How Did This Place Turn From Blue Pill Land Into Shitty Advice.2?

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its sad from suffering comes a lot of great art.
Janis Joplin would never be able to get play now..shame. Summertime is a classic few can sing--they can try but not same.
Whats the Leonard Cohen 'Chelsea Hotel' quote---'Never mind we are ugly but we had the music'.

Eugenics is like what Hitler tried to do with genes no? I dont know if I am confusing reality with the film The Boys From Brazil...(great movie)

I mean eugenics is awful...it opens a can of worms for more than 'looks' or intelligence. it opens up door for religion and ethnic backgrounds and even type of personalities..some people are more easily manipulated than others..thats a scarey thought if someone started to play with 'that' aspect. I mean to me its all not good to mess around with that.
I dont even like when people decide the sex of their babies. Creepy.


I would say it's awful to enforce procreation rules on other people, but I also deeply wish people would stop having so much kids, and think that we should be discouraging people from having kids rather than encouraging them (specifically here in Ireland people get extra cash every week for each kids if they are on the dole).


If you can't look after yourself financially you shouldn't be having kids. Schools should give out meals to ensure no one goes hungry but giving poor people cash to have babies seems genuinely retarded to me.
 

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I would say it's awful to enforce procreation rules on other people, but I also deeply wish people would stop having so much kids, and think that we should be discouraging people from having kids rather than encouraging them (specifically here in Ireland people get extra cash every week for each kids if they are on the dole).


If you can't look after yourself financially you shouldn't be having kids. Schools should give out meals to ensure no one goes hungry but giving poor people cash to have babies seems genuinely retarded to me.

Well thats different i feel that way about people who adopt pets even.
 

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Idiocracy? I've never seen that one but I got the gist of it.

No, I believe we ARE headed towards Idiocracy lol. I dont remember the movie but it was about breeding people for spare organs and such. I tried googling it but couldnt find it.

Watch idiocracy, its hysterical.


 

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Eugenics can manipulate a lot pertaining to biological heredity,
nonetheless it is highly improbable that eugenics will ever breed stupidity out humankind.
 

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and THIS is why a conversation about eugenics can not happen. Just as stated people instantly think it means genocide. It means simply advocating that the best candidates in society breed.
Look at 3rd world nations that literally breed themselves "into" poverty. They continue to push for the breeding of lesser caste people to ensure there is not a smart enough population ever overthrow the ones in power.
Just as Im advocating the use of steered and possibly selective breeding FOR the benefit of man kind others use it to keep mankind down.
This goes right back to the conversation about music. We are breeding the population that is more enchanted with pretty singers than talented ones. We are continuing to let the more simple minded people have families of 5 while intelligent people have 1 child.
Eventually the dumb outnumber the smart in such a way that "democracy" makes the intelligent vote obsolete. Look at the fears with the European migrations (though I dont live there). Look at the people who keep getting in office here in the States. We have let Eugenics dumb us down, why not use it to get us back up.
Here in my country (Ive been through this so Ill keep it short) we reward the people who shouldnt be having kids FOR having them. for the population to pick up the slack of 350K for hopefully ONE genuinely world changing person is NOT a good investment, either time, financially or through our own labor and lives.
Work smarter not harder people.
There are levels to what people will call "eugenics"
Zircon uses the definition that we both actually found BUT that also includes the extremes. I dont consider what I talk about eugenics. Words change and evolve. I would consider what I suggest is "selective breeding". Eugenics to mean is now basically cleansing because other peoples "cynicism and dark outlooks" brought it there.

edit: I responded to Fred but retracted because I confused Gattica with a different movie.
I dont think I ever saw Gattica

I get what you are saying in theory--and i agree too many people are having kids FOR SURE!!!

but what i am saying is sometimes you can enact something with one intent and it gets bastardized into something malicious.

Sorry if you thought i assumed anything negative i meant it based solely on 'where' it can lead.
 

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I get what you are saying in theory--and i agree too many people are having kids FOR SURE!!!

but what i am saying is sometimes you can enact something with one intent and it gets bastardized into something malicious.

Sorry if you thought i assumed anything negative i meant it based solely on 'where' it can lead.

I get you but again Im not saying to make "laws" Im just saying to maybe throw some PSA's out there with "dont do drugs" that think before you breed. And also stop rewarding people who have so many kids. I know the "dont make the kids suffer" but if you keep having kids and want assistance THEN you have to be sterilized. Again its free will. Have as many as you want on YOUR dime and time but when you start dragging and asking then there are precautions that will happen.

The Island.

I was thinking that but Im not sure anymore.
 

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Idiocracy? I've never seen that one but I got the gist of it.

You should really see Gattaca, they even drop the red pill about baldness in it.

I just stumbled on this article:

http://news.usc.edu/10492/Gattaca-seperating-fact-from-fiction-and-right-from-wrong/


you are correct we are headed there.

I think their will still be a level considered 'ugly' it just will be something ridiculous.

