How close are we to FUE using hair cloning?

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If Shiseido can culture cells and they don't get rejected why can't Stemson or Tsuji? Rejection is not even on the table. Funding doesn't seem to be an issue for Stemson, perhaps for some of the others. This will resolve itself as success of one company brings more investment to the space
 

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If Shiseido can culture cells and they don't get rejected why can't Stemson or Tsuji? Rejection is not even on the table. Funding doesn't seem to be an issue for Stemson, perhaps for some of the others. This will resolve itself as success of one company brings more investment to the space
Since you brought up Tsuji, I got another roadblock. Affordability.
 

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Since you brought up Tsuji, I got another roadblock. Affordability.
Hairclone, Replicel, Follicum are probably gonna be failures as well. You're cherry picking negativity, not every hair loss company will be successful. Is Tsuji going to be unaffordable for the majority? Of course. But you need to dig yourself out of your negative hole and learn to be objective instead of wallowing over useless companies 20 years ago. Look at Stemson, Epibiotech, Yokohoma etc and the science and funding behind them and especially the improved technology. Be a man.
 

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Not a problem for me
It will be for most hair loss sufferers. I think a bigger discovery would be the prevention of scar tissue. The reason why people don't transplant all the hair on the sides to the top is the scarring. Otherwise you could just move the usual number of grafts for hairline and midscalp and then really move hair to the crown without concern about scars and do a bald fade.
 

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I think funding can be a problem to consider, until the moment of success in human trials. But I don't think funding is a problem that really can stop or slow down the process alot, just in the beginning.

Body rejecting is hard to imagine as a big problem, like other users said, it is from your own body.

Failure yes, that can occurs, but since they typically test it in animal that have skins similar to humans (pre-clinical), like pigs, then if a problem occurs I don't think that can delay for 1 decade or drop the process. Just minor changes requirements.

"FDA approvals", I think it should be a minor problem. Since it will have alot of money and interest involved. I don't think FDA can stay as a barrier to a big interest from people.

By the way, I said alot "think". Of course, it comes just from a opinions of alot of people (including very informated people), optimism and by checking the interviews of the frontend of hair clone. There is more sense to conclude that is not TOO FAR.

And funding is a problem that are occurring. Tsuji is the clear example for it. But I think Stemson and TissUes have enough financial partners to do the research without problem. Of course, it is very good.
Stemson is funded by Allergan. If what they have works they will not face any funding constraints.
Since you brought up Tsuji, I got another roadblock. Affordability.
How is affordability a roadblock? If it exists it exists, the cost of it is irrelevant at that point. We're debating when the science will be a commercial reality, whether that costs 7 figures or 4.

In addtion, Stemson's goal is to have the process costing around 10k;

"We're inventing as we go," says Hamilton. "We're making up the path ahead of us as we go." Eventually, they say the cost of the new cells will be similar to the cost of hair transplant surgery now, which can run upwards of $10,000.
 
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It will be for most hair loss sufferers. I think a bigger discovery would be the prevention of scar tissue. The reason why people don't transplant all the hair on the sides to the top is the scarring. Otherwise you could just move the usual number of grafts for hairline and midscalp and then really move hair to the crown without concern about scars and do a bald fade.
If you were to touch a piece of carbon fiber or insulation and get grafts into your hand, is scarring a concern? Stemson's cloning scaffolds are 2mm long and a fraction of a mm wide. This is nothing comparable to a normal transplant, slits don't even have to be made for the tissue like a normal transplant, the scaffold can just be put into the skin because they don't have functioning hair follicles in them yet.
 

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Follicum already dropped the 0-5 topical its already failed.

replicel as well..

Hairclone beside freezing cells has nothing to offer (yet...)

stemson is the close one
That's what I'm saying stemson shows a lot of promise, the end of this year should be interesting in terms of what news they have for us.
 

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Stemson is funded by Allergan. If what they have works they will not face any funding constraints.

How is affordability a roadblock? If it exists it exists, the cost of it is irrelevant at that point. We're debating when the science will be a commercial reality, whether that costs 7 figures or 4.

