Great video every guy who's losing their hair should watch

[alexpie2]

Fred, use the internet. It really is not hard finding a post of someone stating they are happy with their bald head. If you say that these people are "lying and pretending," then there is no point in arguing.

 

[Rudiger]

He's admitted there's exceptions, but even so- the guys who are truly comfortable with their bald head wouldn't ever feel the need to clarify that by posting about it, so there's no real way of me putting out evidence anyway (I don't think slybaldguys would count either as arguably a lot of them are just covering up their sadness, that's why they feel the need to post on forums about it, but I don't know this for sure as I've never looked around that site).

The kind of guys I'm thinking about handle the topic (when it eventually comes up jokingly with people socially) with such unflinching ease, like they're talking about absolutely anything, that you can tell this truly doesn't bother them. Undoubtedly they'd still prefer hair, that doesn't need explaining, but to assume that nearly every bald guy is seriously depressed over it?

And this is based on.... nothing! Apart from one's own depression and failing to understand how others possibly can't be depressed over it- and that just sums up your take on this Fred, it's just all from your perspective and not based on anyone else apart from other depressed "realists" on here that you like to read about.

 

[uncomfortable man]

Dont forget that denial is also a strong force when dealing with hairloss. Avoid the mirror, pretend you dont have a problem. But you cant avoid seeing others reaction to your appearance, so they become the mirror. Others genuinely arent invested in society or what others think, so baldness doesnt hold the same impact... think dannyboy. Maybe not all bald guys are as obsessed as I or fred but logic would dictate that the majority of guys ARE upset about going bald. Are you really trying to argue that you think guys are stoked upon this news and totally looking forward to being bald? Exceptions, right. Thats one of them. Dont try to pretend that its not common knowledge that baldness is by and large seen as a negative thing..universally. Why do people come to this site? Why did you come to this site? To celebrate baldness and to learn how to speed up your balding process so you can join the club faster OR did you come here to avoid becoming bald? Why dont you want to be bald? Surely if all this percieved social mockery is in our heads like you claim there should be no consequence to you personally loosing all your hair.

Stop playing devils advocate for the sake of debate and look at the subject matter at hand. Is it encouraged or discouraged in our society for men to be vain? Or complain? Or cry? Discouraged right, so why would someone who is already at a disadvantage further sully their impression by showing weakness? bald guys have no choice but to buck up, take it on the chin or even make a self depricating joke (the worst kind) and act like its no big deal. They wouldnt let us do otherwise! What was the quote?

"If you want to tell the truth, make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill ya."

 

[Rudiger]

Oh that just pissed me off so congratulations, that was some grade A fleeting ignorant nonsense right there.

Are you really trying to argue that you think guys are stoked upon this news and totally looking forward to being bald?

The kind of guys I'm thinking about handle the topic (when it eventually comes up jokingly with people socially) with such unflinching ease, like they're talking about absolutely anything, that you can tell this truly doesn't bother them. Undoubtedly they'd still prefer hair, that doesn't need explaining...

Stoked about it? Where did I ever suggest that? I shouldn't even have to clarify that when I say a guys "comfortable" with it, meaning he gets by without constantly checking his hairline, worrying about reactions, etc.

I'm not going to put a number on this and pretend like Fred does that I could have any sort of reasonable clue, but I would agree that baldness seriously affects a significant amount of guys going through it, especially from their 20's or 30's, even older than that, it gets to a lot of people, and not all of them come on baldness forums to discuss it.

Dont try to pretend that its not common knowledge that baldness is by and large seen as a negative thing..universally. Why do people come to this site? Why did you come to this site? To celebrate baldness and to learn how to speed up your balding process so you can join the club faster OR did you come here to avoid becoming bald? Why dont you want to be bald? Surely if all this percieved social mockery is in our heads like you claim there should be no consequence to you personally loosing all your hair.

