Hair is not Life but it's Pretty Damn Close; HRT and Pictorial Posts Prove it.

[tato123]

I have nothing to declare, it is difficult to get into an argument with someone who does not accept opposition, your offenses tell me much more about you than about me. Peace.

[USER = 137326] @justinbieberscombover [/ USER]

Ps: I found your comment offensive, I was not hostile to you at any time, be polite.

 

[whatintheworld]

This is not 100% true, the baldness process is frontal largely due to the accompaniment of the skin along the galea of the skull, the process of exacerbated collagen production(Testosterone-mediated continues), oil, and thinning of the subcutaneous tissue continues in the region, so no matter the origin of the your hair will eventually feel the effects of being on the front area of your scalp. Some before, others after, of course, transplantation will increase its useful life but I think you are wrong.

Peace. XD

You may actually be right. I have seen many instances online of people's transplants falling out, the hair continuing to thin, and yields being subpar.

I'm not sure what the reasons are, because I've also seen the contrary of these transplants standing the test of time for 10+ years, and continuing to stay strong.

I am suspecting it is either:

1) The donor hair not yielding well due to the poor circulation / calcification / continued DHT deterioration in the recipient region, especially if the patient is not on finasteride. While on finasteride, I have never seen a patient lose their transplanted hairs (if you have some evidence of this I would be happy to see it).

2) The surgeon attempting overly dense packing which causes compromised blood flow to the grafts, thus eventually causing some to die off.

3) Poor graft care immediately after extraction.

So, I am not entirely convinced of the permanence of transplants, but I do think the failure rate probability is quite low in the hands of elite surgeons.

 

[justinbieberscombover]

You may actually be right. I have seen many instances online of people's transplants falling out, the hair continuing to thin, and yields being subpar.

I'm not sure what the reasons are, because I've also seen the contrary of these transplants standing the test of time for 10+ years, and continuing to stay strong.

I am suspecting it is either:

1) The donor hair not yielding well due to the poor circulation / calcification / continued DHT deterioration in the recipient region, especially if the patient is not on finasteride. While on finasteride, I have never seen a patient lose their transplanted hairs (if you have some evidence of this I would be happy to see it).

2) The surgeon attempting overly dense packing which causes compromised blood flow to the grafts, thus eventually causing some to die off.

3) Poor graft care immediately after extraction.

So, I am not entirely convinced of the permanence of transplants, but I do think the failure rate probability is quite low in the hands of elite surgeons.

Those surgeons probably extract hair from non-safe zones so they are not DHT resistant just like the rest of the hair, and require the use of finasteride. This is how you see those super dense packs with a ridiculous amount of grafts per session.

But also most transplants that I see online are really terrible in terms of design and placement.

Most people barely do research and just go for the cheapest option that promises them the most, instead of something realistic.

 

[whatintheworld]

Those surgeons probably extract hair from non-safe zones so they are not DHT resistant just like the rest of the hair, and require the use of finasteride. This is how you see those super dense packs with a ridiculous amount of grafts per session.

But also most transplants that I see online are really terrible in terms of design and placement.

Most people barely do research and just go for the cheapest option that promises them the most, instead of something realistic.

That is part of it. But everyone's "safe" zone is different. Not everyone is destined to Norwood 7. If they were, FUE would not be possible, as FUE needs to take hair outside of that thin Norwood 7 strip region in order to be viable.

Perhaps only with significant beard / body hair grafts can it be done.

So there are viable grafts from the totality of the occipital, parietal, and temporal regions, but why some patients have thinning / falling out transplanted hairs after some period of time is still unknown, except for the 3 reasons I stated above.

Some cases you will see this occurring after 3-5 years, not in the usual 9-12 month post transplant settling time. This would imply reason (1) as the most likely cause of this.

 

[tato123]

I will not comment on @whatintheworld , I have content to explain to you physiologically what happens, however, intelligence loses against bestiality, research, I refuse to give information, ask your friend, he seems to understand a lot @justinbieberscombover

 

[Will Be an Egg in 5 years]

Thanks for the content of the message, but I can get any drug in Brazil, the only thing that needs a prescription here is anti biotic and anti psychotic, but if you order with care you can buy it even without a prescription, but thanks for sharing who knows I use some day .