In addtion, Stemson's goal is to have the process costing around 10k;

"We're inventing as we go," says Hamilton. "We're making up the path ahead of us as we go." Eventually, they say the cost of the new cells will be similar to the cost of hair transplant surgery now, which can run upwards of $10,000.
10k$ for a full head of hair?????
 

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10k$ for a full head of hair?????
Yea eventually froggy...
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i am realistic
Okay then leave the site and don't bother finding out about future solutions. I am genuinely shocked as to how many people keep saying the EXACT SAME thing over and over again, "oh I'm a realist" "What about Intercytex?" "We should've gotten a cure by now" "This is 20 years away". Why do you people give a d*mn then? Leave and shave your head bald and move on. You're wasting your time reading and writing information that is literally uninformative and repetitive, absolutely 0 CONTRIBUTION to anything useful. You should open your own website where you guys talk about how "we are doomed, and I'm a realist". A literal waste of time. And you in particular froggy since I've joined the forum, have said/provided absolutely nothing useful, always with the childish questions, "Are hair follicles DHT resistant?" "I'm not going to pay that much" "I'm a realist" "How do you know it will cost that much?". Let me ask you, have you cited any links or updates on newfound science on hair loss? What contribution have you made to the people on this site?
 
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I believe it will be around 50k when its would be affordable. Just the transplant of 20k graft by itself today can cost like this and more.. so cloning the hair even if it would be effcient would not cost below 50k-40k . Plus not everyone would need it (not every person end up nw7) so its would still be small market..
if their hair cloning works, paradoxically, people who are completely bald will have better hair because they will get their dream hair, and what if someone has bends or baldness in a manner typical for women, i.e. from the top of the head?
 

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Okay then leave the site and don't bother finding out about future solutions. I am genuinely shocked as to how many people keep saying the EXACT SAME thing over and over again, "oh I'm a realist" "What about Intercytex?" "We should've gotten a cure by now" "This is 20 years away". Why do you people give a d*mn then? Leave and shave your head bald and move on. You're wasting your time reading and writing information that is literally uninformative and repetitive, absolutely 0 CONTRIBUTION to anything useful. You should open your own website where you guys talk about how "we are doomed, and I'm a realist". A literal waste of time. And you in particular froggy since I've joined the forum, have said/provided absolutely nothing useful, always with the childish questions, "Are hair follicles DHT resistant?" "I'm not going to pay that much" "I'm a realist" "How do you know it will cost that much?". Let me ask you, have you cited any links or updates on newfound science on hair loss? What contribution have you made to the people on this site?
Good one
 

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Ugh oh, to get back on track...

There should have been news in Q1 of 2021!? Kinda late mh.
Or am I something missing!?

Or was it just that they will finish preclinical pig studies in Q1 of 2021!?
 

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I believe it will be around 50k when its would be affordable. Just the transplant of 20k graft by itself today can cost like this and more.. so cloning the hair even if it would be efficient would not cost below 50k-40k . Plus not everyone would need it (not every person end up nw7) so its would still be small market..
That is true that not everyone is a NW7 and will not need an extensive amount of work done but people who are Norwood 3 or people even with Norwood 1 might still want to utilize this to either get better hair than they currently have or do not have a good enough donor supply for the future. People will slowly stop having hair transplants and go on to have hair cloning and the business will start rolling just like any other business.
 

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That is true that not everyone is a NW7 and will not need an extensive amount of work done but people who are Norwood 3 or people even with Norwood 1 might still want to utilize this to either get better hair than they currently have or do not have a good enough donor supply for the future. People will slowly stop having hair transplants and go on to have hair cloning and the business will start rolling just like any other business.
if you seriously think that for $ 10k you will have a head full of youthful hair then congratulations on your naivety for me the only credible news are photos of people before and after hair cloning I know that in a few months you will be getting excited about a pig with a few new hair, this research is about collecting money and doing endless research on the very marketable problem of people - baldness, man, get down to earth you and your optimists - no one will make you new hair you have what you have such a life such genes
 
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