Follica Microneedling Protocol Patent Disclosed

[HAIRGOAT]

If he's only thinning at the hairline then there's no point in him doing the rest of the scalp, but he should be needling 2cm into the adjacent healthy hair. The point of this is because those healthy hairs send out signals that recruit stem cells when they sense damage. There's no point needling where there's never been any hair.

Im letting my bias from all the success cases i seen seem to do full scalp and recover in order of crown ,mid , forelock then temples on a long enough timeline everyone is thinning sort of even if they only dipped a few % i thought the 2cm in thing to mean just outside norward zone for most people.
Doing only the areas of most concern more than half's my workload so would be sweet but i worry im slacking if i do just norward areas 1 to 3 instead of 1 to 7 .

The one picture we have of this from them i cant tell if the day 85 pic is just longer hair with a parting or a increase in the forelock area density/quality that gave the guy confidence to sweep his hair sideways so much it made people think he had tilted his head out of line with the marker. Im hoping its the latter

 

[tomJ]

If we get dark circles and bloated face from Minoxidil, does it mean Follica will bring same sides too?

Good question.

 

[coolio]

I wonder about the results from just the needling alone. Or the wounding + low-concentration minoxidil.

(Sure, I believe the minoxidil helps - but how much? Is it any more than minoxidil increases growth on un-needled skin + the benefits of the greater skin penetration?)

The density of 1600/cm2 is uncharted territory. Compared to the other existing research on scalp needling, most bets are off IMO.

 

[HAIRGOAT]

Looks like a combination of regrowth/combover. I would do the whole norwood 7 area if you're at all thinning in the back. Better to do it now than wait until it's gone.

Yes prevention is better than cure but those back zones make sleeping raw on a pillow grim, the pain literally interferes with everything for 48 hours even eating a curry triggers it.

found the answer to my question about the top responder guy from the other thread.
74775446 " I use the fastest setting on the pen"
This means he was using 300hz to 200hz so anyone copying his video with a 25hz d2 was no where near his level of strikes per cm2

 

[kiwi666]

I did two passes, trying to move the head of my denominator 2 approx 1cm every 3 seconds. So that gives me in total roughly 6 seconds per square centimeter.

That is 6 * 25 * 12 = 1800 holes. Unfortunately, as you see on the pictures it does not feel evenly spread the wounding pattern

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This is normal. You want red as f*** or red like sun burn.

Which is preferable? Who knows....

 

[kiwi666]

Yes prevention is better than cure but those back zones make sleeping raw on a pillow grim, the pain literally interferes with everything for 48 hours even eating a curry triggers it.

found the answer to my question about the top responder guy from the other thread.
74775446 " I use the fastest setting on the pen"
This means he was using 300hz to 200hz so anyone copying his video with a 25hz d2 was no where near his level of strikes per cm2

I agree. Do it everywhere and prevent more hair loss.

Fak the curry bro. No more curry. Loose some weight AND keep more hair. Win win.

Mind blown about D2 settings and how even people doing it for a year with D2 are probably not doing it right / enough.

Do you recall the type of pen he’s using. It might be time to replace the D2.

 

[Xenophon]

I agree. Do it everywhere and prevent more hair loss.

Fak the curry bro. No more curry. Loose some weight AND keep more hair. Win win.

Mind blown about D2 settings and how even people doing it for a year with D2 are probably not doing it right / enough.

Do you recall the type of pen he’s using. It might be time to replace the D2.

Pardon me but what is D2? I just got my pen today and used it for the first time.

 

[Flamingflaps]

You can answer that by comparing the results of microneedling + minoxidil to the results of oral minoxidil. I think it's safe to say m+m > om

Where can I view these results?
Unfortunately my eye lids swell up in an allergic reaction when I use any product containing minoxidil - it sucks.

Do people think it's worth needling alone? Or needling with something like stemox?

 

[HAIRGOAT]

I agree. Do it everywhere and prevent more hair loss.

Fak the curry bro. No more curry. Loose some weight AND keep more hair. Win win.

Mind blown about D2 settings and how even people doing it for a year with D2 are probably not doing it right / enough.

