Follica Microneedling Protocol Patent Disclosed

[Ralph Wiggum]

According to their website Follica should publish their half year report around the end of August

Thanks, would you mind providing a link?

 

[glammetal]

Thanks, would you mind providing a link?

Follica

puretechhealth.com

Under the photo with the yellow grass

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Follica

puretechhealth.com

Under the photo with the yellow grass

Thanks. Sorry to be dense but where do they specify August?

On my end, I see this:

Follica is developing a regenerative biology platform that is based on generating an “embryonic window” in adults via a series of skin disruptions, stimulating stem cells causing new hair follicles to grow. Follica’s proprietary in-office treatment combines the targeted scalp micro-disruption device with a topical on-market drug to create and grow new hairs. Follica completed a safety and efficacy optimization study and a Phase 3 registration program in male androgenetic alopecia is expected to begin in 2021.

 

[glammetal]

In other years i searched and found that their half year reports are published by the end of August. In the link i posred they mention that tgey will proceed to phase 3 in 2O21

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

Follica says their treatment creates new hairs, but I don't buy it. Microneedling does not create new hairs, and you'd have to continuously repeat the treatment, at least according to what Dr. Rassman says:

 

[KNemo]

Follica have research showing neogenesis from wounding and other research on humans showing increased hair density after wounding.
Rassman have not researched this and have not given any reasons to doubt Follica at least in public. Believe what you want.

 

[trialAcc]

Follica says their treatment creates new hairs, but I don't buy it. Microneedling does not create new hairs, and you'd have to continuously repeat the treatment, at least according to what Dr. Rassman says:

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Micro needling does create new hairs. That's why people use it on their beards as well when they can't grow anything more then stubble, and after a year some have insane results.

Rassman could/probably is correct in that the hairs would still be programmed to miniaturize because of their location and genetic coding, but the hair follicles are still new.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

Follica have research showing neogenesis from wounding and other research on humans showing increased hair density after wounding.
Rassman have not researched this and have not given any reasons to doubt Follica at least in public. Believe what you want.

For the record, Rassmann is a staunch advocate of microneedling.

@trialAcc: Rassmann didn't mean that they're programmed to minituarize in their location, although this can be easily inferred from his comment, but that the hair brough back will subsist only as long as you keep treating it.

 

[trialAcc]

For the record, Rassmann is a staunch advocate of microneedling.

@trialAcc: Rassmann didn't mean that they're programmed to minituarize in their location, although this can be easily inferred from his comment, but that the hair brough back will subsist only as long as you keep treating it.

I don't think there is any other way to infer that though, because beard gains from rolling are permanent (or at least linger for a long time after treatment). This doesn't occur in the scalp.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

What are the proofs of this gentleman?

Ask him yourself on tressless. If you mention Follica to him, he might say he doesn't know enough about their methods.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

So you says that "Follica says their treatment creates new hairs, but I don't buy it. Microneedling does not create new hairs, and you'd have to continuously repeat the treatment, at least according to what" because someone has said that?!

So, if Dr. Rassman says "They are aliens on the moon", you will say "there are aliens on the moon"?

It is not a very scientific process.

I am not Dr. Rassman, but he's knowledgeable and has 40 years of experience in the field and he has been heavily criticized for discrediting many treatments which have been debunked by recent studies, such as PRP (Ten years ago Cooley and Hitzig said "he should retire"), Acell (a treatment from which nothing has yet come out although Dr. Cole is running studies on it), Dr. Gho (see flame wars on forums), Pilofocus, laser, scalp massage, nofap and Nizoral shampoo.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

It's not a good argument. Raoult in France is a very popular scientist but his chloroquine doesn't work against COVID, most of most of his predictions turned out to be false and his last studies have a very bad methodology.

Only well-conducted scientific studies can prove anything.

That's why I'm saying someone should ask him. I would, but I don't know too much about microneedling, apart from the Follica studies which I've glossed over.

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

This is what Dr. Rassman said on his blog. I don't think there's a specific study but obviously he has many years of expertise to base his conclusions on.

When Microneedling produces hair, how long will it last? – WRassman,M.D. BaldingBlog

Generally, the dermaroller (the microneedling device) induces Anagen, a single hair cycle and it should be sustained for the duration of the growth cycle. After the hair goes into telogen (about 2-3 years for men and 3-5 years for women), the pre-treatment state should return so you would have to go through the entire dermroller treatment all over again. Microneedling induces wound healing and the release of inflammatory molecules that can stimulate hair growth bringing hairs that have stem cell present back to functioning and into the anagen growth cycle.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

This is what Dr. Rassman said on his blog. I don't think there's a specific study but obviously he has many years of expertise to base his conclusions on.

When Microneedling produces hair, how long will it last? – WRassman,M.D. BaldingBlog

Generally, the dermaroller (the microneedling device) induces Anagen, a single hair cycle and it should be sustained for the duration of the growth cycle. After the hair goes into telogen (about 2-3 years for men and 3-5 years for women), the pre-treatment state should return so you would have to go through the entire dermroller treatment all over again. Microneedling induces wound healing and the release of inflammatory molecules that can stimulate hair growth bringing hairs that have stem cell present back to functioning and into the anagen growth cycle.

That's contradictory to what he wrote in the recent entry he posted. (Maybe it was just lazily written.) But he doesn't have anything to say about neogenesis, maybe because he hasn't done studies like Follica have.

 

[cloudsanrain]

The hair looks longer .Thats all I see .

 

[glammetal]

Does anybody know if the treatment of Follica would enrich the donor area and the recipoent area after a hair transplant??

 

[KNemo]

Does anybody know if the treatment of Follica would enrich the donor area and the recipoent area after a hair transplant??

AFAIK there haven't been any studies about this however if it truly generates new hair follicles it should. It's possible fibrosis could reduce the effects but even then microneedling reduces fibrosis...

 

[Chromeo]

It seems than microneedling doesn't remain when we stop it. What do you think about?

https://www.reddit.com/r/HairlossProgressPics/comments/kgvxvb

He stopped all of his regime (finasteride, minoxidil, dermarolling) so of course all gains will be lost. For a start, any hairs regrown on the top of the head by dermarolling are still susceptible to the negative effects of DHT, so without finasteride they will miniaturise the same way they did before. They are not DHT-resistant hairs like those from the donor area.

 

[clarence-forgotpassword]

He stopped all of his regime (finasteride, minoxidil, dermarolling) so of course all gains will be lost. For a start, any hairs regrown on the top of the head by dermarolling are still susceptible to the negative effects of DHT, so without finasteride they will miniaturise the same way they did before. They are not DHT-resistant hairs like those from the donor area.

Lol, that's saying nothing whether it will take a few months after stopping, or if it will take 20-30 years like his original hair.

 

[glammetal]

AFAIK there haven't been any studies about this however if it truly generates new hair follicles it should. It's possible fibrosis could reduce the effects but even then microneedling reduces fibrosis...

Damn that follica finished phase 2 in December 2019.They take this thing too damn slow