I genuinely threw all of my finasteride out of the window..

[Bryan]

The only virtue of Hoppi, I suppose, is that he's fun to have around. MisterE freaked me out every time I looked at his avatar.

His avatar didn't bother me. It's his posts that freaked me out!

 

[Hoppi]

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - ... low T ...

If you really believe that male pattern baldness can be caused by low testosterone, then you're just wasting your time here, and wasting the time of everybody else who bothers to read your posts. I suggest you simply stop reading and posting here and go find something else to do, much like your friend misterE did. I've had it with people who simply don't listen, and post their own ridiculous theories.

Indeed.

The only virtue of Hoppi, I suppose, is that he's fun to have around. MisterE freaked me out every time I looked at his avatar.

haha, I still speak to misterE, he's on another forum I'm on


... same avatar and everything!

 

[Boondock]

haha, I still speak to misterE, he's on another forum I'm on


... same avatar and everything!

Jeez, I don't know why he keeps the avatar. Every time I looked at it I imagined it saying "I followed MisterE's hair loss regimen advice, and look how I turned out."

 

[dougfunny]

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - ... low T ...

If you really believe that male pattern baldness can be caused by low testosterone, then you're just wasting your time here, and wasting the time of everybody else who bothers to read your posts. I suggest you simply stop reading and posting here and go find something else to do, much like your friend misterE did. I've had it with people who simply don't listen, and post their own ridiculous theories.

How exactaly does low T cause male pattern baldness, Hoppi? :dunno:

 

[Hoppi]

I personally believe male pattern baldness can be caused by a variety of things - ... low T ...

If you really believe that male pattern baldness can be caused by low testosterone, then you're just wasting your time here, and wasting the time of everybody else who bothers to read your posts. I suggest you simply stop reading and posting here and go find something else to do, much like your friend misterE did. I've had it with people who simply don't listen, and post their own ridiculous theories.

How exactaly does low T cause male pattern baldness, Hoppi? :dunno:

Haha good question, the joke is that high T also causes/increases male pattern baldness! So I believe the trick is to just keep testosterone at a healthy but not excessive level.

You see, the original suspicions for this were speculative and based on observational evidence for me - the pattern that individuals who had metabolic syndrome or are older tend to lose hair more, both of which are associated with LOWER testosterone levels, and higher estrogen. The theory followed in my mind that the body must be making up for the lack of testosterone by increasing DHT. CS also backed this up, saying that 5ar is then upregulated.

In a study (which I'm sure can be tracked down again) it was shown that increasing the testosterone levels of men with low T caused their DHT to drop, but then of course this effect was not replicated in those who already had healthy levels of testosterone.

This pretty much confirmed it for me, at least for now.

 

[Bryan]

How exactaly does low T cause male pattern baldness, Hoppi? :dunno:

Haha good question, the joke is that high T also causes/increases male pattern baldness! So I believe the trick is to just keep testosterone at a healthy but not excessive level.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm even responding to this drivel. Maybe it's partly because I don't want newbies to read it and think there's anything to it, and partly because I'm bored, and there's nothing on HBO right now for me to watch.

Anybody who gives any serious consideration to the idea that low testosterone causes male pattern baldness should keep in mind that castration, which causes a dramatic decrease in testosterone (a 95% reduction, according to one study), brings balding to a screeching halt, according to the seminal studies by James Hamilton.

The same goes for people with CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome), who have genetically mutated androgen receptors, so they get no androgenic stimulation. It's as if they don't have any testosterone at all! :shock: Those people, too, just like castrated men, never experience androgenetic alopecia.

Bottom-line: listen to what doctors and scientists tell you, not crackpots on the Internet!

You see, the original suspicions for this were speculative and based on observational evidence for me - the pattern that individuals who had metabolic syndrome or are older tend to lose hair more, both of which are associated with LOWER testosterone levels, and higher estrogen.

That kind of ridiculous reasoning comes under the kind of logic that I call "guilt by association": older men do indeed have more hair loss than younger men, and older men also have more problems with (fill-in-the-blank) than younger men; therefore, (fill-in-the-blank) must obviously cause hair loss.

Using that kind of silly logic, one could argue that WRINKLES must cause balding, because older men obviously have more balding, and wrinkles!

The theory followed in my mind that the body must be making up for the lack of testosterone by increasing DHT. CS also backed this up, saying that 5ar is then upregulated.

The body doesn't "make up" for the lack of testosterone by increasing DHT. In fact, I can show you a study by some world-class scientists (Happle & Hoffmann) who found that giving testosterone to human scalp hair follicles actually increased their synthesis of 5a-reductase type II mRNA. That's the OPPOSITE of what you're claiming, Hoppi!

Again, know what you're talking about, before you shoot your mouth off about eccentric theories of balding.

 

[GeminiX]

I love how people cling to the low testosterone causes hair-loss myth *even when I'm sitting right here*; the followers of this myth should check out the transgender forums, I'm not alone

From a "normal body chemistry" stand point you won't get much more screwed up than mine, however based on the logical reasoning which Hoppi is presenting us with and following through to a conclusion based on the same observational evidence it must be the fact that I like shiny things and Gucci that is responsible for my healthy locks. I know many people who like shiny things and Gucci and also have nice hair.

Wow, I just realised that I have now solved hair-loss, all you need is some nice ear rings and a Gucci hand bag and job done, proven fact right there!

Phew, I'm all scienced out for today.

 

[dougfunny]

Correlation does not imply causation, unless of course you are Hoppi in which case it is irrefutable proof of causation.

:smack:

 

[Hoppi]

I love how people cling to the low testosterone causes hair-loss myth *even when I'm sitting right here*; the followers of this myth should check out the transgender forums, I'm not alone

From a "normal body chemistry" stand point you won't get much more screwed up than mine, however based on the logical reasoning which Hoppi is presenting us with and following through to a conclusion based on the same observational evidence it must be the fact that I like shiny things and Gucci that is responsible for my healthy locks. I know many people who like shiny things and Gucci and also have nice hair.

Wow, I just realised that I have now solved hair-loss, all you need is some nice ear rings and a Gucci hand bag and job done, proven fact right there!

Phew, I'm all scienced out for today.

yes but beyond a certain point, testosterone levels would surely be so low that there's nothing to make DHT from anyway.

 

[Bryan]

yes but beyond a certain point, testosterone levels would surely be so low that there's nothing to make DHT from anyway.

So let me get this straight: you admit that when testosterone is too high, it can cause balding, right? (You said so yourself in an earlier post.) But as it goes down to a more average level, balding declines to an acceptable level, right? But as it _continues_ to decline to below average, balding starts to pick up again, right? (You also made this claim in a recent post.) But as it gets STILL lower, now you're saying that balding starts going DOWN again, because there's not enough testosterone to make DHT, right?

Wow, this is turning into a really complicated mess, isn't it? It would probably require a differential equation to calculate this roller-coaster of ups and downs in balding that testosterone causes, wouldn't it? :shock:

 

[hairrific]

Seems to me one can get good weed in Kent, UK! :woot: