If it were not for the women, would you care about baldness?

[CaptainForehead]

Suppose your chances with women were the same with and without hair. Just suppose. Then, would you care about baldness?

 

[Ori83]

Being as honest as i can, id say its about 60-70% women and rest cause of my self, i love having hair just to look "normal" for my age, fitting in, and just having the option to change my looks, lets face it changing haircuts (for the ones of you who still can do that) makes a HUGE diffrence on your looks

i remember when i was a teen, getting a good hair cut could make my month! and having a bad hair day would ruin my day altogether...
buttom line, id still care, although women makes a huge part of it for me.

 

[bigentries]

In more insecure days, I would have problems about what other guys would think.

Not anymore. I admit my problem is mostly about what women think about the way I look, considering I'm still young and single.

I don't think I'm any different than anyone else. That is the same reason why people (men and women) fatten up after they marry, once they are out of the market they stop caring about the way they look because they think it doesn't matter anymore. If they actually take care of themselves after a while, they usually do it because they are insecure about their relationships

I don't think I should be called shallow or anything, I'm not really looking for a supermodel girlfriend, it's just the way things go, single men and women try to market themselves the best they can. And yes, I know there are fat, short, bald men who can still sell themselves really well (like GemiX used to). But the reality is that, not all of us has the charisma to compensate for an unattractive physical trait

 

[HairPieceMan]

yes, no man wants to be bald, whether its julius ceaser or wayne roone, we all HATE it, even with social status, loads of money and women with or without hair we all still hate to have the absence of hair on our head.

unless your black or actually look good bald (extremely rare).

 

[bigentries]

yes, no man wants to be bald, whether its julius ceaser or wayne roone, we all HATE it, even with social status, loads of money and women with or without hair we all still hate to have the absence of hair on our head.

unless your black or actually look good bald (extremely rare).

Which basically reduces the problem at what other people (specially women) think about you.

I call it BS when people claim they are bothered so much about their own baldness just because of their self image. Baldness, like graying, wrinkles, are expected to happen sooner or later, people only care about it because of other people's perceptions

You exemplified it so good. Being black or looking very good bald destroys the stigma completely.

Could you imagine Taye Diggs crying about being bald? Would you feel compassion for him just because of a distorted view of his body?
He will never experience what being "bald" is like for people like dudemon or ucman

 

[waldo]

simply no. its only about women for me

for all the socially enlightened let me elaborate:
if you are in a group of only men, any trait that makes you attractive to women and doesnt serve any other purpose than that is not gonna get you social-hierarchy-points.

being ripped obviously will, because this doesnt only make you attractive to women, but is also a display of physical power (probably one of the most social-hierarchy-relevant traits among male-only groups). being intelligent, same thing... problem solving skills are a trait of a leader. being tall, displays dominance etc etc

freaking hair however, doesnt do sh*t for you. thats why it would be of absolutely no significance whatsoever in male-only social groups. if anything, having hair makes you vulnerable because an opponent can control your head easily by holding onto it in a fight. two aspiring alphas get into a fistfight, assuming they are equal but one has longish hair, one shaved his nw7, the shaved guy has a clear advantage.

little edit: i actually felt 100% comfortable with my shaved nw4 around my nw1 male friends, because i am a relatively confident guy. now if you happen to have some self esteem issues because you are skinny, short, fat or whatever, i can imagine being bald on top of that would make you feel even more miserable among men.

 

[Primo]

Women is undeniably a big factor, especially if you're in the 18-25 category because everyone else just seems so physically perfect.

However once you get older I think there's is less of a premium on males with that perfect head of hair. Women get sellulite, stretch marks on their stomach, their breasts begin to sag, they get wrinkly faces and their vaginas get completely ravaged by child birth, so I think it's fair to say their hollywood expectations for men's physical appearance begin to fall once they get into mid20s and begin ageing themselves.

It's mainly the 18-21 female group who are really bitchy about baldness, that's why I feel for guys who virtually lose it all at this age because it must take superhuman confidence to get through it.

