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Pls_NW-1

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You are literally taking an atomic bomb version of CPA. It stops your gonadal and adrenal androgen production. You will have literally NO androgens, just nothing. And thus not even estrogens. ZERO. You will slowly but surely die lol accompanied with plenty of nasty (as well as health-) side effects. It is a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort and should stay a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort.

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You are literally taking an atomic bomb version of CPA. It stops your gonadal and adrenal androgen production. You will have literally NO androgens, just nothing. And thus not even estrogens. ZERO. You will slowly but surely die lol accompanied with plenty of nasty (as well as health-) side effects. It is a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort and should stay a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort.

Will try to back everything more detailed up soon, currently busy af
Holy cow, you're right, it is literally chemotherapy lol
 

JaneyElizabeth

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You are literally taking an atomic bomb version of CPA. It stops your gonadal and adrenal androgen production. You will have literally NO androgens, just nothing. And thus not even estrogens. ZERO. You will slowly but surely die lol accompanied with plenty of nasty (as well as health-) side effects. It is a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort and should stay a CANCER MEDICATION for the last resort.

Will try to back everything more detailed up soon, currently busy af

Holy cow, you're right, it is literally chemotherapy lol
Holy overkill, Batman!

Talk about dying and leaving a good looking corpse!
 

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Yes to facial muscles. I couldn't smile before extensive HRT. My face wouldn't make that type of grimace. Anyone a Friends fan? They did an episode about Chandler not being able to smile. I used to smile just like he did in that episode.
I'm talking about fatty deposits, jawline, softening of facial features. I already have soft features, I cannot aggravate the situation.
 

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Holy overkill, Batman!

Talk about dying and leaving a good looking corpse!
Not even that... no estrogen = no hair. You might need to supplement 10k injections of E daily to compensate the lack of sex hormones lmao.

Btw, thanks for appreciating my pov. It's a rarity on this forum.
 

Almas

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Bicalutamide and Raloxifene will give me a very high T, but on the other hand, it will also give me a high E, which can reduce the dosage of the E I take. I think that due to the synergistic action of all these drugs it will be very easy to achieve a high E. 2mg E should be enough. but will this lower my T by at least 20% that Raloxifene will increase?

Perhaps this is the key to DHTcel and Maave's success: Raloxifene and Bicalutamide increased their T and E through conversion, which gave them hair growth. High T is good for hair by being converted to E, provided your receptors are not responsive to androgens. This is the key to the health of teen hair when its T is high.
 

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Bicalutamide and Raloxifene will give me a very high T, but on the other hand, it will also give me a high E, which can reduce the dosage of the E I take. I think that due to the synergistic action of all these drugs it will be very easy to achieve a high E. 2mg E should be enough. but will this lower my T by at least 20% that Raloxifene will increase?

Perhaps this is the key to DHTcel and Maave's success: Raloxifene and Bicalutamide increased their T and E through conversion, which gave them hair growth. High T is good for hair by being converted to E, provided your receptors are not responsive to androgens. This is the key to the health of teen hair when its T is high.
2mg will be already enough. But it is... weird using a SERM and E together, does not make sense tbh. You cancel the effect of the E out, by the SERM you take as well, it occupies the receptor everywhere. By the other hand, if E dose is high enough, it may as well cancel out the SERM's action (competitive inhibition). You will play with fire. Just cut off the glands successfully, try to avoid a SERM, If you want to take HRT.
 

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2mg will be already enough. But it is... weird using a SERM and E together, does not make sense tbh. You cancel the effect of the E out, by the SERM you take as well, it occupies the receptor everywhere. By the other hand, if E dose is high enough, it may as well cancel out the SERM's action (competitive inhibition). You will play with fire. Just cut off the glands successfully, try to avoid a SERM, If you want to take HRT.
Serms are said to only block estrogen in the breasts. If it's true, it's attractive. Although, of course, the operation simplifies this puzzle. It's just that the operation is stress and rehabilitation, I would like to avoid this
 

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Serms are said to only block estrogen in the breasts. If it's true, it's attractive. Although, of course, the operation simplifies this puzzle. It's just that the operation is stress and rehabilitation, I would like to avoid this
You can't expect a SERM (same goes for other medications, which you want to affect something certain) to occupy and affect only estrogen receptors in breast tissue. You have estrogen receptors EVERYWHERE. It isn't researched what's the effect of a SERM on hair, but anecdotally, it worsens the hair, the stronger the med is. Tamoxifene > Raloxifene.
 

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Damn, it seems to me that it gets worse. Just not to repeat the story of Jacob Williams ...

Most of the deterioration occurred at 2 weeks, this can be attributed to the fact that Bicalutamide did not begin to act in full force. The next deterioration I noticed after the hairdressing salon, perhaps this is not even the second deterioration, but the consequences of the first. In general, I will follow the situation. It's been a month since I drink 75mg. It shouldn't get any worse from now on
 
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JaneyElizabeth

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Damn, it seems to me that it gets worse. Just not to repeat the story of Jacob Williams ...

Most of the deterioration occurred at 2 weeks, this can be attributed to the fact that Bicalutamide did not begin to act in full force. The next deterioration I noticed after the hairdressing salon, perhaps this is not even the second deterioration, but the consequences of the first. In general, I will follow the situation. It's been a month since I drink 75mg. It shouldn't get any worse from now on
Are you taking daily pics? With the effort that you are putting into this you should be. You can become semi-famous if this works out and you need constant pics or they will say you were never bald or something like that. I am high on flower!
 

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Hi, RSG

I am not really familiar with it but I don't think that MtF's want to "balance" excess estrogen but guys might want to in some circumstances but I have am not aware of what testing has been done with this substance.

Thanks JE,

I might do some more research and share it with the group.
 

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Fiction: I have been working on transgender and grief based faction in a variety of forms since I came out as transgender. I have hundreds of pages of different scenes written about the compulsiveness of getting entice, entrapped and then starting to love being female. Here's one scene:

Janey Elizabeth Confession time: Autogynephilia

My story: Mean Rude Boys and What's Below is Based Upon a True Story. Scene I.

Any of you guys in your 20's out there who have those mean, sort of rude dispositions, I mean that seems to be one effect of my increasing constantly my ingestion of estrogen. At first it was just to grow hair and then I wanted breasts and thought that all of sudden big bottoms look really great. My lips got fuller and my cheeks redder and rosier and I started looking girlier and girlier, This was fine and I still dug chicks. The problem is that as my estrogen levels rise, males are starting to smell interesting to me and I have been repel by their scent since birth.

Some times, I think about having some young balding guys over to my house for a hair seminar and a couple of the guys bring martinis just to be polite. Then all four of them are all really interested in my changes under HRT and they want to see all of them with before pictures too. Somehow, even though I never asked, they are all showing me their sources of pride as well and I pretty much go sloppy at this point and with my big fat knockers, I just keel over drunk face down, pretty much out of it and "presenting" to all four of them. Well, you can imagine what happens next, right?

Janey
 

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thanks for sharing. rational practical experiments is what adds value vs delusional thought experiments of some users.

i also had the itch go at 3months with estriol, but i don't rock the gyno/areola look.
Did you get any regrowth? I was really hoping that the peptides would have been working their magic by now but no signs of anything. I really don't want to back down the minoxidil trap again.
 
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