Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Pls_NW-1]

Yes that's him. About ikarus, as i remember he first started bica, after sometime he added estrogen and then he saw improvement.

I know bica sounds like a dream. Blocks all the T , increases estrogen over aromatase, much safer side effect profile. Theoretically it sounds like ultimate hair loss drug but practically it's just doesn't enough. Maybe high doses would make a difference. I never tried above 50mg.

50mg is just insufficient. We know that by the anecdotal reports. 25-50mg + E is great. But when you want to use it without E, you should consider 100mg with finasteride/dutasteride.

(50mg is used in castration males, +150mg in not-castrated males, I think!?)

The positive feedback on the HPTA axis because of bicalutamide (monotherpay) makes it hard to work on small doses.
Thats what I got from all the research I did the last months/half a year. Not sure in the end!

Edit: If we want to use 50mg, we have to mimic a castrated male's levels', but in reality, we don't want that, thats just insane!

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Yes that's him. About ikarus, as i remember he first started bica, after sometime he added estrogen and then he saw improvement.

I know bica sounds like a dream. Blocks all the T , increases estrogen over aromatase, much safer side effect profile. Theoretically it sounds like ultimate hair loss drug but practically it's just doesn't enough. Maybe high doses would make a difference. I never tried above 50mg.

Do you know anything of Ikarus, what he did recently!? He ditched the E because of personal reasons. Think he got self inflicted gender dysphoria oh well.

 

[Almas]

I mean no offense. I don't know about Maave but Ein and Dhtcell, i discussed with these people for pages over pm and as i remember from their photos they had no hair issues at all. No temple recession, they had thick head of hair. Sometimes photos lie, so ofcourse they would've know better but if they had a hair problem, i can only assume it was slight.

I remember last photos of dhtcell, he grew hairs where there shouldn't be which is quite success but he didn't use bica alone and he was overdosing like a polish guy i assume which was banned quite long ago. I couldn't remember the name.

The severity of baldness lies not in its degree, but in how early it started. DHTcel had Norwood 1 and quickly noticed his baldness. Like Ein. I have Norwood 0.5 and also noticed baldness right away. We need to start acting as soon as possible
Even HRT may not be enough for you to grow highly miniaturized hair or grow on bald areas. I hope that Bicalutamide can improve existing hair - those that are thinned.

 

[mryellowman]

Do you know anything of Ikarus, what he did recently!? He ditched the E because of personal reasons. Think he got self inflicted gender dysphoria oh well.

I really don't know. I've been off of the hair community quite sometime.

The severity of baldness lies not in its degree, but in how early it started. DHTcel had Norwood 1 and quickly noticed his baldness. Like Ein. I have Norwood 0.5 and also noticed baldness right away. We need to start acting as soon as possible
Even HRT may not be enough for you to grow highly miniaturized hair or grow on bald areas. I hope that Bicalutamide can improve existing hair - those that are thinned.

Yes that's right. What i mean is that at early stages you can't know for sure which medicine is working. As far as i know these guys directly started bica and dutasteride. Dutasteride alone could've gained them same results. Can you say for sure that their success was relied on bica ?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I really don't know. I've been off of the hair community quite sometime.


Yes that's right. What i mean is that at early stages you can't know for sure which medicine is working. As far as i know these guys directly started bica and dutasteride. Dutasteride alone could've gained them same results. Can you say for sure that their success was relied on bica ?

Maave used Bicalutamide high doses as well because she/he is non-binary and he got temple regrowth. He combined it with SERMs to prevent gyno at all cost.

I wouldn't advise taking Bicalutamide high doses alone, you need to combine it with either 5ARi or E. Or at best all three and bica low dose, but then you enter HRT realm.

I can't wait for Almas' 6th month mark to see what he will gain.

 

[Almas]

I really don't know. I've been off of the hair community quite sometime.


Yes that's right. What i mean is that at early stages you can't know for sure which medicine is working. As far as i know these guys directly started bica and dutasteride. Dutasteride alone could've gained them same results. Can you say for sure that their success was relied on bica ?

Ein used Finasteride, finasteride + spironolactone, and then Bicalutamide + finasteride. Finasteride did not help him, although he gave him a lot of time. A typical situation for those who began to go bald in their youth. DHTcel also tried Duth and a lot of other things, but it only responded to Bicalutamide.

 

[Almas]

I can't wait for Almas' 6th month mark to see what he will gain.

I look at the calendar every day and look forward to the 21st of July. This year is the most important in my life ...

 

[mryellowman]

Ein used Finasteride, finasteride + spironolactone, and then Bicalutamide + finasteride. Finasteride did not help him, although he gave him a lot of time. A typical situation for those who began to go bald in their youth. DHTcel also tried Duth and a lot of other things, but it only responded to Bicalutamide.

Yeah maybe you're right. I just shared my experience with it. Like i said everyone is different and you won't know for sure without trying it. I hope you guys for the best. I wish you catch the success with bica that i couldn't.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Yeah maybe you're right. I just shared my experience with it. Like i said everyone is different and you won't know for sure without trying it. I hope you guys for the best. I wish you catch the success with bica that i couldn't.

