Hair Multiplication Update:Histogen!

[ClayShaw]

Great stuff. Hopefuuly Histogen's results will spur follica on and vice versa. Anyone who's done any study into the history of science will be aware that "double discoveries" where a problem is solved by 2 or more people/groups at roughly the same time working independently of each other is quite common (theory of evolution and calculus being the most famous examples). I wonder if that's what will happen here.

I'm pretty sure they're both working as hard as they can to be the first. Remember, whoever comes up with something that works and is not a hassle (unlike Rogaine), doesn't produce any side effects (unlike Propecia) and doesn't produce permanent scarring (unlike a hair transplant)... will be sitting on literally BILLIONS of $$$. It's not like they're trying to cure malaria (Bill Gates) and then can expect to do the work pro bono. This is something that will cost money, and whoever can turn an NW7 into an NW1 in one non-invasive procedure.... will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. The market is huge, and will continue to grow until gene therapy eliminates the need for it (say 30 years or so).

 

[uncomfortable man]

It's hard not to be cynical when it comes to the HM game from the long string of disapointments up to date. I want to believe that all of that trial and error was not for nothing in that other research companies can learn from previous mistakes and come closer to an actual cure. What is Histogen doing differently from IXC? From what everyone is saying it sounds the same. What is the vehicle here? Topicals, injections? Now I'm no scientist but I heard injecting dermal papila cells won't do anything without the right protien to signal the actual growth process. I'll read over that link again but I think it is only a matter of time before they figure this out. I just hope it is sooner than later so I can enjoy a full head of hair before I'm forty and not when I'm 64 and it's too late.

 

[TheOne]

Come on guys is it really that hard to read their site, or any of the pdf's etc they have released. What Histogen are doing is not remotely like ICX, they are not injecting dp cells.

From their site:

"ReGenicaTM is a proprietary liquid formula created by the culturing of newborn fibroblasts in an embryonic-like environment and then harvesting the naturally secreted growth factors, proteins and other synergistic bioproducts that are produced. It is the first naturally stabilized and bioactive formulation of wnt proteins and natural cofactors - offering exceptional opportunities for applications including research tools and as a natural additive in products.

The formula contains naturally stabilized and bioactive wnt proteins with activity
The formula contains naturally secreted growth factors
ReGenica is soluble and can be in both a topical or injectible format. injectible
The formula requires no purification process"

 

[ComeOnPropy]

Histogen is not out of business so stop saying it is. If you read it properly you will see they are working for nothing and they know investors will come back on board, so until it states that Histogen has STOPPED Re-Genica stop saying its over because its not.

 

[Re75]

Any of the more experienced posters want to weigh in here? I want to be excited but I wish there were more replies speculating both sides..this thing is all new to me as I've just been looking at follica and intercytex.

 

[casperz]

Basically we have 19 to 20 people working as if nothing happened because they believe in the product and the company. They don't want to shut down the experiments they are running,â€￾ Naughton said yesterday. “Obviously they cannot do this a long time. It's a short-term situation.

I think this statement is very telling and very positive if it is true.
These are probably employees that have stock options and would not be
hanging around with no pay if they thought that #1 the product did not work
AND #2 that this would be more than a short term event. The bottom line
is if they don't have the technology or is not able to bring it to market, the
other company that has filed suit does.

 

[TheOne]

If you look at the pdf they released there is Proof that there is indeed more hair (all be it slight at the moment) not just thicker and longer, quality seems ok imo aswell. Remeber its a phase I safety trial and those results are 12 weeks after a single injection.

http://www.histogeninc.com/downloads/st ... summit.pdf


Histogen are confident that they are not infringing on any patents (they haven't even published any them selves yet).
If they come out of the court case ok, the investors and funding will come back in my opinion. Fingers crossed.

 

[banco]

Even if you're in the right legal stuff can drag on for months or years.

 

[justaguy2005]

Given the financial circumstances in which Histogen finds itself, I would imagine that they create a strong presumption against injunctive relief under Ebay v. MercExchange. Moreover, Histogen does have some IP portfolio of its own, which may obtain for them blocking value against the underlying patents. If this tussle goes on two years, costing each side 150k per month, the total would come to $5 MN (lawyers fees; Histogen would be judgement-proof). Histogen is seeking less than half than that in early stage financing. I assume that there is some settlement/license deal to be made that would cost both parties less.

 

[decro435]

So , what's the story?

It doe's seem that when there is a prospect something occurs to prevent it from becoming anything. I just someone doesn't want Hair loss being cured.. cough *Merck*. These companies are making millions-billioins for themselves and the Economy. No one wants them to go under.

 

[Flavio]

[...] They would then be forced into selling whatever disovery (the male pattern baldness cure) to the big pharmacuetical companies, who then in turn will sit on the patents for decades. [...]

Come on guys, don't be so pessimistic!

Pharmaceutical companies want money and there are billions to be made in the field of hair loss. Why should they create any obstacles (assuming they could do anything to stop these small companies)? They'll probably buy these patents and make the treatments cheaper and available to everyone.

 

[Flavio]

Its on its way guys!!!
absolutely fantastic!

[...]

Wonderful news Blondilocks, thanks for posting this!

2009 will be a great year for hair loss sufferers.

 

[Flavio]

[...] Since a patent is good for 20 years, by preventing the cure to be released, they could ensure a good 15 to 20 years of effectively blocking it from being released to the public. [...]

Why on earth would they do that? Hair loss is a tremendous business opportunity. Once an effective treatment is found, pharmaceutical companies will be running like crazy to buy the patent and put it on the market as quickly as possible.

 

[decro435]

[...] Since a patent is good for 20 years, by preventing the cure to be released, they could ensure a good 15 to 20 years of effectively blocking it from being released to the public. [...]

Why on earth would they do that? Hair loss is a tremendous business opportunity. Once an effective treatment is found, pharmaceutical companies will be running like crazy to buy the patent and put it on the market as quickly as possible.

Why wouldn't the big Pharmaceutical companies just buy the patent and keep it so that other companies can't use it. They can then sit on their billions of profit a year and wait. Those smaller companies can't do sh*t.

My guess is the FDA has something to do with this. Merck etc. make millions for the American economy. I usually hate these conspiracy theories but this one could easily be true. Anyways it's only a theory.

 

[H/B]

Wow! all this gloom and doom. Merck and Phizer would not be crippled if they lost their rogaine and propecia shares. :whistle:

 

[DoctorHouse]

Harry, how is your hair doing these days?

 

[H/B]

I dropped dutasteride after a year and a half and went back on finast. Though my hair might have been a little thicker on dutasteride...my hair on finasteride and minoxidil is still thicker than it was eight years ago.. .. hairloss seems to have stabilized for now.

I quit dutasteride because of side effects.

 

[Flavio]

This is going to be bigger than v****.

 

[uncomfortable man]

I agree with the conspiracy theories about Merk etc. They are the corrupt power that is supressing the alternatives. Look at the oil industry. They put out these commercials that make you think that they are going green but you know its just propaganda. There are plenty of companies and a general assertive effort to create alternative fuels but do you think the oil giant is going to let those companies get away with making money from that? No they will buy them out and sell that product as their own idea, because they care. :jackit: Same with this industry. The pharmicudical company is a giant now. You can't watch tv without seeing a host of ads for drugs for even the most trivial conditions. Oh, and it could kill you. I always loved that. It is clear who the enemy is here. People need to get off their drugs and smear campaign these companies to get some sort of leverage. We are all victims, just the way they like it. So I think the pharmicudical companies are to blame (and the economy) that these companies trying to cure baldness are going under.

 

[Obsidian]

:shakehead: