Histogen presentation

[hellouser]

Hell or anyone for that matter familiar with this treatment... How worried are you about the cells used for this treatment causing cancer?

Not at all.

Would have been known from their Phase I and Phase IIa trials.

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The science is sound but their "results" on men are combovers. However I think HSC will work great in combination with current treatments.

THIS IS NOT A "COMBOVER"

/MIC DROP

 

[Blackber]

WHO CARES ABOUT THE PICTURESSSS

Look at the statistical data.

 

[Folliman]

Not at all.

Would have been known from their Phase I and Phase IIa trials.

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THIS IS NOT A "COMBOVER"

/MIC DROP

It looks like one to me for many reasons. But there's nothing in the world I want more than someone proving me wrong. I hope you're right.

 

[hellouser]

It looks like one to me for many reasons. But there's nothing in the world I want more than someone proving me wrong. I hope you're right.

Take off the beer goggles.

 

[Folliman]

This is what I'm seeing. Look at the origin of the hair and the direction. Sorry for the small pic, it didn't want to export and I had to take a screencap.

 

[hellouser]

This is what I'm seeing. Look at the origin of the hair and the direction. Sorry for the small pic, it didn't want to export and I had to take a screencap.

So what? There's more hair. Where's it supposed to go? And it's clear that theres a lot of new hair in the front... duh. How can you even deny that?

 

[Folliman]

There's also the angle of the pictures being different and the first picture is a little bit more exposed. Both things enhancing the result even further.

I'm not saying that this treatment won't be beneficial for the hair, it certainly will be. I'm just saying the pictures they took look more like combovers to me. Hopefully their new pictures will be a lot better.

 

[hellouser]

I've asked the question several times, and no one seems to have an answer:

IF HISTOGEN IS LEGIT, WHY CAN'T THEY ATTRACTED REAL MONEY?

It's a simple question. A new hair loss treatment that can grow more hair than current treatments is worth - at a minimum - $1b, and maybe more depending on the price point and protocol. If that product existed, there would be VCs fighting each other to fund it, and they'd have to fend of major pharma players in the process. So what gives? Why isn't Histogen a $1b company? Why hasn't a major pharma tried to buy it out?

Finance doesn't lie.

They have attracted money. This is true because their clinical trials are ongoing.

Further, what sort of "legit" company spends its time speaking to forum members? And uses forum members to make announcements?

So I went to the hair congress, setup an interview with Dr. Naughton, she provided me her original powerpoint presentation file, answered ALL of our questions in awesome detail. This interview got 66,000+ page views plus more listens to the actual interview itself, ALL of which are by individuals that will benefit from the treatment, not some general reader that doesnt have hair loss. Why is that a bad thing?

I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. I think there are some things currently in the pipeline that are promising. This isn't one of them.

No, you're definitely being pessimistic. Histogen is the CLOSEST to having a commercial release. I'm calling it now; as soon as it's available, you'll be calling in for an appointment.

Histogen works on hypoxia which benefits the CD34+ progenitor cells (from what I can remember) which is a major factor in hair loss. The results they've shared and the data they released speaks for itself... also, the PG protocol which mimics hypoxia with the use of stemoxydine just makes it all the more reliable.

There's nothing to debate here.

 

[efedrez]

This is what I'm seeing. Look at the origin of the hair and the direction. Sorry for the small pic, it didn't want to export and I had to take a screencap.

Well, this picture has been one of the most polemic in hair loss forums in quite some time, and I believe everyone might be a bit right about it... I mean, there is for sure regrowth but they also gave the guy a nice comb over to make it look even better.

Why ??? quite simple, the better it looks the most likely they will get more money to continue.

The reality is, this company is producing real results, and not the one in this picture necessarily, but the one we have seen in the statistics and close pictures of an area where hair density increased with no doubt.

This guys are are best option to get a treatment in the short terms so lets try to send them some good energy as oppose to pure criticism .

Remember, if they are scammers in any form (which I highly doubt) we will know for sure before jumping into anything

 

[Breyfogle]

Gail gave a casual photo just to give a glimpse of what's to come and the neurotic hair mafia is treating it like the zapruder film.

Everybody relax. The science is there for Histogen. They are, and have been, one of our best bets for a long time.

It reminds me of when I took a snapshot of my head after getting Kerastem to give the boards an idea of what to expect. A bunch of people freaked out that it wasn't good enough, was slightly over exposed, angle was weird, all the same whiny bs from grown men looking for a conspiracy.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Breyfogle,

Admittedly my question(s) is a little off point.
Have you considered another round of Kerastem anytime soon?
Do you think additional treatment(s) could promote further improvement?
How is your current hair status +/-?

Many thanks.

 

[Mageirast]

There's also the angle of the pictures being different and the first picture is a little bit more exposed. Both things enhancing the result even further.

