Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Calmness is what balding people are deprived of. I would be calm if we had a guaranteed baldness treatment. But we don't have that kind of treatment. Therefore, I constantly worry and think: "Will scheme X help me? And if it does not help, what to do next? And what if nothing helps me?"
These questions keep me awake at night for more than six months, it's excruciating

And honestly, if many people could know exactly how many years they have, that might make it easier but the way it works in practice is when we first see hair loss we have no idea what it means but it is never good. I was obsessive and that probably helped me with maintenance. Almost literally, I have never missed a day of topical min going back to 1989. So I had none of that, "tried to get off min and finasteride and disaster" sort of thing that seems to be omnipresent on Tressless. I have always known that this is for life, all of it. Many of the young guys can't contemplate using min for sixty years. How did I do it for 30-plus years? One day at a time.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Probably hard for you guys to discern but those posts from Reddit make it more likely that Bicalutamide is a healthy choice to use in order to use less estrogen. It's tricky though because bica is synthetic and has more sides. E2 has few sides except feminization but if DVT is an apparent risk then that changes the analysis. Perhaps P4 in large amounts would still be the healthiest choice to use with estradiol. The issue from the weekend involved syringe use and I think patches are safer but still present risk of some magnitude as higher levels are hit.

On the other hand, this was a failed attempt to emulate settler women on the plains and their average E2 levels because many such women are essentially always pregnant. I am Catholic and we used to be known for mothers who were pregnant quite often so it is an interesting question because such situations can be up to 15 years for cis-women but they might have some unknown protective mechanism. At least for now, my advice is that no one sustain levels above 1,000 pg/ml although mere spikes might be less problematic but we really don't know. Without sufficient data, it is difficult for any of us to do risk/reward analysis to the extent that we would like to.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Algumas ideias Tato?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Guys I had a really nice email exchange with a long-time lurker so I wanted to introduce him. Like Tato he is from South America. His handle is too long so I christen him Balding DES but let me go cut and past the entire screen name. Am I the only one without a screen name that implies hair loss, lol? You can tell we really live this.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Baldingdespiteduta​

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Guys, I was contacted by the "Broccoli guy" from tressless and he asked me to post a response of his to the various critiques on here. I think he was hoping that my thread is a bit more sophisticated than reducing things to eating broccoli. Because my thread has a name, I might post a new thread but it's over on Hair is Life. Lol, For me, this is exclusive content and I can paste it on the main board later, lol.

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/hair-is-not-life-but-its-pretty-damn-close-hrt-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-47#post-1973407

 

[RStGeorge]

Estradiol only if parenteral will not put anyone at risk, really for anything except breasts.

@JaneyElizabeth Can you please clarify what this means?

I am reading as topical estradiol is fine but not oral.

 

[Almas]

 

[Almas]

I'm trying to find more people whose goals are the same as ours

 

[Almas]

"i'm 25 and have had some thinning the past year and a half or so...but i think some of it was due to malnutrition and just over all mental health issues, because i've been on HRT since 16 years old .,,,anyway, Testosterone still probably played a role in some of the thinning over all too...

especially hair around my ears getting thinner and just the overall appearance of my hair went from thick and bouncy to kinda fine and dull... i went from having a really perfectly shaped hair line (imagine a well drawn arc across my forehead haha) to one that was a little more "jagged" along the edges if that makes sense..it still looks feminine, and happened very gradually to where it's not that noticeable unless i compare pictures..but still reeally bothers me...

showering became a source of anxiety because when i would dry off my hair, it would seem to be coming out all over the place....

cut to now, almost 2 months post orchi and i've begun to notice hundreds of tiny baby hairs along my hair line sort of "filling in" the jagged edges...it looks as if it's returning to the previous "well drawn arc" shape it had before....

my favorite thing ever though ,is now after I shower, my hair doesn't fall out AT ALL. like before, if i would run my hands through my hair when it was wet, my hands would be covered in hair...now, i can do that and nothing comes out at all...and it's only been, like i said, just about 2 months"

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@JaneyElizabeth Can you please clarify what this means?

I am reading as topical estradiol is fine but not oral.

Yes, mostly but I have posted on here and on my thread that just this weekend, a very good acquaintance of mine and someone with a genius intellect revealed that she had been maintaining even higher levels that I have been for over six years straight via injections and that she has ended up with deep vein thrombosis. I know that it is really difficult for her because she is one the smartest monitors on the Reddit self-help MtF sites and much of what I know, I have learned from her.