I think people are competitive species for opposite sex on a very base level--thats instinct not going to change. if it did i dont know if we survive as a species as we know it.

their may be a boredom that sets in.
 

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I get you but again Im not saying to make "laws" Im just saying to maybe throw some PSA's out there with "dont do drugs" that think before you breed. And also stop rewarding people who have so many kids. I know the "dont make the kids suffer" but if you keep having kids and want assistance THEN you have to be sterilized. Again its free will. Have as many as you want on YOUR dime and time but when you start dragging and asking then there are precautions that will happen.



I was thinking that but Im not sure anymore.

I hear what you are saying....it is a problem. I do think in USA each generation is having less children. but its a problem probably in other countries more so.
 

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you are correct we are headed there.

I think their will still be a level considered 'ugly' it just will be something ridiculous.

I think people are competitive species for opposite sex on a very base level--thats instinct not going to change. if it did i dont know if we survive as a species as we know it.

their may be a boredom that sets in.


this one scene explains my outlook

 

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I hear what you are saying....it is a problem. I do think in USA each generation is having less children. but its a problem probably in other countries more so.

Actually its only white people (not being racist) or anyone with a "Career" in the US who is breeding less. Most low income and poverty stricken areas still remain the same numbers as ever.
Gotta keep the army full.


either or

maybe this discussion should get back on track
 

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Actually its only white people (not being racist) or anyone with a "Career" in the US who is breeding less. Most low income and poverty stricken areas still remain the same numbers as ever.
Gotta keep the army full.


either or

maybe this discussion should get back on track

i think its declining over all...maybe still not enough but seems like a better trend past ten years.
I may be wrong. Definitely not debating on it i dont know enough about it. Also dont know who made the chart etc.

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i think its declining over all...maybe still not enough but seems like a better trend past ten years.
I may be wrong. Definitely not debating on it i dont know enough about it. Also dont know who made the chart etc.

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Could be interesting to read up on more. I remember reading some articles a while ago that said most middle class, white and career people where waiting. It stated low income people were still about the same. Then again I say studies usually just tell you what they wanted you to hear after fudging enough numbers.
 

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I don't believe you looked it up first, no.

What you are saying is basically that people who don't have what you consider desirable traits (who you call "trash") should ideally just accept that they are genetic sh*t and not get the joy of having children. That is extremely dark and cynical in my opinion; literally advocating mass-murder is not a prerequisite for using those adjectives. In fact, if you did you likely wouldn't be posting here and I would characterize your views with much worse ones.

I'm not interested in fighting you and mentioned you only in passing as a representative for a certain worldview. I think you are hung up on those two words "dark" and "cynical" and got it into you that I used those words to imply you are an insane mass murderer type. Well, that's not what I meant. Don't know what more to say really.
Well you're entitled to whatever you want to think.
I didn't say you thought I was a mass murderer. I stated most people think of anything regarding eugenics as that and the guy who mentioned Hitler a few posts later kind of reinforced that.
My idea of good traits are those who are responsible and can afford it. Those who do not have serious disabilities they could pass on (plenty to adopt if that's the case). Those who are either and would need to take from others should resign from "the joy" of having children. When their joy inconveniences others then it's time to rethink your priorities.
 
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Well you're entitled to whatever you want to think.
I didn't say you thought I was a mass murderer. I stated most people think of anything regarding eugenics as that and the guy who mentioned Hitler a few posts later kind of reinforced that.
My idea of good traits are those who are responsible and can afford it. Those who do not have serious disabilities they could pass on (plenty to adopt if that's the case). Those who are neither and would need to take from others should resign from "the joy" of having children. When. Their joy inconveniences others then it's time to rethink your priorities.

Good luck with your political campaign you're going to need it.
 

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Well thats different i feel that way about people who adopt pets even.
But of course. Some buy cats and dogs, or get them from the shelter, then they do not have the money to neuter them, and make the poor pets suffer for years and years to come. They do not take pets to a vet not even once in their lifetimes.

Those people commit a crime and should be legally punished.
 

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We dont know if that plumber would have a son who when alienated as a teen turns to science or engineering and discovers something important for his generation.

The only great discovery that those dude will find is that it's possible to jerk off with both hands.

:):D:eek:
 

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Well if we are headed for Gattica, I would like to imagine a kinder, gentler eugenics by instead of killing or castrating undesireables, they are given sex dolls and subsidised housing to f*** said dolls in. Best solution ever.
 

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Well if we are headed for Gattica, I would like to imagine a kinder, gentler eugenics by instead of killing or castrating undesireables, they are given sex dolls and subsidised housing to f*** said dolls in. Best solution ever.
 

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Well if we are headed for Gattica, I would like to imagine a kinder, gentler eugenics by instead of killing or castrating undesireables, they are given sex dolls and subsidised housing to f*** said sex dolls in. Best solution ever.
 

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Well if we are headed for Gattica, I would like to imagine a kinder, gentler eugenics by instead of killing or castrating undesireables, they are given sex dolls and subsidised housing to f*** said dolls in. Best solution ever.
 
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