I'm not saying that this treatment won't be beneficial for the hair, it certainly will be. I'm just saying the pictures they took look more like combovers to me. Hopefully their new pictures will be a lot better.

Totally agree with you, Folliman. It's obvious that this pic is an combover one.
A small improvement might exist but what I don't understand is why such a pretending big company tries to mislead people like this.
It looks like I have a deja-vu with the swindlers from Belgravia Center, London, where they use grossly the Photoshop.

 

[NewUser]

So what? There's more hair. Where's it supposed to go? And it's clear that theres a lot of new hair in the front... duh. How can you even deny that?

I dunno, i'm thinkin we should ask /demand highest resolution colour photos of the subject sitting in a vacuum under 10000 candle power bulbs to get the best index of refraction of hair. Lol

 

[hellouser]

I dunno, i'm thinkin we should ask /demand highest resolution colour photos of the subject sitting in a vacuum under 10000 candle power bulbs to get the best index of refraction of hair. Lol

Let's also get all their financial records, every audit, expense, tax report and employee name! Because you know, the evidence JUST ISN'T ENOUGH! LOL

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I'm sad to check up on the histogen activity and see that you're all still debating that unfortunate pic.

Hellouser, do you know when the next substantial update from histogen is coming out?

 

[slam1523]

They've attracted chump change from a finance standpoint. If it worked, they'd be a billion dollar company. Why haven't they raised $100 million? Why haven't they been bought out by a major pharma? You are ignoring these questions because you can't answer them.

As to why conducting interviews with forum members, it's a bad thing because it's a DESPERATE thing. They're desperate, so they're trying to generate buzz any which way they can. Further, it speaks to their relative poverty, as they have no professional in house or for hire PR firm.

You're making it sound like these doctors have created accounts, hopped onto these forums, and begged users to come talk with them and post their findings... I feel like you raise some reasonable points but you do sound super biased... I'm a huge American football fan, and have a podcast, I reached out to all pro safety tj ward of the Denver Broncos to be a guest on my show which he accepted... Does that mean he's a scrub for accepting an invitation to be on my podcast? Is accepting an invitation to talk with someone regarding an inquiry an act of desperation? I just think you're jumping to conclusions bro!

 

[hellouser]

They've attracted chump change from a finance standpoint. If it worked, they'd be a billion dollar company. Why haven't they raised $100 million? Why haven't they been bought out by a major pharma? You are ignoring these questions because you can't answer them.

Do you make the same complaints about Follica? They didnt raise 100 million. Replicel didn't raise 100 million, they got 30 million from Shiseido. Samumed likely hasn't raised 100 million. Kythera also more than likely doesn't have 100 million to burn on Setipiprant. You're also forgetting they had a major obstacle with the lawsuit from SkinMedica (which Histogen won, thank god). They're not being bought out by a major pharma because it's an injection, not a pill, and it'll be licensed to clinic, so there's no need for pharma. I've answered all your questions but you still find ways to be negative and pessimistic about it all.

But let me ask you this; They're still going through with clinical trials.. what do you make of that?

As to why conducting interviews with forum members, it's a bad thing because it's a DESPERATE thing. They're desperate, so they're trying to generate buzz any which way they can. Further, it speaks to their relative poverty, as they have no professional in house or for hire PR firm.

That's not desperate. It's essential. They're getting a direct connection with people that WILL be their consumers and Dr. Naughton has been great in every interview she's given. Mind you, none of these biotechs has someone else handling their PR. But even if they did, I'd bet you'd be complaining that the PR person doesn't know enough about the actual science. So what good would that be? A waste of money just to have another face to the company. But if you think this is desperate, then you'd fail as a businessman. Howcome I haven't seen your complaints about these biotechs being desperate when I conducted interviews with Kerastem, Kythera or the two times I met with Replicel? What about all the other interviews the others commit to? Howcome they're not desperate but Histogen is?

 

[buckthorn]

This is what I'm seeing. Look at the origin of the hair and the direction. Sorry for the small pic, it didn't want to export and I had to take a screencap.

Your logic here would be applicable, if he initially HAD enough hair to pull off that combover. Look at where your yellow arrows are. He still has that side part pushed back in the after picture, WITH a bunch of new temple hair (which is extremely impressive) to comb down and cover his temples. The mid part is also much more dense. With some tweaking and further experimentation, I think this can definitely be a game changer.

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I won't deny, they definitely SUCK at taking photos though, and when the subject tilts his head down his hair looks more dense... but there is undeniable an increase in density.

 

[hwezdarik]

Defo an improvement after the procedure. There are many guys who still have plenty of hair left or just started thinning/receding. Histogen + hair transplant and many of us would live happy ever after.

 

[Oh Yea?]

Significant improvement