I'm using the gel on the hair leather and on the back of the thighs, somewhere around 2-3mg, maybe use in scrotum one day in week i will think about that

Brasileiro também?

 

[sonictemples]

Thanks for the invite, I'm glad to be here.

My finances for everything are improving substantially, so I fully plan to get thousands of dollars of work to maintain my appearance as I get older regardless. I will get gyno surgery if it becomes an issue (less than a week on estriol and no adverse sides yet). I am fully willing to accept a bit more weight gain even if it means I'm not waking up ripped and ready to look like a statue of sculpted marble physically with a reasonable amount of exercise.

I would rather have a bit of extra weight, and a full head of hair and a few sides than not. Not long ago, my skin was horribly oily and that is just gone, I've been waking up with no oiliness to my skin, no inflamed pores, that battle appears to be over now, it will take months to see the benefits of the estriol on hair growth itself, but all indications thus far are encouraging.

I managed to get some 17b estrogel, it's coming in the mail, I had a meeting with my hair Doctor and he chickened out, said my endo should be responsible for that, even though I have two other doctors, one of which who has a doctorate in biochemisty saying it's fine if I use estrogen to some degree considering how unrelenting my testosterone levels are without any sign of aromatase.

The biochemisty phd has told me they are willing to also get me estrogen but it will take time, my only issue is the formulation, I don't want anything other than an alcohol based hormone gel, so we'll see.

My hair has stabilized for the most part, the issues with my scalp seem to have subsided, so we'll see what happens when I have a few more weeks to a month of my skin calming down to see how it helps my hair in general.

Funny thing is I'm still not gaining tons of weight and my face in general seems more hydrated, it's not as sucked in and dry like it was when my testosterone was unopposed. If you saw pictures of me when I was younger, as I kid I always think I had slightly higher estrogen levels, maybe a bit too high, but I do think there are phenotypes as it were of people who handle certain ratios of hormones better, and I simply do better when my estrogen is a bit higher.

My hair Doctor was seriously worried that my estrogen levels would get out of control had no confidence that I could manage anything, even though I've told him that I lost 30 pounds by learning how to methylate estrogen out of my body reliably. I told him, I'm just going for it and he said he'd like to see my progress in a year, but I don't think I'll go back to him, if you're not behind me when I need help, I'm certainly not going to reward you with data once I've proven you wrong.

how did you get rid of estrogen

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

This article is why I am using a 2.0 mm needle but if you read the article, it seems as though any length from .25 to 2.5 mm is effective or touted to be:

Microneedling For Hair Loss: What’s The Best Needle Size?

Microneedling: a powerful, under-researched hair loss therapy In the last five years, microneedling therapies have exploded in popularity – especially among hair loss sufferers. Research now shows that microneedling can increase hair counts by 15%. And as

perfecthairhealth.com

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Oral Minoxidil and Dosing:

Are XY's who are MtF's female with respect to dosing here? If so, then as little as .25 mg with spironolactone is supposed to be effective to some extent. That seems a bit low but I might be taking three times that amount and I am seeing moderate increases in body hair but the scalp hair is doing so well that the body hair and increased scratchiness of the beard are worth it but I might not have to titrate too much downward to hit a sweet spot and maybe 5 mg is it for guys and gals and MtF's looking for quick regrowth. You can see here that spironolactone made a big difference in terms of not needing to use too much of either as 25 mg spironolactone is not a large amount compared to the 200 and 300 mg some people use of spironolactone.

Oral Minoxidil For Female Hair Loss: How To Avoid Hypertrichosis (Unwanted Body Hair Growth)

Oral minoxidil can improve hair loss in women, but at the cost of body hair growth. But is there a dose that regrows hair without unwanted hair growth? Yes.

perfecthairhealth.com

 

[Norwoody]

Oral Minoxidil and Dosing:

Are XY's who are MtF's female with respect to dosing here? If so, then as little as .25 mg with spironolactone is supposed to be effective to some extent. That seems a bit low but I might be taking three times that amount and I am seeing moderate increases in body hair but the scalp hair is doing so well that the body hair and increased scratchiness of the beard are worth it but I might not have to titrate too much downward to hit a sweet spot and maybe 5 mg is it for guys and gals and MtF's looking for quick regrowth. You can see here that spironolactone made a big difference in terms of not needing to use too much of either as 25 mg spironolactone is not a large amount compared to the 200 and 300 mg some people use of spironolactone.

