Follica - Other New Patent 2017 - Methods For Treating Baldness And Promoting Hair Growth

[Noisette]

Hi members of HairLossTalk.com, and Hi lurkers

I have decided to create an another thread for this one. I Hope you don't mind.
For those who have not the time to browse the other thread, on the lookout for news.

Since I have read, on the puretech health document, that Follica have received 2 grants of patent in April 2017.
I wanted to know what is the other one. Is it new ? It seems to be an old patent with new informations included.

Patent published 14 June 2017, called " Methods for treating baldness and promoting hair growth ".

" The invention relates to a hair growth promoting agent for use in a method for treating baldness in a human subject. The invention further relates to a method for non-therapeutic treatment of baldness in a subject comprising the administration of a hair growth promoting agent to the subject. The methods comprise the integumental perturbation of an affected area of skin of the human subject, wherein the integumental perturbation is accomplished by microneedling. The hair growth promoting agent is minoxidil " .

I have no time to read it tonight, because it's 2 am for us in France. But feel free to take a look.

Cheers

Source: www.google.com/patents/EP3178465A1?cl=en&hair loss=fr

 

[westonci]

nice find

 

[Xaser94]

more than a decade and minoxidil only...that's crazy. Not that I wouldn't use it. Wounding with minoxidil has yielded impressive results. I am absultely interested. But the fact its gonna take them more than a decade to release this when it's going through just the 410k approval process is almost insulting to the ppl who had hair worth saving in the early 2000s. I hope they optimize to get atleast a couple norwoods back.

 

[Noisette]

more than a decade and minoxidil only...that's crazy. Not that I wouldn't use it. Wounding with minoxidil has yielded impressive results. I am absultely interested. But the fact its gonna take them more than a decade to release this when it's going through just the 410k approval process is almost insulting to the ppl who had hair worth saving in the early 2000s. I hope they optimize to get atleast a couple norwoods back.

Yes I understand bro... But It's the hair growth agent. And I think there are others compounds
" the methods of integumental perturbation are accompanied by administration of a pharmaceutical composition comprising a hair growth-promoting agent. "

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

On behalf of this forum, for your hard work and dedication toward fighting the good fight, informing the masses, and raising the average IQ of this place by at least a few points, I give you, Noisette, my body...

...do with it as you please..

Also, do you mind giving the source for the second item you posted? The pdf.

 

[hellouser]

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2017 Q4 clearance looks promising.

 

[mpanju]

more than a decade and minoxidil only...that's crazy. Not that I wouldn't use it. Wounding with minoxidil has yielded impressive results. I am absultely interested. But the fact its gonna take them more than a decade to release this when it's going through just the 410k approval process is almost insulting to the ppl who had hair worth saving in the early 2000s. I hope they optimize to get atleast a couple norwoods back.

Dig a bit deeper... minoxidil + a host of other potential agents...

[0065]

In particular aspects, the hair growth-promoting agent used in accordance with this aspect enhances conversion of vellus hair to nonvellus hair. In one such aspect, the hair growth-promoting agent enhances conversion of vellus hair to terminal hair. Exemplary hair growth-promoting agents that promote conversion of vellus to nonvellus or terminal hair that may be used in accordance with this aspect are prostaglandin F2α analogs (in one aspect, latanoprost), prostamides (in one aspect, e.g., bimatoprost), minoxidil, etc. In one embodiment, minoxidil is administered in combination with a prostaglandin F2α analog. In one embodiment, minoxidil is administered in combination with a prostamide. In one embodiment, minoxidil is administered in combination with a 5α-reductase inhibitor. In one such embodiment, minoxidil is administered in combination with finasteride. Methods and pharmaceutical compositions comprising "hair growth-promoting agents" for use in accordance with this aspect are described in Section 5.3 infra.

 

[c_super2]

I don't get it. This is just swisstemples sh*t. I cant believe people where waiting so long for follica for it to be just wounding and minoxidil.

However, I am considering starting to do this right away.

 

[That Guy]

Noisette is really bringin' the Follica goods lately, damn

 

[MrV88]

Noisette is really bringin' the Follica goods lately, damn

But Follica ain't bringing the real deal damn....

 

[H]

Well that's kinda disappointing

 

[MrV88]

Years of research and they come up with a microneedling and as main ingredient minoxidil, maybe some side ingredients. That's just ridiculous. I'm not not surprised anymore that nobody wants to invest in crap like this...

Hope Japan will finally fix this sh*t or we are doomed if we trust Europe and USA

 

[tracker54]

Well, the good news is that minoxidil is pretty cheap. So hopefully this new method won't break the bank. The bad news is that it sounds like good ol' minoxidil...using whatever apparatus they're making, once or twice a day.

 

[That Guy]

But Follica ain't bringing the real deal damn....

Minoxidil + Wounding is the only proven method of regrowing a significant amount of hair without becoming a woman; end of that discussion.

It must be better than conventional treatments in terms of regrowth by a cosmetically relevant amount to capture the market who is presently uninterested in treatments that don't grow much hair and are obviously not investing in expensive transplants. Sorry, but this isn't like buying lasercombs and black market drugs out of China or Mexico or some "stem cell" therapy con-clinics in the Bahamas are advertising.

Just lol @ everyone who is like "ugh minoxidil!!!" You're all flipping out over the fact that they are utilizing the ONLY thing on the market that regrows hair. This is why I've become so disenchanted and apathetic to "the community" as of late — you're creating your own misery.

