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Hair Loss Will be Cured Within Ten Years
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As much as you would need to let your buzzed hair to grow out. That's probably what Alexey was reffering to.
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They are still stuck in testing mouse and just move on to mini pigs recently, how do you know what their results and treatments will be like?
Why would the process be any different? People are having a really hard time differentiating this from regular mouse/animal trials with compounds. When researchers use compounds to stimulate hair growth in mice, they do so just to see if the hair growth will occur with existing hair (or in some cases like KY with neogensis and new follicles created in the body). These mice do not have male pattern baldness nor a male pattern baldness model, that's why compounds don't translate to humans the same.
Cloning is not the same thing. If you can clone a follicle on a mouse/pig, you're probably going to be able to clone a follicle in humans. The animal trials are to perfect the technique, measure efficacy and safety, and most importantly to get approval from health regulators to do the procedure in humans. When this process is shown to work in pigs, it's going to work in humans.
The trials will be to prove safety and quality, not if it works at all like in trials with drug compounds. The quality & life of the follicle will be the real questions answered in human trials.
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Thanks keratinpro but "some time" is vague. Human being have a special asynchronous scalp, different from other species, only primates and maybe pigs have a similar item.
Indeed "After birth, all of a baby's hair stays in the resting phase until more resources become available. Hair usually starts to shed at 8 to 12 weeks of age, and begins to grow back at around 3 to 7 months. But it's not until around 2 years of age that thicker hair emerges."
Indeed "After birth, all of a baby's hair stays in the resting phase until more resources become available. Hair usually starts to shed at 8 to 12 weeks of age, and begins to grow back at around 3 to 7 months. But it's not until around 2 years of age that thicker hair emerges."
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Because he said the transplanted hairs need to be maintain every 7 years, but the mouse used for the labs don't even live that long so how does he know that?
They measure the hair cycles of the cloned hair and then apply that to human hair cycles.
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That doesn't make sense though. Even if you got Stemson, you'll still keep losing the other hairs on your head that aren't implanted. The only way what you said would work is if you were already at the end stage (NW7) of your baldness so the hairs remaining on your head aren't prone to falling out.
For example say I'm a NW2 and I use stemson to go back to NW0, I would still keep losing hairs that haven't been implanted onto my head if my final pattern is destined to be a NW7. So every 6 months or so whenever the balding becomes noticable, until I reach my final pattern whatever that is.
That's temple points only, and 487 grafts is a lot just to rebuild temple points
This is with only 487 grafts. Imagine what can be done with 1K graphs.
It's the same thing everyone does when they misinterpret research trials. At some point with the mice they wanted to make sure that the cloned hair lasted a minimum 3 hair cycles. People hear that quote and assume its 3 and done, then do some weird mental gymnastics and come to the conclusion of 7 years.
Every single pre-clinical program sets up achievable targets to show as successful end points, it's never indicative of the maximum results in humans.
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My friend listen, like I said I wasn't saying it's a 3 hair cycle thing and done. And as I previously stated that is the average so in human years it could be 7, it can be 10 it can be 15 there's no "mental gymnastics" involved. I know how long the hair cycles last just as much as you do. Which is not very much. Don't come off as some pretentious narcissist. It's an AVERAGE guess.
That's fair but I'm not the one making any assumptions here. We have a pre-clinical program not yet tested in humans, so I'm not going to debate how long the hair that doesn't exist yet will last.
If this works in humans, we'll be the first generation/group of men in history to regain legitimately perfect density hair after losing it. If that lasts 7 years, that's fine with me, I'll schedule my next appointment in advance.
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That's nice but don't be on the internet saying "mental gymnastics" and what not. The reason there's threads on this forum is to discuss possible outcomes/foreseeable treatments collectively we don't know the "in's and out's" of any pre-clinical trial and what are the average cycles and how they translate to human years. It's extremely easy to make back-handed comments, coming off as some know it all, from the comfort of the internet. This attitude more than likely won't be shown in person.
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Perhaps there's a little knowledge behind the whole "weird mental gymnastics" huh? Or maybe Alexey too is uninformed? Interesting...
HLC2020: Is this a one-time treatment for patients, or a lifelong commitment requiring X number of visits per year?
Dr. Terskikh: Good question. Initial success is usually last for several years, but due to the ongoing loss the transplantation procedures is likely to be repeated every 5-10 years. That’s where we get the best edge. See above.
HLC2020: Is this a one-time treatment for patients, or a lifelong commitment requiring X number of visits per year?
Dr. Terskikh: Good question. Initial success is usually last for several years, but due to the ongoing loss the transplantation procedures is likely to be repeated every 5-10 years. That’s where we get the best edge. See above.
Interview with Dr. Alexey Terskikh | Hair Loss Cure 2020
I first mentioned Dr. Alexey Terskikh on this blog a little over two years ago here. His team of scientists (who work at a non-profit institute in the USA)
www.hairlosscure2020.com
This has already been discussed. I don't think it means what you think it means. I don't want to be rude, but it's not a long thread so there was no reason to post this again especially when your interpretation of it is incorrect.Perhaps there's a little knowledge behind the whole "weird mental gymnastics" huh? Or maybe Alexey too is uninformed? Interesting...
HLC2020: Is this a one-time treatment for patients, or a lifelong commitment requiring X number of visits per year?
Dr. Terskikh: Good question. Initial success is usually last for several years, but due to the ongoing loss the transplantation procedures is likely to be repeated every 5-10 years. That’s where we get the best edge. See above.
Interview with Dr. Alexey Terskikh | Hair Loss Cure 2020
I first mentioned Dr. Alexey Terskikh on this blog a little over two years ago here. His team of scientists (who work at a non-profit institute in the USA)www.hairlosscure2020.com
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It's never enough to hear different opinions. What do you interpret specifically there, @Keratinpro ?
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Well TrialAcc appears to be moaning about not knowing the no. hair cycles and no. of years the hair will last after implantation of de novo follicles. The interviewer is asking whether this process is a one of deal or is is something that requires X no. of visits to maintain/improve hair. Alexey clearly states that initial success well last several years (which is vague but most probably 5-8 years). The top ups would be required because of hairs that aren't transplanted falling. So the procedure would be repeated every so 5-10 years which is around the ball park of what I said in order to maintain the density of the hair. I don't understand how you fail to understand the correlation between the regular top ups required that TrialAcc is talking about and what Alexey is saying here? Enlighten me with your phenomenal interpretation.
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I guess that would be ok. But I would prefer to never reach that point and just protect my current hair. In my opinion a "cure" would be topicals that prevent androgens from miniaturizating hair at the receptor. People who are 18 would just apply those topicals every morning and keep youthful hair for a very long time.