Follica Microneedling Protocol Patent Disclosed

[Lurker85]

Anyone else finding it ridiculous that we need to test on ourselves to find the cure? You'd think by now a company with any decent budget would have found something. If a cure was found, even if it only took 1 application, the company would make billions just because of the amount of people who would buy it. Even if they cured their entire customer base, there will always be more people growing older and getting this curse.

 

[fuDHTck]

Can someone give me a TLDR of what's the Follica protocol everyone seems to be doing in this thread?

 

[John Difool]

Anyone else finding it ridiculous that we need to test on ourselves to find the cure? You'd think by now a company with any decent budget would have found something. If a cure was found, even if it only took 1 application, the company would make billions just because of the amount of people who would buy it. Even if they cured their entire customer base, there will always be more people growing older and getting this curse.

I actually don't mind. I am tired of reading the reports that are done on in vitro and mice. If I need to wait 10 years to save my hair, I'd rather find another way because life is now, not when you are dead (and bald.)

 

[John Difool]

The Derminator 2 needles are very poorly manufactured. They don't stand a 30 minute session as the needle head will come lose eventually. I've ran 3 times into the same issue with different shipments.

 

[eivbisi]

The Derminator 2 needles are very poorly manufactured. They don't stand a 30 minute session as the needle head will come lose eventually. I've ran 3 times into the same issue with different shipments.

ive had the problem with the cartridges a lot of times, i think it mostly happens to me when i submerge the needles in alcohol before microneedling. Maybe the alcohol moving in there while its vibrating f*** ups the glue so the needlehead falls out.

 

[HAIRGOAT]

Odd, I've never had this issue. Maybe something is wrong with the device. If it were the cartridges then everyone should be having the same problem.

I had one fail when i left it in 70% rubbing alcohol too long they are blunt as sh*t after 15mins with me tho.

i got a m8 from china with 10 needles for £50 its in quarantine with all my mail at the moment. Makes me laugh everyone's fighting for food and toilet roll and im like do i have enough minoxidil finasteride and needles heads.
A Apocalypse situation stopped me worrying about my hair for like 4 days tops

 

[baldlygoing]

Yeah I have to constantly secure the cartridge when I'm using mine because it gets loose. Not a huge deal though.

Mine still haven't come in, which sucks because now would be the perfect time being stuck inside. I had a couple of 9-needle cartridges that were included when I first bought it but tossed them a few months ago thinking "I'll never need these".

 

[baldlygoing]

So frustrating...just checked my hairline and have little vellous hairs popping up everywhere and now I have to stop. I have cheap dermarollers ranging from .25MM up to 1.5MM so considering doing daily rolling but also wondering if a break might kick things up as well.

All speculation but anyone have thoughts on the matter?

 

[PolishGuy]

What about using tattoo machine instead of dermapen, what do You think?

 

[PolishGuy]

What do You mean by too big? You can control depth on the machine and what is more you can buy pen style tattoo machines with cartridges, I doubt that tattoo needleas are thicker then those used in dermapens.

 

[John Difool]

Someone should start a crowd funding to build a home device based on the same specs as the Follica one.

 

[John Difool]

Good time to take a break imo. I don't think this protocol is meant to be continued indefinitely.

So the plan is to get neogenesis with enough density for terminal hair and call it quit?

 

[John Difool]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-insights-hair-growth-adults.html


Not unexpectedly the new hair follicles were accompanied with skin tumors. But, promisingly, treatment with Hedgehog-pathway inhibitor Vismodegib restricted tumor growth while keeping the new follicles intact.

Maybe using Vismodegib in conjunction with SAG?

 

[Satchel]

After looking at the plucked hair diagram, I am wondering if the people previously doing the daily wounding vs. the bi-weekly were just achieving the wounding density needed because they were doing it so frequently.

 

[jumpingjackgazz]

So frustrating...just checked my hairline and have little vellous hairs popping up everywhere and now I have to stop. I have cheap dermarollers ranging from .25MM up to 1.5MM so considering doing daily rolling but also wondering if a break might kick things up as well.

All speculation but anyone have thoughts on the matter?

Why do you have to stop ?

 

[Satchel]

After looking at the plucked hair diagram, I am wondering if the people previously doing the daily wounding vs. the bi-weekly were just achieving the wounding density needed because they were doing it so frequently.

Some further thoughts. Follica has been working for years trying to find out what could be used in conjunction with wounding to get follicle neogenesis. They were researching signaling pathways. It appears that the wounding density causes the proper signaling for the stem cells, not what chemical they could add.

 

[Satchel]

Here are the pictures of my second follica protocol treatment. This time with 1mm and less pressure which hopefully ends up at the 0.8mm as required. It is definitely less blood as with 0.75mm and Hard pressure.

Do your temples look roughly the same as mine after treatment

I am not sure you are doing the protocol correctly? I believe you need to be wounding into the areas where you have hair. This triggers the plucked hair response.

 

[John Difool]

After looking at the plucked hair diagram, I am wondering if the people previously doing the daily wounding vs. the bi-weekly were just achieving the wounding density needed because they were doing it so frequently.

This hypothesis doesn't resonate with me. If the healing process of wounding holes is disturbed by another punch in the next successive days, then that should cause more damages than benefit as the wound will be reopened. It would be interesting to find out the probability of a needle striking a healing hole based on frequency and duration of the sessions.

 

[Satchel]

Then why did they only get 10% growth compared to 40% when adding minoxidil. Fgf9 and shh-gli signaling are required for hair follicle morphogenesis. Wound all you want , but without those in high levels you won't get much neogenesis

Does quorum sensing rely on Fgf9 and shh-gli signaling? Does minoxidil provide those? Not disagreeing, I just don't know. I think the quorum sensing is the newest puzzle piece for wounding?

 

[Satchel]

This hypothesis doesn't resonate with me. If the healing process of wounding holes is disturbed by another punch in the next successive days, then that should cause more damages than benefit as the wound will be reopened. It would be interesting to find out the probability of a needle striking a healing hole based on frequency and duration of the sessions.

As in my reply to pegasus2; I think that quorum sensing was the latest puzzle piece for Follica. I would have to go back through all of the data they put out to be sure. I don't remember seeing it though.