Sorry to tell you guys this, but the reality is that the miracle drug you just massage into your scalp and then in 90 days all of your hair is back, indefinitely, and with no side effects is never coming and if hair cloning does happen in Japan in 2020, the number of you who will actually follow through and be willing to pay out of pocket or go into debt for the inevitable costs involved will be a single-digit number.

So you can either get on board with what's actually going to work, is cost effective, and might come out before 2030, or be bald.

 

[MrV88]

Minoxidil + Wounding is the only proven method of regrowing a significant amount of hair; end of that discussion.

It must be better than conventional treatments in terms of regrowth by a cosmetically relevant amount to capture the market who is presently uninterested in treatments that don't grow much hair and are obviously not investing in expensive transplants. Sorry, but this isn't like buying lasercombs and black market drugs out of China or Mexico or some "stem cell" therapy con-clinics in the Bahamas are advertising.

Just lol @ everyone who is like "ugh minoxidil!!!" You're all flipping out over the fact that they are utilizing the ONLY thing on the market that regrows hair. This is why I've become so disenchanted and apathetic to "the community" as of late — you're creating your own misery.

Sorry to tell you guys this, but the reality is that the miracle drug you just massage into your scalp and then in 90 days all of your hair is back, indefinitely, and with no side effects is never coming and if hair cloning does happen in Japan in 2020, the number of you who will actually follow through and be willing to pay out of pocket or go into debt for the inevitable costs involved will be a single-digit number.

So you can either get on board with what's actually going to work, is cost effective, and might come out before 2030, or be bald.

Sorry but İF it is really proven why are we BALD?
Don't know even one guy who went from NW7 to 0 with that and can't imagine that someone will ever be.
I'm taking minoxidil for years and it helped me slowing down the process, but regrowth? Really? Even if it regrowths a small amount after years you lose it again.
I would be happy if minoxidil and microneedling are somehow the cure, but they aren't, definitely no discussion needed.
Personally I don't want a drug/cream/lotion/mermaid milk at all, inject me something or clone it. I really don't care I just want it to be done forever.

 

[H]

Minoxidil + Wounding is the only proven method of regrowing a significant amount of hair without becoming a woman; end of that discussion.

It must be better than conventional treatments in terms of regrowth by a cosmetically relevant amount to capture the market who is presently uninterested in treatments that don't grow much hair and are obviously not investing in expensive transplants. Sorry, but this isn't like buying lasercombs and black market drugs out of China or Mexico or some "stem cell" therapy con-clinics in the Bahamas are advertising.

Just lol @ everyone who is like "ugh minoxidil!!!" You're all flipping out over the fact that they are utilizing the ONLY thing on the market that regrows hair. This is why I've become so disenchanted and apathetic to "the community" as of late — you're creating your own misery.

Sorry to tell you guys this, but the reality is that the miracle drug you just massage into your scalp and then in 90 days all of your hair is back, indefinitely, and with no side effects is never coming and if hair cloning does happen in Japan in 2020, the number of you who will actually follow through and be willing to pay out of pocket or go into debt for the inevitable costs involved will be a single-digit number.

So you can either get on board with what's actually going to work, is cost effective, and might come out before 2030, or be bald.

I actually don't mind the whole minoxidil deal IFFFFFFFFFFF...F! this does bring back good appealing amount of hair which i gotta see because I am skeptical especially now that I know min has a role to play. I know it helps some men but I've never seen it as that powerful of a drug, its just well all they can come up with. The dhurat pictures make me believe that this works but I would prefer more regrowth then what they portrayed... I do hope they succeed even if its not an option for me hopefully for many others.

 

[Christian Miller]

Sorry but İF it is really proven why are we BALD?
Don't know even one guy who went from NW7 to 0 with that and can't imagine that someone will ever be.
I'm taking minoxidil for years and it helped me slowing down the process, but regrowth? Really? Even if it regrowths a small amount after years you lose it again.
I would be happy if minoxidil and microneedling are somehow the cure, but they aren't, definitely no discussion needed.
Personally I don't want a drug/cream/lotion/mermaid milk at all, inject me something or clone it. I really don't care I just want it to be done forever.

You either take what you are given or leave it and move on.
Even if Tsuji's deed works out just fine, you can never be sure the new hairs won't degenerate in the long run.

 

[Dolph]

lol @ anyone who was optimistic about follica. I do dermarolling (Indian protocol) with minoxidil and it helps with maintenance, no regrowth. some people will inevitably respond better, but this isn't a breakthrough.

I'm looking forward to polichem and breezula, personally.

 

[MrV88]

You either take what you are given or leave it and move on.
Even if Tsuji's deed works out just fine, you can never be sure the new hairs won't degenerate in the long run.

I think that our biggest problem is the limited donor area and even if the new Tsujis will fall out or diminish we can get them back again or they improve it over time, so they won't diminish.

 

[That Guy]

Sorry but İF it is really proven why are we BALD?

JAK is proven to be effective for AA. Why do people still have AA?

Don't know even one guy who went from NW7 to 0 with that and can't imagine that someone will ever be.

@Somebody was on his way there; check out his thread — he's the posterboy for wounding and minoxidil success.

I do hope they succeed even if its not an option for me hopefully

It is an option for everyone.

There is no reason Follica would produce lesser results than the Dhurat study which left even significantly-balding patients moderately diffusing at worst. We also know that the process can be repeated as the device has an attachment that allows it to bypass existing hair. Actually, we've known that the process is repeatable, with good results, since before this device's patent.

If the results of Follica aren't to one's liking, then it's going to boil down to literally not caring enough about your hairloss to do anything about it.