Follica Microneedling Protocol Patent Disclosed

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f*****g cringe using based if you think it’s in anyway funny to have a forum that propagates anti semitism.

I don't think it's funny; I think it's hilarious

How in the world does 1.5 not hurt your face? I hate doing my face far more than my scalp. I use 1.5 at 25hz on most of my face, and the pain is insane.

Have you been doing the thing where you go 2cm past the intended growth area?
 

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so does everyone follow the lawnmower pattern ie vertical rows up and down the scalp?

I tried this method and it didn't work too well...ended up with some rows much more red than others and many spots didnt go red at all. could anyone help out a beginner with the technique? I'm using a derminator 2
 

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so does everyone follow the lawnmower pattern ie vertical rows up and down the scalp?

I tried this method and it didn't work too well...ended up with some rows much more red than others and many spots didnt go red at all. could anyone help out a beginner with the technique? I'm using a derminator 2

My understanding is that follicas devices is designed to move in lines at speed the derminator is designed to move i circles slower so we have to move in circles for longer.
personally im trying the keep going till i cry approach just to be sure
 

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personally im trying the keep going till i cry approach just to be sure

Yeah, like I was saying earlier, IMO it's probably not an issue if you overdo it (within reason). 1600 is so stupid-dense that I'm guessing they only stopped there for practical reasons. They probably ran out of un-poked skin left to hit.
 

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Yeah, like I was saying earlier, IMO it's probably not an issue if you overdo it (within reason). 1600 is so stupid-dense that I'm guessing they only stopped there for practical reasons. They probably ran out of un-poked skin left to hit.
I beleave i worked out a while back perfect derminator 2 needling on a unobstructed scalp would take 17 mins non stop when you factoring hair resistance, times and patterns go out the window.
we all been doing far less than needed im not sure what far more than needed would be like or easy to achieve as your be hitting same holes at certain point. but im aiming for 1800 so i know i im at least at 1400 at the least .
 

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In the quorum sensing study if the density of plucked hairs was too high then regrowth was diminished. I suspect that is because you want hairs in the region to signal for the recruitment of stem cells. In the case of microneedling we are not removing hairs so maximum density should not be an issue. Look at the burn victims who got amazing regrowth. It seems that the more thorough the density of wounding the better the results.
Im disinclined to beleave plucking as i had back waxed for several years and the back hair eventually gave up tho that could be long term finasteride related its not something i would have the balls to try as its a direct assault on the follicle lol.
shock and awe needling is the closest we can get to a controlled burning in similarity to damage done i cant think of any other way of safely doing it or would be acceptable for marketing , im sure i read that follica tried dermabrasion but the complete removal didn't trigger the response so my interpretation of that is to devastate but not wipe out the tissue.
 

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If you're having trouble try going in circular motions either in sections or across the scalp. Find whatever way works for you to get complete coverage and then pretty much just follow that "keep going till I cry approach". Wait two weeks. repeat. enjoy hair.

So moving in a circular motion for 5 to 6 seconds on a spot of 1 square centimeter to get roughly the required density? I cant think of another approach when thinking of circular motions.

Seems to me that we will still miss a few areas of skin that needs to be needled
 

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So moving in a circular motion for 5 to 6 seconds on a spot of 1 square centimeter to get roughly the required density? I cant think of another approach when thinking of circular motions.

Seems to me that we will still miss a few areas of skin that needs to be needled

You don't have to forcus on one square centimeter at a time. You can move it in larger overlapping circles sort of like these. Don't pick up the pen, and don't stop, just keep moving in a circular motion. You can do it in lines of a few cm across the scalp, or you can do the whole left temple, then the forelock area, then the other temple and so on. This might be easier for you. Don't be too worried about precision, it's more important to worry about being thorough. If you have to go over the same area twice to make sure you get the area next to it, that's fine.
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Im disinclined to beleave plucking as i had back waxed for several years and the back hair eventually gave up tho that could be long term finasteride related its not something i would have the balls to try as its a direct assault on the follicle lol.shock and awe needling is the closest we can get to a controlled burning in similarity to damage done i cant think of any other way of safely doing it or would be acceptable for marketing , im sure i read that follica tried dermabrasion but the complete removal didn't trigger the response so my interpretation of that is to devastate but not wipe out the tissue.

You're exactly right, we want to wound the skin, not remove it.

If all hairs are plucked then then there is zero regrowth. Plucking is not the solution at all. This is a mouse study, and I do not think that just plucking would be sufficient in humans with Androgenetic Alopecia even if it were feasible, which it's not. It would take hours and hours to pluck at the right density. We can still learn things from the plucking response as it relates to microneedling.


