How close are we to FUE using hair cloning?

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That is an illogical way to determine the potential and timeframe of new treatments. Today is not 2002, the situation now is different than it was then. Technology is more advanced. At some point "cloning" will be here and by your logic people will be assuming it's 20 years away up until the day it is released. People in 2002 were overly optimistic and because of that people in 2021 are overly pessimistic
I get what your saying but it's not really like medical advances are coming at light speed now. Compared to the total data we gathered then vs now you'd have thought wed be a type 1 civilization by now but yeah nope.
 

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I get what your saying but it's not really like medical advances are coming at light speed now. Compared to the total data we gathered then vs now you'd have thought wed be a type 1 civilization by now but yeah nope.
Are they not? Because I swear we just took gene editing (CRISPR) from a petri dish in 2013 to the first approved use in humans in 2018, with about a dozen more either in late stage trials or approved for special use and hundreds of other applications on the way. I also swear we just mapped a virus in 3 days and created a vaccine with cutting edge medical technology (mRNA) and distributed it to billions of people within 1 year, with HIV and cancer vaccines using the same technology already entering the clinic. RNA medicine is also being used in thousands of other applications already, including hairloss, most of which started their pre-clinical research only 2-3 years ago and are already approaching the clinic.

Sounds like light speed to me when you compare it to even the 2000s, neverminded the late 1900s.
 
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If I may add to that. I haven't been following hair loss scene for a year now. Different health problems...
I've been following the Parkinson's research scene closely...
@trialAcc is right. From a perspective of research science we still don't know the causes of all the sub variants of PD but just a few days ago BlueRock Therapeutics initiated dosing of stem cell replacement therapy for dopaminergic neurons.
We used to do this with fetal cell grafts but this is a whole other beast.
There is definitely progress. OF course we can't claim we are 3 years from having this kinds of treatments in clinic. But given no other big catastrophes happen (pandemics, climate change issues, major wars) 20 years is definitely an exaggeration.
 

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If I may add to that. I haven't been following hair loss scene for a year now. Different health problems...
I've been following the Parkinson's research scene closely...
@trialAcc is right. From a perspective of research science we still don't know the causes of all the sub variants of PD but just a few days ago BlueRock Therapeutics initiated dosing of stem cell replacement therapy for dopaminergic neurons.
We used to do this with fetal cell grafts but this is a whole other beast.
There is definitely progress. OF course we can't claim we are 3 years from having this kinds of treatments in clinic. But given no other big catastrophes happen (pandemics, climate change issues, major wars) 20 years is definitely an exaggeration.
It's not an exaggeration at all. After years of "it's just around the corner" you get pessimistic.
 

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It's not an exaggeration at all. After years of "it's just around the corner" you get pessimistic.
I understand your point. One particular thing I think is when the clinical trials with humans start to occurs, with success, the speed to it go to market will increase alot. Since it will be a product to be used in a large scale and will profit very much.

I think the biggest/hardest step is to show the potential of the clone techniques, because it requires too many funds and no one will pay for it without good promises.
 

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If I may add to that. I haven't been following hair loss scene for a year now. Different health problems...
I've been following the Parkinson's research scene closely...
@trialAcc is right. From a perspective of research science we still don't know the causes of all the sub variants of PD but just a few days ago BlueRock Therapeutics initiated dosing of stem cell replacement therapy for dopaminergic neurons.
We used to do this with fetal cell grafts but this is a whole other beast.
There is definitely progress. OF course we can't claim we are 3 years from having this kinds of treatments in clinic. But given no other big catastrophes happen (pandemics, climate change issues, major wars) 20 years is definitely an exaggeration.
For things like Parkinson's you can though, just not hairloss. Orphan drugs/diseases can go from pre-clinic to wide spread clinical trials and expanded access in a matter of 2-4 years. This means that after a successful phase 1/2 they can do an open label phase 3 where anyone with a verified diagnosis can likely get into a trial if they want to.
 

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The cool thing about this discussion is that it doesn't matter when the cure will be availabe. What matters is how we will keep our hair until it's available.
 

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The cool thing about this discussion is that it doesn't matter when the cure will be availabe. What matters is how we will keep our hair until it's available.
There honestly isn't much in the currently phase 2 or later pipeline that would convince me anything different is going to be available to keep your hair until something like this comes along anyways. Because of how broken the drug development systems are, cloning/multiplication has a much quicker path to being offered then a growth or maintenance drug.

Bay/KY/AR degrader are the most exciting things in hairloss right now, and even that is 3-4 years away at a minimum.
 
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There honestly isn't much in the currently phase 2 or later pipeline that would convince me anything different is going to be available to keep your hair until something like this comes along anyways. Because of how broken the drug development systems are, cloning/multiplication has a much quicker path to being offered then a growth or maintenance drug.

Bay/KY/AR degrader are the most exciting things in hairloss right now, and even that is 3-4 years away at a minimum.
The best we can do is use the treatments available now as we wait.
 

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In 20 years when we don't have a cure for this curse you will remember my name.
No one will ever remember your name. What exactly are the obstacles that you think will take 20 years to overcome and why?
 

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Funding, body rejecting treatment, failures, Getting fda approval. A lot can go wrong.
Seems like you got it all figured out, I wish I was as intelligent as you
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The cool thing about this discussion is that it doesn't matter when the cure will be availabe. What matters is how we will keep our hair until it's available.
Finasteride works for maintenance for majority of men. I'm fine taking finasteride until cloning becomes available. Anything else like SMI/KY is just icing on the cake.
 

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I think it is at least 20. This is assuming we make big strides the whole way.
No one will ever remember your name. What exactly are the obstacles that you think will take 20 years to overcome and why?
He doesn't know what the obstacles are, he just think's 20 years sound's reasonable because the 15~ before the last 5 were a dud.

Cloning also isn't a cure. A true cure can either prevent all androgen related loss or regrow all lost hair, but I doubt even that is 20 years away. I feel like you don't have a clue where science is at in terms of regenerative medicine. We're 3D printing full organs, human tissue that can functionally 80%+ of muscle regeneration in animals and already curing/correcting monogenetic diseases, but sure, it's hair that will stump humanity.
 
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Funding, body rejecting treatment, failures, Getting fda approval. A lot can go wrong.
I think funding can be a problem to consider, until the moment of success in human trials. But I don't think funding is a problem that really can stop or slow down the process alot, just in the beginning.

Body rejecting is hard to imagine as a big problem, like other users said, it is from your own body.

Failure yes, that can occurs, but since they typically test it in animal that have skins similar to humans (pre-clinical), like pigs, then if a problem occurs I don't think that can delay for 1 decade or drop the process. Just minor changes requirements.

"FDA approvals", I think it should be a minor problem. Since it will have alot of money and interest involved. I don't think FDA can stay as a barrier to a big interest from people.

By the way, I said alot "think". Of course, it comes just from a opinions of alot of people (including very informated people), optimism and by checking the interviews of the frontend of hair clone. There is more sense to conclude that is not TOO FAR.

And funding is a problem that are occurring. Tsuji is the clear example for it. But I think Stemson and TissUse have enough financial partners to do the research without problem. Of course, it is very good.
 
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