Do you recall the type of pen he’s using. It might be time to replace the D2.

crouching,tilting,pillows the wind and gym trigger the burn for me .
The derminator 2 has the best needle 34½ gauge thickness for this so im not sure there's a better pen possibly the a7 but its thicker 34 gauge but has better rpm.

Not sure what pen it is i saw him say generic but thinks its a drpen lowest top speed rpm i seen on pens is 12000 highest 18000.
The Pen is in this vid i can't ID it .

Worrying thing is he got results from a roller which must have a rpm of like 60 lol

 

[HAIRGOAT]

Pardon me but what is D2? I just got my pen today and used it for the first time.

Derminator 2 i call it d2 due to lazyness

 

[HairCook]

There is actually a product I recently found where you can add topicals into it: https://korupharma.com/catalog/bior...VOV4tpiG6z2uvgpJxBeMbw0F9vdkz7QRoC8aUQAvD_BwE

Would be interesting with growthfactor cocktails (esp like agf53 aka cellcurin that has a fgf9 analogue as follica is likely gonna use it as well).

I got already the derminator 2 but if someone doesnt have one yet, willing to test...

// edit: nvm check the video of the hydra thing and it is spilling all over... there is probably barely a difference between just needling and applying smth straight to the wound and using this hydra thingy.

 

[RU serious]

I was there. Seti, SwissTemples, everyone drinking castor oil and all that crap.

Situation 5 years later isn't any better. And something tells me 5 years from now it's gonna be the same sh*t too...

Still remember joining that private forum he was in and every single time I logged in I saw some anti-Semitic hate speech in the chat. Conversation was like 90% f*** Jews and 10% hair loss, weird man.

 

[That Guy]

Still remember joining that private forum he was in and every single time I logged in I saw some anti-Semitic hate speech in the chat. Conversation was like 90% f*** Jews and 10% hair loss, weird man.

Ha! Based.

They've known for more than a decade the benefits of wounding. They wasted years trying to come up with a way to use it to cure male pattern baldness, but they've now decided to just release a better treatment option. It isn't what they wanted, but at least they are finally going to release something now, and it's better than what we currently have. Time will tell if following their protocol at home works better than regular dermarolling.

The reason I was so hyped for RCH-01 is that wounding with lasting results is basically the ideal treatment. A combination of the two would be perfect.

If you could just go to an office, get your scalp stabbed, and then have better-than-transplant results that will last forever and you don't have to take pills, that'd be a way better and more-affordable option than hair-cloning and sh*t.

 

[Xenophon]

Notice how Follica's microneedling protocol is more intense than aggressive microdermabrasion, which essentially scrubs off the entire top layer of skin. The point here is to needle every square nanometer of skin which I can almost guarantee no one has been doing. If people start doing this we should start seeing even better/quicker results than what we already have from needling.

Not sure I really get this thread. What's all this about 'plucking'? Does extreme density needling as Follica suggests cause the plucking?

 

[newdutuser10]

I'm not buying this anymore. I believe that Follica has something up it's sleeve but I'm already getting amazing results on my temples using everyday or every other day microneedling. As I said before in this thread and the other dermarolling thread that I would continue experimenting with high frequency needling and I upped this routine to three times a week with a dermapen and the next week I'll go 6 times a week with a dermaroller and I'm seeing rapid regrowth in my temples and no those shitty pussy wispy hair but dense dark hairs.



I now personally believe that Follica's style of microneedling is not possible at home and I was wrong about a lot of things so I'll share my personal experience with you:

1. The idea that you have to use a 192 needle dermaroller because the one with 520 needles isn't exactly are real dermaroller is false. This more needles the better for me personally.
2. It still stings me when I apply minoxidil immediately after and just like Rachita Dhurat's study my target has been mild erythema. I think this form just increases the absorption of minoxidil and makes it more potent.
   
3. There are too many people out there who have had almost magical rapid improvement with a higher frequency for us to not try this for 4-5 months to see if it works or not. Of course, you cannot expect it to work for everyone but it is definitely worth a shot.

Dislike this post all you want but I'm starting to doubt that we can do Follica at home.


For the next few months I'm going with that big *** dermaroller with 1200 pins to see what happens.

 

[ComeBackTemples]

Jealous newdutuser, can you share a bit more about your regime:
Which dermapen?
How Frequent and what depth?
How often do you apply minoxidil?
How long did it take until you saw results?