When did I ever pretend that this isn't common knowledge? I always allude to the fact that baldness is undoubtedly a negative thing, and even those who are most "comfortable" with it still would obviously prefer to have hair, and even if they had hair and wanted to be bald they could just shave it anyway.

Hell I just pointed out how it's likely that the SlyBaldGuys are probably masking their huge insecurity by posting their overly positive crap, maybe you should pay more attention before you read a post that's not instantly assuming every bald guy is suicidal, and jump to the conclusion that I'm saying everything must be ****ing rosey. If I really wanted to push the positivity agenda I could use that forum as an example or at the very least avoid mentioning it at all, because it's clearly bull****.

As for saying ALL the social mockery is in your heads, nope, I believe both of Fred's stories, I sympathised with the last one in that thread about being unemployed and bald, so where the **** you are getting your bull**** conclusions from, I have no idea.

Now I don't expect you to have read everything but this was just the last page and my own personal sensitivity to baldness:

From time to time people do joke about it, which I don't accept because I'm too sensitive about it (and thus, why I'm on a hair loss forum)

I was talking about how the guys who are comfortable about it would obviously not be posting on this forum, as in, obviously I'm not comfortable about it. I'm way more comfortable than I was a year ago, but still very self-conscious about it. And I was alluding to how Fred's interpretation of EVERY bald guy being depressed is because he thinks this forum is a great representation of all bald guys. It's like going on SlyBaldGuys and thinking gee, aren't bald guys positive and chirpy about their awful follicles?

Obviously I'm here to improve my hair, and also to be helped, help others, and plenty of people don't come here for the 2nd and 3rd reasons.

So just to clarify, are you in agreement that nearly every single bald guy is as depressed and sensitive about balding as us on here? It's not like, 30%, 50%, or anything, it's like 99% of guys out there are seriously depressed about it. Because if you or Fred could use some logic then you might realise that the millions of guys suffering baldness mixed in with already prevalent mental health problems would mean the bald suicide rate would be enormous. Guys do of course end it because of baldness, but if everyone was seriously depressed about it we'd be dropping like flies.

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I take your point about men being discouraged to talk about it, but the point I was making is how genuinely smooth some bald guys are when joking about their baldness, and I look for signs of weakness or being uncomfortable but I genuinely see nothing. I have also seen other guys who do clearly have a problem with it, nervously laugh it off as they go red and embarrassed.

But this:

Stop playing devils advocate for the sake of debate and look at the subject matter at hand.

Did you read, any of this thread?

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/showthread.php/96352-Great-video-every-guy-who-s-losing-their-hair-should-watch?p=1287664&viewfull=1#post1287664

I just said "plenty of guys are SOMEWHAT comfortable" - I never said that everyone ****ing loves it, I meant some guys deal with it better than we do here. And the response was that ALL of them are lying, every single one of them, so who's playing devil's advocate for the sake of debate here?

A reasonable response would be like "some guys are good at pretending to be comfortable with it" yep fine, I can't guarantee what's going on in someone else's head, and neither can Fred when he acts so confident that he knows what every bald guy on the planet is thinking. And what I'm saying is, bald guys who are somewhat OK with being bald, probably because they don't care that much about their appearance anyway, or even that they're stupid as hell and don't even realise how bad it is, these guys do exist. Is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[uncomfortable man]

Sorry if I didnt catch all your detailed exceptions. Yes you did say those things. But it was also my impression from your posts that you are asserting that most guys who go bald are just fine with it and it doesnt affect them in the slightest and I have a hard time agreeing with that. Thank you for admitting that probably most guys are upset about baldness... just like how I have aknowledged those who would be ok with it exist. We all know there are exceptions to everything and we could argue percentages but I dont think we need to anymore.

 

[Rudiger]

But it was also my impression from your posts that you are asserting that most guys who go bald are just fine with it and it doesnt affect them in the slightest and I have a hard time agreeing with that.

Yes and I was going through my previous posts, both to reply to you, but also to see how I gave such an impression, and there was nothing.