So, I need to walk back some what I said and we are all free agents, so this is just my view of best practices and Tato maybe will have opinions. But I am recommending that people stay between 300 pg/ml to 700 pg/ml as best to emulate Mr. Bridgeburn. Her reasoning was that Catholic mothers are often pregnant for 15 to 20 years straight so those levels, pregnancy levels shouldn't be harmful since MtF's don't even have to bear the children. She had an avant garde PA apparently prescribing for her who approved all of it so I think that that is embarrassing for both of them. Nobody do anything stupid for hair and I adore that gal but those Catholic mothers are not injecting with needles all of the time and cis-females may have ways of diffusing excess estrogen that XY's lack.

Parenteral is basically anything but oral and I think rectal but basically patches, injections, Estrogel, pellets and trans-dermal creams. I have never injected. I might try it just to be more familiar with the mechanics of it but for people with insurance, the Climara patches work better in my opinion with no blood and no syringes for nosy people to find. Poor people in other countries often can only afford injections. And just like morphine, half the MtF's think injections must be better for "results" but there is zero evidence for that. What they do do, along with the patch is help people meet levels essentially immediately but I have preached long and hard today on Reddit that doing that stunts breast growth so there is just a ton of misinformation and a lot of the studies are flawed.

I am no Nobel scholar, well not yet but I have been working on a Janey version of How to Grow Hair; How to Grow Breasts and How to Do Both. My theory is that hair results should only be attempted after the person is satisfied or clearly done with breast growth. Everybody thinks more estrogen will grow more breasts and that's the only thing it won't do, really. I have written a lot this weekend to try to take up the slack for my friend:

I spent a lot of time on this and I often look for situations where I feel like I can pontificate a bit and they all respect me, lol because I have D cups and almost all of my hair back and probably because I have worn the wig and that has helped me to get to know some of the systems guys on here hopefully in a non-threatening way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMtFHRT/comments/mz13xv

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMtFHRT/comments/mz1oyg

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMtFHRT/comments/mz1up4

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMtFHRT/comments/mz4e59

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMtFHRT/comments/mzasv4

Reddit - Dive into anything

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Some nights I stay up all night when I get interested in a response or responses that I work on and hopefully I am getting better at being gentle. I only sleep like four hours a night since I started provera really.

 

[tato123]

Hi guys, I'm just passing by here, it's been 1 month since my last post on this topic, sorry, sometimes I read quickly and left, the situation here in Brazil is ugly because of COVID my time has been running a bit.


What I can say is that after several tests with myself I think that AA is only valid for falsifying high estrogen values, this is kind of complicated.

I have been on E2 since November last year, going in and out doing cycles with E2, along with bicalutamide, decrease my dosage of bicalutamide a month to 12.5mg a day, and keep on gaining ground.

I spent a lot of time passing E2 on the scalp for about 100 days without stopping and sometimes up to 6mg a day, but I didn't see anything, I added CPA, I saw results, but when I added CPA I felt really bad when I tried a small dosage of bicalutamide I had a visible, considerable effect, and I keep earning just for the record I had already tried flutamide OH I had an effect similar to bicalutamide, I knew it would respond well, flutamide did a miracle for me, but I have already made posts about it.

Maybe if I stayed at E2 for more than 1 year, or if I had waited 6 months I would have seen something, after seeing so much the results are slow 1 year of treatment for more to have a considerable recovery.

I am cycling E2 as if it were a builder, because i wanna to maintain considerable levels of T.

I am ejaculating though less but at a considerable level, perfect erection function, I can have sex at any time even unprepared.

But the thoughts are different, I don’t think about sex all the time although I’m ready, it goes through my head a little, things like “My god I need to jack off” don’t happen.

I have a sensitivity in my right chest, but nothing visible yet, but there is a small stone there, as if I were a teenager.

My whole skin is different sometimes I see my arm and I think it's strange my skin is not thicker, I am softer, white, less oily, my skin glows, it is fresh, my face is different if someone compare the photo of 2020 with that month it's clear i have a more neotenic face i would say, i don't know if this is good, but it is what is happening.

My liver tests are still a little altered, but already close to normal, I am closely monitored, it is working but I have this problem.

So in summary

I don't know if testosterone is the bad guy, my testosterone is around 600 and I'm getting hair and skin quality and so on, I think the big problem must be the imbalance that occurs at some point.

I think that resolving this imbalance manually is possible afterwards to maintain the results even with high Testosterone seen by NoahKenedy who did this.

So the great thing is to see which treatment really works for you, as we do not have access most of the time to exams and tissue images, we go through trial and error and success, and unfortunately this is very cruel.

The guidelines are as follows.

Hair loss involves too much, which is why it works for some and not others, despite the same consequence that would be the loss of hair the causes will vary. This is very complex.

I think that our approaches are always exaggerated because we don't know where we really need to act.

How to use bicalumitada for hair loss, is like wanting to kill a beetle with a chainsaw, but that is our point of knowledge at that moment unfortunately.

If bicalutamide and other AA do not work, at least we have a gigantic differential diagnosis at hand

 

[Almas]

Hi guys, I'm just passing by here, it's been 1 month since my last post on this topic, sorry, sometimes I read quickly and left, the situation here in Brazil is ugly because of COVID my time has been running a bit.


What I can say is that after several tests with myself I think that AA is only valid for falsifying high estrogen values, this is kind of complicated.

I have been on E2 since November last year, going in and out doing cycles with E2, along with bicalutamide, decrease my dosage of bicalutamide a month to 12.5mg a day, and keep on gaining ground.

I spent a lot of time passing E2 on the scalp for about 100 days without stopping and sometimes up to 6mg a day, but I didn't see anything, I added CPA, I saw results, but when I added CPA I felt really bad when I tried a small dosage of bicalutamide I had a visible, considerable effect, and I keep earning just for the record I had already tried flutamide OH I had an effect similar to bicalutamide, I knew it would respond well, flutamide did a miracle for me, but I have already made posts about it.

Maybe if I stayed at E2 for more than 1 year, or if I had waited 6 months I would have seen something, after seeing so much the results are slow 1 year of treatment for more to have a considerable recovery.

I am cycling E2 as if it were a builder, because i wanna to maintain considerable levels of T.

I am ejaculating though less but at a considerable level, perfect erection function, I can have sex at any time even unprepared.

But the thoughts are different, I don’t think about sex all the time although I’m ready, it goes through my head a little, things like “My god I need to jack off” don’t happen.

I have a sensitivity in my right chest, but nothing visible yet, but there is a small stone there, as if I were a teenager.

My whole skin is different sometimes I see my arm and I think it's strange my skin is not thicker, I am softer, white, less oily, my skin glows, it is fresh, my face is different if someone compare the photo of 2020 with that month it's clear i have a more neotenic face i would say, i don't know if this is good, but it is what is happening.

My liver tests are still a little altered, but already close to normal, I am closely monitored, it is working but I have this problem.

So in summary

I don't know if testosterone is the bad guy, my testosterone is around 600 and I'm getting hair and skin quality and so on, I think the big problem must be the imbalance that occurs at some point.

I think that resolving this imbalance manually is possible afterwards to maintain the results even with high Testosterone seen by NoahKenedy who did this.

So the great thing is to see which treatment really works for you, as we do not have access most of the time to exams and tissue images, we go through trial and error and success, and unfortunately this is very cruel.

The guidelines are as follows.



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Hair loss involves too much, which is why it works for some and not others, despite the same consequence that would be the loss of hair the causes will vary. This is very complex.

I think that our approaches are always exaggerated because we don't know where we really need to act.

How to use bicalumitada for hair loss, is like wanting to kill a beetle with a chainsaw, but that is our point of knowledge at that moment unfortunately.

If bicalutamide and other AA do not work, at least we have a gigantic differential diagnosis at hand

At what age did you start to go bald?
Your scheme is not entirely clear to me. Why don't you just use 75-100mg of Bicalutamide with Finasteride, but arrange cycles, complicating the scheme?

 

[tato123]

I already said that, bicalutamide 50mg increased my transaminases by 20% and even decreasing the dose keeps changing, by cycling E2 I can control my T levels, which are normally 800-900.

I started to go bald at the age of 16, but very slowly so that my hair first deteriorated in texture before starting to thin in the frontal region.

This is funny when I was 15 16 years old, my hair changed its texture a lot and I always talked to the hairdresser and he said it was like that.

So when I was 22, 23 years old I started to realize that my forehead was receding a little, I was never a diffuse one, mine are the frontal ones.

At the age of 23 I was already on my first hair loss treatment.

I am currently 27.


My mother is not bald, my sister is not bald on the contrary I am Brazilian I have a little of South American Indians, this is expressed a lot in my sister and mother's hairdresser, very black and long hair.

My father is a diffuse nw3, but he still has a considerable level of hair despite his 60 years.

Big problem is my maternal grandfather who is an nw5.

My uncles and aunts none completly are bald on either side, some are bald (NW2, NW3) but they all have some level of hair even in their 40s.

This is my history

If I had not adhered to any treatment, it would probably be an NW3 with volume, and I would lose volume as I got older like all my uncles.

 

[Almas]

I am 2 months on 50mg of Bicalutamide and a month and a half on 75mg. No results. Maave and DHTcel got results in 2.5-4 months, so I'm getting worried. But I am taking a lower dose, so I justify the lack of a quick result by this

 

[tato123]

I am 2 months on 50mg of Bicalutamide and a month and a half on 75mg. No results. Maave and DHTcel got results in 2.5-4 months, so I'm getting worried. But I am taking a lower dose, so I justify the lack of a quick result by this

this is cruel, hope is the mother of illusion, unfortunately, sometimes we dedicate months of treatment in the hope of something happening and nothing happens, An illusion in the desert.