May I ask what you do now, your Norwood and future plans? You're a great member on here, I appreciate all your effort!

 

[Almas]

Yeah maybe you're right. I just shared my experience with it. Like i said everyone is different and you won't know for sure without trying it. I hope you guys for the best. I wish you catch the success with bica that i couldn't.

CPA is less effective and less safe. When you achieve results on CPA + E, try 50-75mg Bica + finasteride / Duta to maintain results.

 

[mryellowman]

May I ask what you do now, your Norwood and future plans? You're a great member on here, I appreciate all your effort!

Thank you! Im norwood 1 or 1.5. I was heavily diffusing on nw6 zone. But im good now. I've recovered thanks to dutasteride and its been 3 years now. Im currently on oral minoxidil and cpa for temples.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Thank you! Im norwood 1 or 1.5. I was heavily diffusing on nw6 zone. But im good now. I've recovered thanks to dutasteride and its been 3 years now. Im currently on oral minoxidil and cpa for temples.

I really dont understand why you use cpa? It makes only sense if you would use it in combination with E. Can you elaborate your use, or well, your intention?

I also heard that dutasteride interacts with cpa, because dutasteride affects progesterones' metabolizing enzym activity. And Cyproterone Acetate is a synthetic progesterone derivate.
You may experience problems with liver because of that. Not to mention CPA's side effects.

 

[Almas]

I really dont understand why you use cpa? It makes only sense if you would use it in combination with E. Can you elaborate your use, or well, your intention?

I also heard that dutasteride interacts with cpa, because dutasteride affects progesterones' metabolizing enzym activity. And Cyproterone Acetate is a synthetic progesterone derivate.
You may experience problems with liver because of that. Not to mention CPA's side effects.

CPA will not return your whiskey, only E is capable of this ... Even with Bicalutamide, there are more chances of returning your whiskey, because it raises your E. You should have tried increasing the dosage to 75-100mg for E to do its job

 

[mryellowman]

I really dont understand why you use cpa? It makes only sense if you would use it in combination with E. Can you elaborate your use, or well, your intention?

I also heard that dutasteride interacts with cpa, because dutasteride affects progesterones' metabolizing enzym activity. And Cyproterone Acetate is a synthetic progesterone derivate.
You may experience problems with liver because of that. Not to mention CPA's side effects.

Anti androgens are the border for me. I don't want to cross the line by using estrogen. I've seen good stories with cpa and dutasteride alone. One of them is AnxiousAndy. That guy regrew his hairline with cpa and minoxidil and im currently testing. If i see no progress or nasty side effects im going to drop it. I currently have 100mg pills and i divide them into 6 which makes it approximately 16 mg. Its enough not so high.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Anti androgens are the border for me. I don't want to cross the line by using estrogen. I've seen good stories with cpa and dutasteride alone. One of them is AnxiousAndy. That guy regrew his hairline with cpa and minoxidil and im currently testing. If i see no progress or nasty side effects im going to drop it. I have currenlty 100mg pills and i divide them into 6 which makes it approximately 16 mg. Its enough not so high.

Good point, and yes, I know him and his story.

For CPA you need only small doses to make it work, please keep us updated! How long are you on it?

 

[mryellowman]

Good point, and yes, I know him and his story.

For CPA you need only small doses to make it work, please keep us updated! How long are you on it?

I don't exactly know. I usually write down the date when i start a new medicine, i forgot to do it this time. I should be around 1.5 - 2 months.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@Itsnoahkennedy does this sort out the englarged aerola also? if these got out of hand and stayed that way, its not pretty. i jumped as soon as it started, and i think the ralox i was already on brought them back...

Judging from transition timelines, the areola effects are often much more substantial than is the development of breast tissue. Most MtF's seek both but it appears that people who already have gyno often have the most areola and breast development. Areolas don't revert in size although breast development apparently might when using Serms.

 

[Almas]

I am constantly worried about whether treatment will help me. I constantly think about what options I have. How painful it is to wait for these 6 months. But the worst thing will be if I don't see any improvement. I don't know how I will need to keep myself under control so as not to kill myself ...
It's scary when expectations in months are not met

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I am constantly worried about whether treatment will help me. I constantly think about what options I have. How painful it is to wait for these 6 months. But the worst thing will be if I don't see any improvement. I don't know how I will need to keep myself under control so as not to kill myself ...
It's scary when expectations in months are not met

When do you plan to test your levels again? Consider testing liver as well!

 

[Itsnoahkennedy]

I am constantly worried about whether treatment will help me. I constantly think about what options I have. How painful it is to wait for these 6 months. But the worst thing will be if I don't see any improvement. I don't know how I will need to keep myself under control so as not to kill myself ...
It's scary when expectations in months are not met

After 6 months look for baby hairs, give it 9 months before you begin to worry. Use dutasteride, Bicalutamide and E2 you will have your hair back before the year ends.