This is how the place works, either you're a "realist" who constantly puts down literally everything a bald guy does (eg. Fred saying that muscular bald guys just look like "overcompensating losers" lol) or you're a SlyBaldGuy here to pump us all full of false optimism, and I don't want to fall into either category because both are bull****.

So what happened is that you saw me looking at the possibility SOME guys are OK with it, and you labelled me as saying ALL guys are perfectly happy with it, that I can't wait to be bald, society loves bald guys etc. etc. so maybe next time take a step back before jumping to these conclusions.

I mis-read what you meant about the exceptions, I understand you're admitting that some guys deal with it better than others so we're actually in agreement there (and we probably have been in agreement anyway, your initial post just really threw us way off course) and as we're saying, yes talking about numbers is pointless, because I'm only basing my vague assertion that "some guys deal with it" on personal experience and nothing else, but one thing I can say is that 99% of guys are not as affected as badly as Fred is so certain of (or rather, Fred WANTS them to be). And that's really the bones of the debate here, I'm not really arguing against anything else.

 

[Goldee Lox]

h.l. in here dropping knowledge.

 

[Dench57]

He looked much better with it closed shaved rather than slick. Actually looked better than with hair. He's got the masculine features to pull off that look.

 

[Hairloss23]

He looked much better with it closed shaved rather than slick. Actually looked better than with hair. He's got the masculine features to pull off that look.

But like he said he wanted to get ready for what it would be like to be slick bald. Jesus Dench how could you be so obtuse?

 

[DannyBoyy]

I still dont get why someone like myself cant be here yet be fine with hairloss now, i understand to begin with thinking i care but once i say i dont etc etc you all should know. Why my signature is what it is so people understand my place here, trust me i would say if i hated it but i have learned now people are gonna think what they like and you guys nee to understand that aswell. Oh and Slybaldguys isnt as bad as you all think, there was people with similar concerns here what gone there asking questions, they are more honest then you all think. So dont see what you wanna see there, go there for a bit and you will see for yourself. Could some be lying? sure but to think all is silly, same for any forum etc etc.

 

[blackg]

Have any of you guyz seen the new Star Wars? Any bald men, apart from the bad dudes?

 

[Rudiger]

I still dont get why someone like myself cant be here yet be fine with hairloss now, i understand to begin with thinking i care but once i say i dont etc etc you all should know. Why my signature is what it is so people understand my place here, trust me i would say if i hated it but i have learned now people are gonna think what they like and you guys nee to understand that aswell. Oh and Slybaldguys isnt as bad as you all think, there was people with similar concerns here what gone there asking questions, they are more honest then you all think. So dont see what you wanna see there, go there for a bit and you will see for yourself. Could some be lying? sure but to think all is silly, same for any forum etc etc.

After I wrote earlier that I couldn't judge SlyBaldGuys too much as I hadn't been there, I had a wander around there, OK I'll admit that initially I did intentionally just look for the more deluded topics just for kicks, but you're right I did notice there was more depth to it than what I thought. People had just the same issues as what plenty of us have here and they weren't hiding away from it. And also to be fair, the guys replying to them and actually supporting them weren't being as patronising as I expected with the typical "bic and tan br0!" stuff that everyone on here makes fun of them for. I mean actually supporting them! Which may come as a surprise to some on here who think it's a much better idea to "cut each other down" to apparently make each other tougher- what a stupid, and dangerous game that is.

But yeah, the SlyBaldGuys attitude may not be my thing, but hey if it helps some guys out, if it means they actually try and get with women instead of wanking over their playstation because they're "red pilled" (AKA ****ing useless losers and stamped that way by HairLossTalk.com members and ensured never to forget), I don't see what the problem is.

By the way Danny I don't know your story so I didn't follow what UC meant earlier, are you a former sufferer as in you've had a strong hair transplant and would no longer be suspected as a bald guy? Or have you come to terms with being bald?