Oral Minoxidil For Female Hair Loss: How To Avoid Hypertrichosis (Unwanted Body Hair Growth)

Oral minoxidil can improve hair loss in women, but at the cost of body hair growth. But is there a dose that regrows hair without unwanted hair growth? Yes.

perfecthairhealth.com

I will say that the only issue with such a low dose of oral minoxidil is that it could potentially cause a bit of a shed. The higher the dose the less of a shed. For those who are looking to avoid body hair, and at the same time minimize the shed, it's probably best to do a "loading" phase and backing off. Perhaps going with something like 1-2mg then backing down to the microdose over a series of weeks would work. I have read where a lot of dutasteride users suffer from a dramatic shed the first several months, but some have mitigated this effect by loading up on 2.5mg per day or more for the first couple of weeks.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Wow. Now that is valuable information. Another time when it's the opposite from expected.

 

[Norwoody]

I wish I could find the source but a while back I remember reading that there was a study done regarding side effect profiles and shedding. The 2.5mg group had the most shedding but nearly zero side effects. The 10mg group experienced more side effects but the shedding was virtually non-existent. 5mg was in the middle.

I can confirm these findings in my own experience as well.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I wish I could find the source but a while back I remember reading that there was a study done regarding side effect profiles and shedding. The 2.5mg group had the most shedding but nearly zero side effects. The 10mg group experienced more side effects but the shedding was virtually non-existent. 5mg was in the middle.

I can confirm these findings in my own experience as well.

I haven't seen any shedding. It's been ten weeks on oral minoxidil maybe. It definitely increased body hair but it's still well worth this side effect.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Retin-A:

I have gotten three main meds from Amazon4 Health in Thailand, which are estrogel, retin-A and latisse, all of which some have used for hair loss purposes. Latisse is simply too expensive in the marketed form for anything but use as eyedrops. Honestly, I think that oral minoxidil causes more eyelash growth but I have used them concurrently so they probably both work as does carefully applied topical to brows and lashes. Someone asked the name of the Retin-A brand but it is the normal blue/white metal tube. It says Jansen/Thailand .05 mg tretinoin.

I don't think that Retin-A has necessarily been necessary for hair. I have used it all over my face and scalp; I used estrogel as a carrier since most of us use too much retin-A, although apparently some tend not to get the burn if they used lots or they get used to it. Together with the derma-rolling, Retin-A seems to promote cell division and hair cell division. You see what looks like dandruff but it isn't; it's just what isn't swallowed by autophagy, I think. I have heard some say that using Retin-A with topical minoxidil is similar to oral minoxidil or adding SS so that minoxidil is better absorbed.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@JaneyElizabeth Have you regrown your temples?

They are coming in gradually. It's all coming in like it "thinks" that I have female pattern baldness. I will have to put up a picture shortly and I am getting tested tomorrow and will post that. I am curious because it feels like I am swimming in estrogen and I love it! I guess my figure has gotten a bit curvy since oral minoxidil well anything for hair.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I'm going to be honest, a combo of evening primrose oil which is surprisingly powerful and estriol and a DHT blocker such as beta sitosterol has dramatically improved my skin and hair and the only "feminizing" aspect I've even remotely noticed is the fact that I'm not extremely lean now. I'm not fat, I'm just not inherently lean, but my muscle strength has not gone down, in fact the soreness in my body and overall inflammation has gone down dramatically.

My face has more fullness to it but not fat or "feminized" just, not sucked in and dry like I'm going to do a bodybuilding competition. I feel stronger too like I can lift more without getting sore either in my muscles or joints which is great as well. My arms are still big and if anything my girlfriend thinks I haven't lost any inherently masculine traits, I just look healthier, as she puts it.

I feel it too, my hair is also a lot softer now, and still no sides from the estriol, although the evening primrose oil has caused a bit of weight gain, but nothing I can't keep in check. I would definitely recommend evening primrose oil to anyone serious about improving the quality of their hair, you have to be careful with it, even though it's not a hormone it does affect your hormonal profile for sure.

