I genuinely threw all of my finasteride out of the window..

[Hoppi]

Sorry to be so hard on you Hoppi you just were the posterboy for the anti-finasteride crowd for a while on this board

no personal insults meant lol I wasn't try to be mean although I'm sure I came across that way.

it's all cool man

I've never been like totally anti-finasteride, as I've always recognized it's place as an incredibly strong 5ar type 2 inhibitor. I do believe people need to exercise a lot of caution with it though, and ideally should have some understanding of what it is doing to their bodies, not just to their hair.

 

[cuebald]

Hoppi's just completely bonkers though isn't he. A few months ago he was harking on about how he's just cured male pattern baldness and now he's throwing packets of Finasteride out of his window?

I thought you were a NW1 anyway Hoppi?

 

[GeminiX]

Hoppi's just completely bonkers though isn't he. A few months ago he was harking on about how he's just cured male pattern baldness and now he's throwing packets of Finasteride out of his window?

I try to be nice to people and treat people as I like to be treated in return, but I find I really have to bite my tongue (fingers?) with Hoppi's posts.

If I owned this site he would have had several stern warnings about his self-serving, relentless and harmful "quackery merchant" posts and constant flip-flopping over today's miracle-herbal-wonder cure.

My concern is that visitors who come to the site looking for answers will be overwhelmed by the walls of lunacy he posts and fail to find anything useful, leaving the site more confused than when they came here.

 

[Fender89]

he can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech. Anyone who reads his posts can draw their own conclusion.

 

[GeminiX]

he can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech. Anyone who reads his posts can draw their own conclusion.

I don't think "Freedom of speech" means what you think it means, at least not in this context.

Freedom of speech means that Hoppi is welcome to set up his own website, and post what ever nonsense he believes on a given day, while wearing his pants on his head if he so desires. In fact I would fight to my last breath anyone's right to do so.

This however is a privately owned site and forum, and the the owner of the site can chose any rules he sees fit (contractual obligations aside, but that's not the point).

When someone comes here and claims to have (about half the time) cured their baldness which never existed in the first place with magic beans, then that is nothing less than irresponsible.

Treatments which have not been proven to work, or as in most cases have actually been proven to not work at all are in the same category as Faith Healing, Homoeopaths and Duke Nukem Forever.

 

[Hoppi]

he can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech. Anyone who reads his posts can draw their own conclusion.

amen

Thanks man!

 

[dougfunny]

I do think it is completely absurd for Hoppi to be an "experienced poster" and GeminiX to be a "junior poster" that has been here 10x longer.

 

[GeminiX]

Cheers Doug, I aim (mostly) for a quality over quantity approach to posting

 

[Nene]

Cheers Doug, I aim (mostly) for a quality over quantity approach to posting

As we all should... :whistle:

 

[bigjohnson]

LOL GEMINI DUKE NUKEM FOREVER I GET THAT LOL

 

[GeminiX]

LOL GEMINI DUKE NUKEM FOREVER I GET THAT LOL

Yay!

 

[bigjohnson]

LOL i bet u guys Duke Nukem Forever will be out before Hoppi can cure male pattern baldness!

 

[Hoppi]

LOL i bet u guys Duke Nukem Forever will be out before Hoppi can cure male pattern baldness!

Duke Nukem Forever looks wicked! I think it's actually being released by Valve at some point, so that should be great!

 

[Boondock]

I thought this was one of Hoppi's saner threads.

If he doesn't want to take finasteride, he doesn't have to. The biggest problem between the finasteride takers and the finasteride haters is that they simply have zero empathy for the other point of view. finasteride haters believe the stuff's poison, finasteride takers believe that all side-effects are 'in people's heads'. In reality, people just have different experiences, which you just have to accept.

 

[bigjohnson]

its not about empathy Boondock its well the fact that this board and its advice helped me out through a seriously bad time in my life and the big 3 advice they gave me really really improved my situation now i feel like it's my duty to come back here and dispel the scare mongering and other bullshit ppl post claiming they solved hairloss with wheat grass and donkey sh*t shampoo, when i know approved treatments are effective most of the time. while i dont doubt people suffer sides as i have said i had suffered them at first when taking finasteride many years ago but i believe in most cases they subside and that people need to get perspective before they write off such a powerful and useful tool for fighting male pattern baldness off. and i quote myself "ARE U IN THIS FIGHT TO WIN IT?" or do u wanna be a bald loser? but like u said its his perogative however thats spelled to take it or not but i'm just here to keep to presence of success and hope around because these treatments have essentially saved my life! and i dont want other ppl to be scared off by some nonsense posted by the few rare side effect ppl who are the majority of the board posters. because as u can see i went years without posting and letting people know of my own personal success and i think other people do just the same and its harmful to this community when only the horror stories get posted.

 

[Hoppi]

a bald loser?

I don't actually care THAT much if I go bald anymore, I used to, but then I saw that tons of people from my favourite country (where quite a bit of my family is from) - Italy - are bald or losing hair too, no matter how nice or thick their hair may have been in the past. It's just part of being a man, sometimes it happens. I will do my best to stop and understand it, but if I can't then I can't.

Additionally I think it's very sloppy to write off natural treatments as if the mainstream ones are all that matter. I have spoken to people that seem VERY confident that they stopped shedding and often regrew with a natural approach based around health, and even if you don't believe that then surely you appreciate the value of something like equol which takes DHT out of the bloodstream? It has according to a few fairly good sources stopped or slowed people's loss without the bad effects of finasteride.

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - high DHT, low T, high levels of genetic susceptibility, poor collagen, thyroid problems, food allergies, low SHBG etc. People like to over-simplify but the body is in a very complex balance, and many things can tip the scales and change your internal make up. Just because people like to claim it's some kind of epigenetic change that occurs at age X doesn't mean that's true and I don't believe there is actually any evidence of that (other than possibly a transition that occurs over the teenage years). The only evidence I've seen is people reversing their hair loss by correcting their unique triggers, which suggests their bodies didn't fundamentally change, they were just in a different state.

But people can disagree, and that is what free speech is all about!

 

[dougfunny]

c:

 

[Bryan]

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - ... low T ...

If you really believe that male pattern baldness can be caused by low testosterone, then you're just wasting your time here, and wasting the time of everybody else who bothers to read your posts. I suggest you simply stop reading and posting here and go find something else to do, much like your friend misterE did. I've had it with people who simply don't listen, and post their own ridiculous theories.

 

[Azzy]

maybe multimilloinaire saw palmetto lobby is paying people to claim they had side effects and permanent side effects from finasteride use...they have so many money they're paying governments too so they can inform people they may have permanent side effects :shock:

 

[Boondock]

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - ... low T ...

If you really believe that male pattern baldness can be caused by low testosterone, then you're just wasting your time here, and wasting the time of everybody else who bothers to read your posts. I suggest you simply stop reading and posting here and go find something else to do, much like your friend misterE did. I've had it with people who simply don't listen, and post their own ridiculous theories.

Indeed.

The only virtue of Hoppi, I suppose, is that he's fun to have around. MisterE freaked me out every time I looked at his avatar.