens.

Basically I would call the mechanism of topical finasteride basically a controlled application of PFS, which sounds crazy but I do think the accumulation of finasteride in tissues itself where it is not wanted is the cause of PFS, but if you're just applying it to the skin and it is mostly staying there, you're generating the same effect albeit controlled and localized.

It's good to have enough IGF-1, but having too much has been nothing but a skin and hair nightmare for me.

thankfully applying estrogel directly to my scalp seems to have calmed a lot of that down and offset it, but I still have to deal with unreasonably oily skin that that I have to constantly attend to throughout the day, and that is 100% a proven side effect of high IGF-1, I have literally nuked my testosterone and DHT and my skin is still oily because of IGF-1.
 
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"Metformin treatment reduced cell viability and enhanced apoptosis for both cell lines and additive effects were observed when LNCaP cells were treated with combined metformin and bicalutamide. Metformin down‐regulated full‐length AR protein in LNCaP cells. Both full‐length and the truncated AR (AR‐v7) were down‐regulated by metformin in CWR22Rv1 cells. In both LNCaP and CWR22Rv1 cells, metformin repressed AR signaling pathway not by affecting AR protein degradation/stability, but rather through DOWN-REGULATING the levels of AR mRNAs."
 

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"Metformin treatment reduced cell viability and enhanced apoptosis for both cell lines and additive effects were observed when LNCaP cells were treated with combined metformin and bicalutamide. Metformin down‐regulated full‐length AR protein in LNCaP cells. Both full‐length and the truncated AR (AR‐v7) were down‐regulated by metformin in CWR22Rv1 cells. In both LNCaP and CWR22Rv1 cells, metformin repressed AR signaling pathway not by affecting AR protein degradation/stability, but rather through DOWN-REGULATING the levels of AR mRNAs."
Wow tf, great find. Metformin alone could help a lot with VERY mild hair loss.
 

tato123

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Here you have DHTcel's hairloss, he got banned a while ago and after he came back lying that he is the guy in the profile picture, avoiding question on how is he able to maintain that muscle with his regime and after saying that he has enormous boobies from his regime with anti-cancer drugs that are not even approved or studied for hair loss.It's all at a search of his profile history, he is a mentally ill incel that has a lot of mental illnesses. He has no hair loss check his first posts!

Here is his post:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ale-pattern-baldness-as-a-16-year-old.120358/
Here is his hair :
Check his tittle on the imgur photos, mental ill incel ! This are the "scientists" of this forum, you can also check he started encouraging people to take his regime at the "children's hair loss" section of this forum to a 16 year old !
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/16-yr-old-son-losing-hair-mob-according-to-dr.122514/
And here you have him lying about his gyno and nipples posting pictures with who the f*** know who, imagine how mentally ill is:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/exploring-the-hormonal-route-hair-life.109288/page-353


LINK HERE



Who posted this was a banned user, browsing the old posts on the forum itself I found some things about DHTCEL and also a picture of his old hair

Look at yourselves , I'm not supporting any speech, I just want everyone to see what I see
 

JaneyElizabeth

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Here you have DHTcel's hairloss, he got banned a while ago and after he came back lying that he is the guy in the profile picture, avoiding question on how is he able to maintain that muscle with his regime and after saying that he has enormous boobies from his regime with anti-cancer drugs that are not even approved or studied for hair loss.It's all at a search of his profile history, he is a mentally ill incel that has a lot of mental illnesses. He has no hair loss check his first posts!

Here is his post:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ale-pattern-baldness-as-a-16-year-old.120358/
Here is his hair :
Check his tittle on the imgur photos, mental ill incel ! This are the "scientists" of this forum, you can also check he started encouraging people to take his regime at the "children's hair loss" section of this forum to a 16 year old !
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/16-yr-old-son-losing-hair-mob-according-to-dr.122514/
And here you have him lying about his gyno and nipples posting pictures with who the f*** know who, imagine how mentally ill is:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/exploring-the-hormonal-route-hair-life.109288/page-353


LINK HERE



Who posted this was a banned user, browsing the old posts on the forum itself I found some things about DHTCEL and also a picture of his old hair

Look at yourselves , I'm not supporting any speech, I just want everyone to see what I saw
That's why I tell folks that "some guy" on the internet is not a source of relevant or reliable information related to hair loss or use of HRT meds.
 

Pls_NW-1

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Here you have DHTcel's hairloss, he got banned a while ago and after he came back lying that he is the guy in the profile picture, avoiding question on how is he able to maintain that muscle with his regime and after saying that he has enormous boobies from his regime with anti-cancer drugs that are not even approved or studied for hair loss.It's all at a search of his profile history, he is a mentally ill incel that has a lot of mental illnesses. He has no hair loss check his first posts!

