Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Almas]

I would like to delete my account, but it seems to me that there is no administration on this forum

Ironically, the main change on estradiol is that if before I was devastated due to baldness, now I am crying due to baldness. It's ironic and very sad at the same time. Although I'm not entirely sure if estrogen is involved. I left a whole 1000 posts here in an attempt to deal with stress.

 

[Almas]

I spent so much time on this f*****g forum that Janey stopped looking creepy to me. We must quit this, goodbye. It's time for me to start my last plan.

 

[Gergely]

Listen. Even the just in it, i.e., HRT for hair folks, I mean ya hotsa knows that ya might turn out similar to Janey if you think that's your worst nightmare. Janey says well, some times some of us MtF's, we doesn'ts fit too good with normal society but Janey doesn't f*****g care one iota.

You doing okay?

 

[KNemo]

I spent so much time on this f*****g forum that Janey stopped looking creepy to me. We must quit this, goodbye. It's time for me to start my last plan.

I hope that involves some therapy. Good luck with your life and hair.

 

[KNemo]

What's with the cringe "goddess" thing?

 

[namdete]

Now I am blonde under this wig, but I am confused<winks>

this thread is 90% garbage.

Thanks for your sh*t contribution, I will not comment more here, waste of time.

sayonara.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

It takes several months to recover, but miniaturization stops immediately when the drugs reach the desired concentrations in the system. Only an inferior person can not understand this and advise to take medications, despite the intake of which the person continues to go bald. I wish you to treat cancer in the same way. "Just give it more time for it to metastasize"

Thats not entirely true. From the moment hair is kicked into telogen phase it can take up to 3 months before that hair actually comes out of the scalp, and would likewise show miniaturization from that cycle before starting (hopefully) a thicker anagen cycle if meds are involved

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Thats not entirely true. From the moment hair is kicked into telogen phase it can take up to 3 months before that hair actually comes out of the scalp, and would likewise show miniaturization from that cycle before starting (hopefully) a thicker anagen cycle if meds are involved

Tell me more about this precious world of anagen, sigh. Is there anything except estrogen that increases it? Cause E2 can increase anagen over three times compared to the XY follicle. Nobody ever talks about anagen enough.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit... amen.

- sprinkles holy water - SPLASH! SPLASH!

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

In Christian theology, Goddess is either associated with the Holy Spirit or with the Madonna, the mother (Mother) of Jesus so step right up all of you Catholics, this journey is completely Papally endorsed so to speak. Our Lady in Heaven....

Nonsense, one might even say heresy.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Tell me more about this precious world of anagen, sigh. Is there anything except estrogen that increases it? Cause E2 can increase anagen over three times compared to the XY follicle. Nobody ever talks about anagen enough.

Estrogen prolongs anagen phase, like when pregnant women get fuller hair during their pregnancy. But once levels return to baseline, there will be an excess of telogen at once.

 

[Experimentality]

Are you one of those who need to use useless Finasteride for 2 years to realize that it does not stop baldness? I have been using Bicalutamide for 5 months (And finasteride 5 months) and it has not stopped my baldness. What was the point in waiting further? You're just an idiot who doesn't understand basic things.

He is not wrong. Especially the first few months you can expect worsening due to famous Telogen Effluvium sheds. Personally, I think you did not give Bicalutamide enough time. Anyway, what are you expecting from treatments if I may ask? Based on the pictures you provided you are doing great and I do not see any thinning. This could be lighting of course, so it is up to you to assess. You cannot use Bicalutamide for a few months (even adjusting dosage en route), conclude it does not 'work' (whatever your definition of 'work' is) and then generalize this to the whole population and even to all AA's in general.

I know that obsessing over hair often distorts your view at it: I often think I am thinning whereas I am actually thickening in the front when looking at my pictures objectively. Finasteride and dutasteride do slow baldness for the majority of males and are worth it to at least run for a year solo. I want to stress that point because I suspect many (young) people are lurking at this thread: they deserve a objective view on the matter. And that is that the majority of males will do great on 5AR inhibitors.

I am absolutely not against HRT for hair loss. In fact, I am using E2 myself (albeit topically, in extremely small doses). However, I do think it should remain an absolute last resort option, and cannot be used in typical HRT doses for males. The HPT axis is NOT resilient (especially not against E2 exposure since it is testicotoxic) and individuals aiming at HRT cycles will generally have a very hard time trying to get their T back in even the lowest range (and thus having to resort to TRT as a result for the rest of their lives). If you are dead set on using E2 HRT cycles I would strongly encourage you to at least use a LH-analog (i.e. hCg) and a FSH-analog (i.e. hMg of hFSH) along with it to attenuate damage to the axis (prevention is impossible).

Please, everyone reading this thread. Please think thorougly about your plan of action. Do your own objective research. These are decisions that should not be taken lightly, and can literally change lives (for the worse or the better). Take care.

 

[Gergely]

By the way, boy do you look young in your new avatar pic. HRT seems to make most of us look very young plus you will avoid ever having a beard nor hair loss so things are shaping up nicely in terms of youth and androgyny even if you feel "forced" into HRT.

It's just a makeup filter i look like a caveman most of the times

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Nonsense, one might even say heresy.

If this be heresy then so shall I be heretical!

That sounds so cool, like if a knight said it, in a really good movie.

 

[Almas]

Telogen Effluvium sheds

It has nothing to do with miniaturization.

you are doing great and I do not see any thinning

I have to be Norwood 6 for you to say "It starts"?

You cannot use Bicalutamide for a few months (even adjusting dosage en route), conclude it does not 'work'

If the treatment did not stop the process of follicle miniaturization, everything is obvious. Regrowth is preceded by a stop of progression, otherwise it cannot be.

Finasteride and dutasteride do slow baldness for the majority of males and are worth it to at least run for a year solo. I want to stress that point because I suspect many (young) people are lurking at this thread: they deserve a objective view on the matter. And that is that the majority of males will do great on 5AR inhibitors

Write this on Reddit in the comments to Dr. Rassman's post. I have not seen a single Finasteride success story in those who began to go bald at the age of 16-20. It "helps" 30+ year olds to keep 3 hairs.

I am absolutely not against HRT for hair loss. In fact, I am using E2 myself (albeit topically, in extremely small doses). However, I do think it should remain an absolute last resort option, and cannot be used in typical HRT doses for males. The HPT axis is NOT resilient (especially not against E2 exposure since it is testicotoxic) and individuals aiming at HRT cycles will generally have a very hard time trying to get their T back in even the lowest range (and thus having to resort to TRT as a result for the rest of their lives). If you are dead set on using E2 HRT cycles I would strongly encourage you to at least use a LH-analog (i.e. hCg) and a FSH-analog (i.e. hMg of hFSH) along with it to attenuate damage to the axis (prevention is impossible).

I also thought about such risks. But I should recall the name of this thread: hair = life. I am ready to use HRT for life if it is absolutely necessary.
I am not good at how to restore T production, but I have heard of clomid and tamoxifen, although I have no idea how the axis works. What specific drugs can you recommend?

Please, everyone reading this thread. Please think thorougly about your plan of action. Do your own objective research. These are decisions that should not be taken lightly, and can literally change lives (for the worse or the better). Take care.

I agree. I took a big risk, and I am guaranteed to receive (already received) the consequences in the form of body changes (there is gynecomastia). HRT for those who agree with the name of this thread. I almost lost my mind yesterday, it reminds me how important my goal is

 

[KNemo]

He is not wrong. Especially the first few months you can expect worsening due to famous Telogen Effluvium sheds. Personally, I think you did not give Bicalutamide enough time. Anyway, what are you expecting from treatments if I may ask? Based on the pictures you provided you are doing great and I do not see any thinning. This could be lighting of course, so it is up to you to assess. You cannot use Bicalutamide for a few months (even adjusting dosage en route), conclude it does not 'work' (whatever your definition of 'work' is) and then generalize this to the whole population and even to all AA's in general.

That's right. It not only takes time but also it's one thing making a theory (IMO in this case mostly based on hearsay) and another one dropping it when it doesn't immediately give strong indications of working.

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I am absolutely not against HRT for hair loss. In fact, I am using E2 myself (albeit topically, in extremely small doses). However, I do think it should remain an absolute last resort option, and cannot be used in typical HRT doses for males. The HPT axis is NOT resilient (especially not against E2 exposure since it is testicotoxic) and individuals aiming at HRT cycles will generally have a very hard time trying to get their T back in even the lowest range (and thus having to resort to TRT as a result for the rest of their lives). If you are dead set on using E2 HRT cycles I would strongly encourage you to at least use a LH-analog (i.e. hCg) and a FSH-analog (i.e. hMg of hFSH) along with it to attenuate damage to the axis (prevention is impossible).

Can't agree with that as I went to low (86) estradiol and mid-male testosterone after about two years of continuous estradiol treatment with high estradiol (~250) very low testosterone (~16).

My balls haven't shrunk and the recent increase in testosterone mostly returned all functionality. I guess a few more months would revert everything but boobs and even then lowering estrogen shrunk them a bit. Remember this is still with female level estradiol.

 

[Almas]

I use standard dosage E, giving it a shot every 2 weeks. My minimum E on the last day is 200 pg / ml (maybe it will go up to 250), and T is 35. Not the lowest level, but not bad. Perhaps I will raise E to lower it even more. E level at its peak is presumably above 1000.

 

[Almas]

Can't agree with that as I went to low (86) estradiol and mid-male testosterone after about two years of continuous estradiol treatment with high estradiol (~250) very low testosterone (~16).

My balls haven't shrunk and the recent increase in testosterone mostly returned all functionality. I guess a few more months would revert everything but boobs and even then lowering estrogen shrunk them a bit. Remember this is still with female level estradiol.

This is optimistic, however we have no research on this topic. I think everything will be all right with my T, I will take tests.

That's right. It not only takes time but also it's one thing making a theory (IMO in this case mostly based on hearsay) and another one dropping it when it doesn't immediately give strong indications of working.

Your statement is based on hearsay, I never gave up my words and often attached links to research

 

[RStGeorge]

Question for @JaneyElizabeth

Hi jany, just wanted to say you are an amazing resource on this forum, and I also appreciate your eloquent writing style.

Was hoping to ask you a question which may or may not have been addressed already, but there are so many comments that I sometimes get lost in the details.

I am a 55 y/o cis-male. I started to lose my hair at 16 and have been a diffuse NW7 for at least the past 30 years, but for a small frontal patch.

Being diffuse I have noticed some thinning both on my nape and sides. In fact my sides have retreated somewhat.

Start finasteride 2 years ago. Added dutasteride/min 1 year ago.

Noticed some regrowth on my crown this past year, but my sides and nape continue to thin.

At the 2 year mark started 2mg estradiol daily plus topical estrogel every few days.

Do not know if it has helped but I started get breast pain so reduced estradiol to 2 times per week.

I judge my thinning on sides and back by rubbing my hands through it. I typically get 10s of hair everytime I do it.

The only thing that seems to halt hairloss from sides snd back, almost instantly is topical melatonin, but I have not seem any regrowth yet.

My questions:

1. Is there any way I can increase my feminising drugs with growing any breasts? Breasts have only grown slightly so far but the ongoing pain worries me. Btw, no lasting sexual sides.

2. Is there anything you know of that can help with sides and neck?

Many thanks