Women was not the only concern for me though. As a young male it can affect even the most trivial things, for example dress sense. I like rocking all kinds of clothing styles, but when you're a NW3 there's only so much stuff you can pull off, as when you go for younger looking clothes it can look a bit weird and loserish. Ironically enough the slick look is a lot more versatile and suits a lot more styles, so at least I got that to look forward to I guess :woot:

 

[s.a.f]

simply no. its only about women for me

for all the socially enlightened let me elaborate:
if you are in a group of only men, any trait that makes you attractive to women and doesnt serve any other purpose than that is not gonna get you social-hierarchy-points.

being ripped obviously will, because this doesnt only make you attractive to women, but is also a display of physical power (probably one of the most social-hierarchy-relevant traits among male-only groups). being intelligent, same thing... problem solving skills are a trait of a leader. being tall, displays dominance etc etc
freaking hair however, doesnt do sh*t for you. thats why it would be of absolutely no significance whatsoever in male-only social groups. if anything, having hair makes you vulnerable because an opponent can control your head easily by holding onto it in a fight. two aspiring alphas get into a fistfight, assuming they are equal but one has longish hair, one shaved his nw7, the shaved guy has a clear advantage.

little edit: i actually felt 100% comfortable with my shaved nw4 around my nw1 male friends, because i am a relatively confident guy. now if you happen to have some self esteem issues because you are skinny, short, fat or whatever, i can imagine being bald on top of that would make you feel even more miserable among men.

Baldness is associated with ageing which in turn is associated with lake of vitality ect. So other males could see you as being past your prime.

As for the original question I just cant imagine what a world without women would be like, (even though I live/work in a allmost totally male oriented enviroment) so cant really answer the question. But I do know that in my 20's (and even now TBH) I spent alot of time feeling rather inadequate around NW1 peers.

 

[uncomfortable man]

I understand the point of this thread is to find a logical path to "not caring" about baldness by imposing the hypothetical that women either don't care about baldness or don't exist all together but how is it actually helpful? Women exist, and they don't prefer bald guys here in the real world.

 

[CaptainForehead]

As for the original question I just cant imagine what a world without women would be like, (even though I live/work in a allmost totally male oriented enviroment) so cant really answer the question.

I didnt say a world without women, I said a world where your chances with women were the same with or without hair.. :hump:

 

[uncomfortable man]

A few days ago something happened that just ruined me for the next couple of days. There is this new cute chick working at the gas station I always go to. She is kinda white trash and her teeth are messed up but she has an incredible body and is just hot all around. Well, as you could imagine every time I've seen her I've been covered but this time I wasn't. I was cleanly buzzed and shaven so it wasn't that I looked like a slob but none the less I was hoping she wasn't working. She was. When she saw me I could instantly tell by the look on her face that she was overwhelmingly disappointed and I could see any positive opinions she may have previously had about me (flirty) withered and shriveled up into a charred husk. She said she didn't recognize me and all I could do is just shrug my shoulders and tell her, yeah I get that alot.

 

[HairPieceMan]

similar thing happened with me, i was bald and had a very hot dentist, she was used to seeing me bald, then i wore a hair system and had another appointment with her.

she had that "wtf i can barely recognise you and you look 10x better now with hair" type look, it was like I basically became a human being to her just by having hair.

the joys of male pattern baldness!

 

[CaptainForehead]

I understand the point of this thread is to find a logical path to "not caring" about baldness by imposing the hypothetical that women either don't care about baldness or don't exist all together but how is it actually helpful? Women exist, and they don't prefer bald guys here in the real world.

Because the hair loss issues for many people seem to go deeper. They have internalised the dislike of potential women mates to the point where they themselves feel there is inherently wrong with them. Yes, there is a difference.


For me, its 97% women, and maybe 3% myself. For the "myself" part, heck, I'd rather have more intelligence, or more muscles, or be more taller, or more physically gifted or....

A few days ago something happened that just ruined me for the next couple of days.

THAT is bad UM. Dont be self hating.

Its like this. Suppose you are smart and into science. You are put into a group where the others are idiots. The idiots make fun of you because they dont understand you. Do you feel bad about yourself, hate yourself or think "idiots, so many idiots", with your self worth intact.

Consider the alternative scenario where you are not so smart. And you are put into a group of smart people. They make fun of you for being dumb.