Cheers and keep the good work up

 

[newdutuser10]

Jealous newdutuser, can you share a bit more about your regime:
Which dermapen?
How Frequent and what depth?
How often do you apply minoxidil?
How long did it take until you saw results?

Cheers and keep the good work up

I'm not shoving it into my scalp but just rolling in order to get red skin. I'm doing 10 vertical and 10 horizonal twice. I'll start with my crown and dermaroller 10 times vertical and 10 times horizontal and come up to my hairline, temple points and temples and then do this exact same thing again, so a total of 2 times all over the head. I apply minoxidil immediately after. The depth is irrelevant and I'm going for light to medium pressure with the aim of getting red skin all over my scalp. I'm seeing results very quickly and I started this in November 8th, 2019

 

[HAIRGOAT]

I'm not buying this anymore. I believe that Follica has something up it's sleeve but I'm already getting amazing results on my temples using everyday or every other day microneedling. As I said before in this thread and the other dermarolling thread that I would continue experimenting with high frequency needling and I upped this routine to three times a week with a dermapen and the next week I'll go 6 times a week with a dermaroller and I'm seeing rapid regrowth in my temples and no those shitty pussy wispy hair but dense dark hairs.



I now personally believe that Follica's style of microneedling is not possible at home and I was wrong about a lot of things so I'll share my personal experience with you:

1. The idea that you have to use a 192 needle dermaroller because the one with 520 needles isn't exactly are real dermaroller is false. This more needles the better for me personally.
2. It still stings me when I apply minoxidil immediately after and just like Rachita Dhurat's study my target has been mild erythema. I think this form just increases the absorption of minoxidil and makes it more potent.
   
3. There are too many people out there who have had almost magical rapid improvement with a higher frequency for us to not try this for 4-5 months to see if it works or not. Of course, you cannot expect it to work for everyone but it is definitely worth a shot.

Dislike this post all you want but I'm starting to doubt that we can do Follica at home.


For the next few months I'm going with that big *** dermaroller with 1200 pins to see what happens.

I was doing daily but with the intention of doing daily plus follica style but takes like 5 days for my head to stop hurting after so i not really tried lol did love that early morning day 0.25 itch scratching feeling

 

[Xenophon]

I'm not shoving it into my scalp but just rolling in order to get red skin. I'm doing 10 vertical and 10 horizonal twice. I'll start with my crown and dermaroller 10 times vertical and 10 times horizontal and come up to my hairline, temple points and temples and then do this exact same thing again, so a total of 2 times all over the head. I apply minoxidil immediately after. The depth is irrelevant and I'm going for light to medium pressure with the aim of getting red skin all over my scalp. I'm seeing results very quickly and I started this in November 8th, 2019

What type of balding pattern do you have and with what depth are using high frequency needling, 0.25?

I'm merely diffuse. I had my hairline rebuilt a year ago. Thus without a bald spot I may have some room to experiment with dermapen use, but on the other hand I'm already 'experimenting' a bit by not using minoxidil, let alone finasteride, instead going with EO/caffeine.

(I am a pretty weak responder to minoxidil but I think it messes with my eyes, and I think it accelerated facial wrinkles whereas I have always had a baby face. And aside from my frontal recession which I fixed with surgery, the rest is just a mild diffuse thinning on the overall crown, which I have had no trouble maintaining density and reducing scalp visibility over the last 4 years. For this reason I believe in my case rosemary and caffeine can preserve the non-transplanted density equally well as minoxidil does. This blend has the circulatory benefits of minoxidil plus androgen/inflammation/ATP/nutrient delivery, which minoxidil lacks. If the EO blend doesn't work so well, then I'll just go with Zix. Mixing up Zix every two weeks and going to the fridge to apply it to my head twice a day is less appealing than just massaging in EO's, or simply rolling it on with a stick when I'm in a hurry)

 

[Ivo Shandor]

Almost everything you've read is based off of the Dhurat microneedling study, and subsequent copycat studies from years ago. The reason people say to follow that protocol is because it works, and until recently we have had no other studies to go by.

Good info, thanks. I'm going to purchase a dermapen, but before finding this forum a few days ago had no idea which to plump for.