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For the last month.

Cringe is such a cringe word. I can't believe there are people still using it unironically.

Ha. Cringe, unironically, based.. all of these afaik come directly from
For the last month.

Cringe is such a cringe word. I can't believe there are people still using it unironically.

It's not cringe to use cringe if it's based
 

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In the quorum sensing study if the density of plucked hairs was too high then regrowth was diminished. I suspect that is because you want hairs in the region to signal for the recruitment of stem cells. In the case of microneedling we are not removing hairs so maximum density should not be an issue. Look at the burn victims who got amazing regrowth. It seems that the more thorough the density of wounding the better the results.

Shouldn't we use 36-pin for Follica technique?
 

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You don't have to forcus on one square centimeter at a time. You can move it in larger overlapping circles sort of like these. Don't pick up the pen, and don't stop, just keep moving in a circular motion. You can do it in lines of a few cm across the scalp, or you can do the whole left temple, then the forelock area, then the other temple and so on. This might be easier for you. Don't be too worried about precision, it's more important to worry about being thorough. If you have to go over the same area twice to make sure you get the area next to it, that's fine.
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You're exactly right, we want to wound the skin, not remove it.

If all hairs are plucked then then there is zero regrowth. Plucking is not the solution at all. This is a mouse study, and I do not think that just plucking would be sufficient in humans with Androgenetic Alopecia even if it were feasible, which it's not. It would take hours and hours to pluck at the right density. We can still learn things from the plucking response as it relates to microneedling.


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That chart is interesting if im reading it correctly and hopefully tells the story of why this is so hit and miss for people, there's almost no response till you hit the Goldilocks Zone of damage there's no gradual increase it spikes,
but are needles capable of us over shooting the Goldilocks Zone in a way equivalent to a total plucking i think not unless you literally remove the top 1mm with some sort of crazy needle erosion borderline dermabrasion.
Im hoping our nervous system would object and we would tap out before we got that far .
 

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My understanding is that follicas devices is designed to move in lines at speed the derminator is designed to move i circles slower so we have to move in circles for longer.
personally im trying the keep going till i cry approach just to be sure

I don't see why a Dr Pen must be done in circles just because the needles have an circular orientation. This doesn't make sense. You also have a tendency to go into the skin on angles when you're costantly moving about in circles. I can't really keep up quality penetration angles doing circles for the entire duration, especially the rear.
 

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I don't see why a Dr Pen must be done in circles just because the needles have an circular orientation. This doesn't make sense. You also have a tendency to go into the skin on angles when you're costantly moving about in circles. I can't really keep up quality penetration angles doing circles for the entire duration, especially the rear.

not handled a dr pen so cant really speak on it i think derminator 2 is half maybe a third its size so i can practically cup it in my hand i never feel like im tilting off kilter how ever i handle it tho. The dr pen is closer to the hz needed than the derminator 2 so requires less time needling i was going to get one but decided to stick with the d2 dues to 34 1/2 needle gauge
 
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not handled a dr pen so cant really speak on it i think derminator 2 is half maybe a third its size so i can practically cup it in my hand i never feel like im tilting off kilter how ever i handle it tho. The dr pen is closer to the hz needed than the derminator 2 so requires less time needling i was going to get one but decided to stick with the d2 dues to 34 1/2 needle gauge
The d2 is better?
 

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I went ahead and tried 1.75 on my abs last night after doing my head. I'm a bodybuilder and would like to tighten up somewhat. I think I went to close to the Follica technique with the 1.5 because I can see all my work in bright red. My head, by contrast, while pleasantly sore all around, only has spots of redness.

The thing about the body though is there's literally no pain at all. At least for me. Is this normal? I could do that all day. Went over white lat stretch marks and it actually felt great, like getting a back scratch.
 

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I don't think it's funny; I think it's hilarious



Have you been doing the thing where you go 2cm past the intended growth area?

says a lot about you, still haven’t said where the word “based” comes from. Most likely because you’re a complete nerd. Either way I’m not Jewish, not that it matters. But you’re so damn edgy you love that anti semitism. Bet you’re short.
 

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says a lot about you, still haven’t said where the word “based” comes from. Most likely because you’re a complete nerd. Either way I’m not Jewish, not that it matters. But you’re so damn edgy you love that anti semitism. Bet you’re short.

Lol sure
 

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Lol, you’re as stupid as you are short. My advice would be go outside and talk to people. But remember to breathe through your nose, particularly around women
 
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