Here is his post:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ale-pattern-baldness-as-a-16-year-old.120358/
Here is his hair :
Check his tittle on the imgur photos, mental ill incel ! This are the "scientists" of this forum, you can also check he started encouraging people to take his regime at the "children's hair loss" section of this forum to a 16 year old !
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/16-yr-old-son-losing-hair-mob-according-to-dr.122514/
And here you have him lying about his gyno and nipples posting pictures with who the f*** know who, imagine how mentally ill is:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/exploring-the-hormonal-route-hair-life.109288/page-353


LINK HERE



Who posted this was a banned user, browsing the old posts on the forum itself I found some things about DHTCEL and also a picture of his old hair

Look at yourselves , I'm not supporting any speech, I just want everyone to see what I saw
We all know that he was heading to a NW2 and had slight vertex hair loss.

And we all know he reversed it and got a better hairline than a female... lol
 

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This reinforces what I think, the treatment has to be exclusive to you, it will be different for each person, you can't say and offer treatment to anyone and you can't trust it either, I don't know any of the 2 or who posted or DHTcel is one of our examples of results, and notice our few results are surrounded by doubts and disagreements haha

As I said I don’t support any speech I just posted because I hadn’t seen his photos DHTcell Early too and I found the comment of the user who posted relevant, with a lot of links and blah blah

Peace my warriors
 

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I don’t know English, so it’s hard for me to evaluate someone’s personality. But I can definitely say that he spread useful information about Bicalutamide and achieved great results with it.
You don't need to be bald to begin treatment. You need to start as early as possible, and not wait for the baldness to become noticeable. I started even earlier than DHTcel, my baldness is still impossible to notice from the outside. This gives me the advantage and time to test different treatments. DHTcel was smart in this regard.
 

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They also called me crazy and said that I was not balding, because in the first 2 years I only had a deterioration in the quality of my hair, that is, it is difficult to notice something in the photo. Only an idiot will wait for the appearance of bald patches and only then do something. From the onset of baldness to the formation of Norwood 1, it can take 5 years. At first, your hair just gets thinner. At this point, you are most likely to maintain your hairline. I acted wisely by jumping on Bicalutamide, having a growth line of Norwood 0.5
 

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I don’t know English, so it’s hard for me to evaluate someone’s personality. But I can definitely say that he spread useful information about Bicalutamide and achieved great results with it.
You don't need to be bald to begin treatment. You need to start as early as possible, and not wait for the baldness to become noticeable. I started even earlier than DHTcel, my baldness is still impossible to notice from the outside. This gives me the advantage and time to test different treatments. DHTcel was smart in this regard.
<shakes head in bewilderment>
 

JaneyElizabeth

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They also called me crazy and said that I was not balding, because in the first 2 years I only had a deterioration in the quality of my hair, that is, it is difficult to notice something in the photo. Only an idiot will wait for the appearance of bald patches and only then do something. From the onset of baldness to the formation of Norwood 1, it can take 5 years. At first, your hair just gets thinner. At this point, you are most likely to maintain your hairline. I acted wisely by jumping on Bicalutamide, having a growth line of Norwood 0.5
So now, males should start using bicalutamide even before they notice any hair loss? Over finasteride and duta? If people aren't balding yet, how do they evaluate if the med is working or not? Just pass out bica in all of the high schools?
 

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So now, males should start using bicalutamide even before they notice any hair loss? Over finasteride and duta? If people aren't balding yet, how do they evaluate if the med is working or not? Just pass out bica in all of the high schools?
Yes Ma' am!
 

Almas

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So now, males should start using bicalutamide even before they notice any hair loss? Over finasteride and duta? If people aren't balding yet, how do they evaluate if the med is working or not? Just pass out bica in all of the high schools?
It’s funny for me to read someone from Norwood 1 saying that they just started to go bald. No dude. You went bald for several years, but did not notice any thinning of your hair until your hairline moved.
You should start using Bicalutamide when you notice that your hair is thinning. There's no point in waiting for you to get worse
But unfortunately, at this initial stage, people simply do not realize that they are balding. I thought for 2 years that my hair was just blown out by a hairdryer. And I could not understand why they do not recover over time. As a result of much thought and knowledge, I began to assume the Androgenetic Alopecia. Since I have no heredity and I didn’t even know that people go bald at a young age, I couldn’t believe it. Fortunately, even after two years of inactivity, my hairline did not have time to move.
 

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You need to start treatment as early as possible. This is the law not only for baldness, but for all diseases. If you wait, you will regret it
My advice for young balding people: use Bicalutamide right away, Finasteride will never help you, don't waste your time
 
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