My skin and hair in the very short term started looking so much better once I started taking that supplement again, and good skin is a contemporaneous indicator for good hair, as your scalp requires good skin conditions to effectively grow hair.

My 17b estradiol has yet to come in the mail, but once I get that, we'll see how things change, the trick of balancing my hormones will be increased in difficulty for me as a man, but I've basically been learning how to do this for 12 years now, I'm ready for it.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I'm going to be honest, a combo of evening primrose oil which is surprisingly powerful and estriol and a DHT blocker such as beta sitosterol has dramatically improved my skin and hair and the only "feminizing" aspect I've even remotely noticed is the fact that I'm not extremely lean now. I'm not fat, I'm just not inherently lean, but my muscle strength has not gone down, in fact the soreness in my body and overall inflammation has gone down dramatically.

My face has more fullness to it but not fat or "feminized" just, not sucked in and dry like I'm going to do a bodybuilding competition. I feel stronger too like I can lift more without getting sore either in my muscles or joints which is great as well. My arms are still big and if anything my girlfriend thinks I haven't lost any inherently masculine traits, I just look healthier, as she puts it.

I feel it too, my hair is also a lot softer now, and still no sides from the estriol, although the evening primrose oil has caused a bit of weight gain, but nothing I can't keep in check. I would definitely recommend evening primrose oil to anyone serious about improving the quality of their hair, you have to be careful with it, even though it's not a hormone it does affect your hormonal profile for sure.

My skin and hair in the very short term started looking so much better once I started taking that supplement again, and good skin is a contemporaneous indicator for good hair, as your scalp requires good skin conditions to effectively grow hair.

My 17b estradiol has yet to come in the mail, but once I get that, we'll see how things change, the trick of balancing my hormones will be increased in difficulty for me as a man, but I've basically been learning how to do this for 12 years now, I'm ready for it.

For a lot of people, the minutiatie are very important if they say try to copy a particular regimen. I think about those things some times but err on the side of being complete. Some things just seem wonderful and upbeat. I keep hoping for the next level.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Everyone needs to find their own balance, what may work for me may not work for everyone else, it's like building a composite of your treatment, and every person will have to experiment and find out what works for them, what is good on these forums is that you get an idea of what might work and how to implement it.

And that's a world better than having no clue and no idea where to start.

 

[Norwoody]

Everyone needs to find their own balance, what may work for me may not work for everyone else, it's like building a composite of your treatment, and every person will have to experiment and find out what works for them, what is good on these forums is that you get an idea of what might work and how to implement it.

And that's a world better than having no clue and no idea where to start.

A lot of newbies think that it only comes down to just blocking DHT. The result is that an overwhelming amount of people immediately just get on "the big 3" without much thought other than "everyone else is doing it". The reality is that, even from a theoretical standpoint, and with the information we have available to us now, the big 3 isn't really even something that makes the most sense. Actually it originated from one single poster who got good results from it, many years ago. As you mentioned, what may work for one may not work for another. I see so many people on these forums trying to copy someone else and expecting it to work the same for them. I myself have been victim of this naive mindset. I am not saying to avoid collaborating or trying out something that someone else did. It's okay to try a regimen to a tee, at times. More often than not, though, you will have to make adjustments that accommodate your own unique individual characteristics anyways. We all know there are people who have completely nuked their DHT and haven't gotten any significant results. In general, the community has such an oversimplified view. The fact of the matter is, instead of banking on a 20 year old method of "the big 3", we should be striving to do better than that, and formulate our OWN regimens that work for us. It takes experimentation and commitment. We should be focusing on building the best version of "the ME 3... or 4, or 5" or 2 or 1 or whatever. It's just frustrating to the point of comedy to see so many users on these forums just recommending "all you need is finasteride and minoxidil bro" - with little to no information about some random person's situation is. I wish it were that simple. If it were, forums like this would be virtually nonexistent. But here we are.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I got away with blocking DHT and quelling inflammation the first time I had a major hairloss event, this time around it has been definitely more complicated, so I feel that, but thankfully my hair seems to be pulling through and now it's just a matter of getting the density that I would like versus getting any at all.