But don't lose hope I told Gergely this once, trust your treatment and exhaust it before changing. See if it's working.

Since I started to go bald, this is the first time I've seen results with bicalutamide, except for the time I used immunosuppressants and corticosteroids, but I left a cycle of CPA and E2 before going on bicalutamide and I continue on E2, so I think that I am an unusual case.

What I can say is that I have been doing this since November 2020, it's been 6 months, and I just started seeing results now, How I sent the photos, and I still don't have a hairdresser when I was 15 years old.

I think that from now on, if I stay on the treatment, I will recover a little bit each day.

You started early, your chances are very good, we just need to be patient, this is the big problem, the results are very slow.

 

[Almas]

this is cruel, hope is the mother of illusion, unfortunately, sometimes we dedicate months of treatment in the hope of something happening and nothing happens, An illusion in the desert.

Yes, this is the most painful. The more time, the more terrifying. You start out excited, but every month there are more doubts

 

[Almas]

I used to start with Finasteride with trepidation. Then Dutasteride, then Bicalutamide ... These are trifles, but the worst thing is to try everything and never stop baldness.

I still don't know if I'm ready to feminize myself like Bridgeburn for hair. Because hair = life, I have to do it otherwise. But how much will I suffer losing my masculinity? Maybe I'll trade hair loss dysphoria for gender dysphoria. I will choose the worst of evils
Once I saw on Reddit the question: "What will happen if the cis gender takes HRT?" Check it out on me?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Tato et al.

Something that suddenly occurred to me last night while answering MtF questions on reddit had to do with the puzzle as to why HRT works for hair but only for some. This is but conjecture but I have excellent anecdotal reasons to think that this could be true.

For you guys with full heads of hair, I would think that estrogen would help some. For the really young, guys it should work but as I was encouraging people to get beard removal yesterday, it came to me.

Restoration might be impossible with an active male beard, shaved or not, because essentially that is many square inches of nothing but DHT-laden skin and follicles. So my first question is: How could somebody possibly facially femininze with a full beard? Is the DHT just going to migrate around like it does with dermatitis. For me, only beard removal ended dermatitis. Only with beard removal after largely done, did I see facial feminization. Now some of this might just be temporally correlated by when I did what but my hair only began to improve after my beard was removed.

This might account for why many MtF's seem to regrow hair effortlessly and why others regrow zilch. People are MtF, regardless of beard removal but in terms of passing, it's just not going to happen for anyone say over 26 without beard removal. @bridgeburn actually got semi-beard removal from extreme HRT but that is really rare and he was younger.

So any older guys struggling, we should all work through this and swap notes because the full beard must simply negate facial feminization above the neck. This would account for why I had a chick body only from the neck down for several years but only saw facial, skin disease relief and hair improvement after my beard was gone!

I think that this could be key. Usually I encourage people to remove their beards so they have a chance of passing but this has been evolving in my mind for a while since Marky mentioned FtM's balding immediately after beginning to grow rogaine beards. Those beard are bringing up DHT for the first time in these XX males. I think Marky's passing remark which really got me thinking could be a key to all of this all of a sudden and it would explain possibly so much with the variant results by the guys trying to follow @bridgeburn. We are learning now that for MtF's any DHT at all could cause re-masculinization even after SRS. I think DHT and it's ability to synthesize itself from beard follicles might be the key to all of this.

Pls, imagine being able to get beard removal and then not needing HRT anymore without all that DHT. Duta might be all you need then or just low-dose. I harp constantly on the connection between beards and hair loss for whites/Semites and I really think that this could be at least, a key component of hair salvation for the young guys and restoration for the rest of us.

Janey

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I sent this message to Marky who has been around again and very helpful:

Marky,

On another topic, check out my latest post on the main hormonal thread and see what you think. That has been bouncing around in my mind since you mentioned Rogaine FtM beards causing baldness and I remember thinking then growing a rogaine beard for a guy who is balding might be entirely counterproductive.

Now you do appear to have significant shadow but your hair still has a male quality so I would be interested in your beard experiences. I was looking like a female completely for three years below the neck but above the neck, essentially no changes and very little hair improvement until I removed my beard. My rampant dermatitis stopped and my face began feminizing at least some on its own. i always go back to the question: Why is baldness largely a white/Semite problem and I know it has to do with beards somehow. It might not be cause and effect; it could be hormonal balance that gets thrown out of wack but for me, male pattern baldness essentially started at the same exact age where i had to start shaving almost every day. Until my beard came in, I had very feminine looking/pubertal hair.