 

[DannyBoyy]

After I wrote earlier that I couldn't judge SlyBaldGuys too much as I hadn't been there, I had a wander around there, OK I'll admit that initially I did intentionally just look for the more deluded topics just for kicks, but you're right I did notice there was more depth to it than what I thought. People had just the same issues as what plenty of us have here and they weren't hiding away from it. And also to be fair, the guys replying to them and actually supporting them weren't being as patronising as I expected with the typical "bic and tan br0!" stuff that everyone on here makes fun of them for. I mean actually supporting them! Which may come as a surprise to some on here who think it's a much better idea to "cut each other down" to apparently make each other tougher- what a stupid, and dangerous game that is.

But yeah, the SlyBaldGuys attitude may not be my thing, but hey if it helps some guys out, if it means they actually try and get with women instead of wanking over their playstation because they're "red pilled" (AKA ****ing useless losers and stamped that way by HairLossTalk.com members and ensured never to forget), I don't see what the problem is.

By the way Danny I don't know your story so I didn't follow what UC meant earlier, are you a former sufferer as in you've had a strong hair transplant and would no longer be suspected as a bald guy? Or have you come to terms with being bald?

Former as in i used to worry so yeah basically came to terms with it, may sound weird but i honestly cant see myself looking like anything else anymore. Others have said this aswell (close friends and family).

 

[Dench57]

Would turn to the Dark Side for Kylo Ren's hair.

 

[AbuAktar]

The giant ugly Golum-like sith lord is bald. The rest is NW1.

Boo-Hoo, it was only a movie : )

 

[AbuAktar]

That will be seen by hundreds of millions of people, reinforcing the stereotype that bald men are evil.

Most villains have English accents, do people see all English as evil?

 

[Hairloss23]

Most villains have English accents, do people see all English as evil?

You're CLEARLY new around here so I will give you the low down, whenever Fred is stumped by a point you make, he will abandon thread and maybe return in a few days if said thread for Fred is a couple of pages thicker and people have forgotten the point you made.

 

[Hairloss23]

No one would ever think that someone with a British accent is evil or a loser.

On the other hand, a bald villain or a bald loser is convenient. No one would think twice at the sight of such villains.

Let's take Kylo Ren in the new Star Wars, he may be NW1, but he's clearly below-average in the looks department:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought... well, I cannot mention this since it would be a spoiler.

Villains nowadays are always ugly. Because if they were good-looking, they wouldn't be evil.

When Smeagol got consumed by the Ring. What happened to him? He became ugly, disgusting and...

bald.

So you believe male pattern baldness only strikes when the sufferer has given in to his heart's one true desire?

 

[Rudiger]

You're CLEARLY new around here so I will give you the low down, whenever Fred is stumped by a point you make, he will abandon thread and maybe return in a few days if said thread for Fred is a couple of pages thicker and people have forgotten the point you made.

I've had my run ins with Fred, not many but a handful of times, and to be fair he normally gets back to you even when he's stumped, the problem is what he gets back to you with. I think the Fred Method is more:

-make an outrageous off-the cuff claim without thinking it through
-get called on it
-simply slowly wiggle away from it in the forthcoming posts while changing the point as much as possible away from the original now-defeated point
-use previous point skillfully in a smoke and mirrors attempt at not appearing to backtrack.

This Star Wars debate is him at his most cringey.

 

[Rudiger]

I do end up going all over the place, the reason being you do a great job of dragging me away from the original point, to anything except the original point, and suddenly out of nowhere you could be talking about your university degree, or your cousin, or anything else that has very little to do with what we were actually discussing. From there I don't know what I could end up writing about.

Thank you for the compliment on some of my points and I've said before that you do make good side-points when talking about a topic, that are thought out, the problem is that your main point is normally screwed, so it's a bad foundation. But also, don't think that just because you're "concise" and you write one-sentence paragraphs, that your structure is in any way sound.