How do you feel when you get rejected for being bald? Scenario 1 or 2?

 

[s.a.f]

similar thing happened with me, i was bald and had a very hot dentist, she was used to seeing me bald, then i wore a hair system and had another appointment with her.

she had that "wtf i can barely recognise you and you look 10x better now with hair" type look, it was like I basically became a human being to her just by having hair.

Hmmm, you sure it was'nt the OMG he's got a fukking rug glued to his head !!! :freaked: type look?

 

[HairPieceMan]

nah i doubt it.

anyway.

if i may answer that question myself...i guess scenario 2, becuase you lack something that most others have, what is most common to men, it makes you different and has always been considered a genetic weakness.

as UMan says if society puts you down you cannot help but hate yourself for that trait, you get self worth by appraisal of other people, if you take a test and fail you then feel bad, so you feel worthless, in the same way if someone reacts to you negatively based purely on some physical attribute you feel self loathing.

these things sound like perfectly natural feelings for a human being to have.

 

[CaptainForehead]

it makes you different and has always been considered a genetic weakness.

Correct, but different does not mean inferior.
"considered" a weakness by certain people does not mean it is a genetic weakness.

Does it make you weaker'
Dumber?
Affect YOUR ability to do work?
Affect your sperm?
Cause disease?

as UMan says if society puts you down you cannot help but hate yourself for that trait, you get self worth by appraisal of other people, if you take a test and fail you then feel bad, so you feel worthless, in the same way if someone reacts to you negatively based purely on some physical attribute you feel self loathing.

these things sound like perfectly natural feelings for a human being to have.

No, you do have a choice. The entire society does not put you down. Bald men are viewed as more intellegent, as more mature. Only your attractiveness takes a hit.

The choice is whether you see the hit in attractiveness as a fault of others, or as a fault of yours.

 

[HairPieceMan]

like it or not male pattern baldness is a genetic "flaw" (aka weakness) in the human race.

it is unnatural, human beings are MEANT TO have hair on their scalp.

to be bald is an unnatural act, it's not what humans are "meant to be".

it doesn't matter how people view bald men at this current point in time, maybe some people view it as a sign of inteligence at the moment, just like having long hair was rebelious at one time...these are social views at a current point in time.

maybe in 100 years being bald will mean your gay, the social views of a grooming choice at the moment is irrelivant.

it is still a genetic flaw (weakness), yeah it is purely visual but that doesn't discount the fact that it is a flaw to hopefully be cured eventually.

also although irrelevant there is way more negativity for baldness than there is positivity, terms "hair loss sufferer" and "hair loss cure soon" implies that it's a problem to be fixed, what if everyman was bald, that would look wierd, people would think there is something "wrong" with men, so why is it ok for only 2% of men to be bald, it isn''t that is why.

put it this way if severe hairloss affected 75% of men in their 20s hairloss would be a BIG problem to be solved purely becuase it affects more people, but the fact that it is in the minority it's not such a big problem anymore, sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

can you imagine walking into a club and seeing 75 bald guys and only 25 guys with hair, you'd think your on planet mars!

 

[CaptainForehead]

like it or not male pattern baldness is a genetic "flaw" (aka weakness) in the human race.

it is unnatural, human beings are MEANT TO have hair on their scalp.

to be bald is an unnatural act, it's not what humans are "meant to be".

Talked to God, have ya? :mrgreen:

can you imagine walking into a club and seeing 75 bald guys and only 25 guys with hair, you'd think your on planet mars!

Been to western europe?

 

[bigentries]

like it or not male pattern baldness is a genetic "flaw" (aka weakness) in the human race.

it is unnatural, human beings are MEANT TO have hair on their scalp.

to be bald is an unnatural act, it's not what humans are "meant to be".

it doesn't matter how people view bald men at this current point in time, maybe some people view it as a sign of inteligence at the moment, just like having long hair was rebelious at one time...these are social views at a current point in time.

maybe in 100 years being bald will mean your gay, the social views of a grooming choice at the moment is irrelivant.

it is still a genetic flaw (weakness), yeah it is purely visual but that doesn't discount the fact that it is a flaw to hopefully be cured eventually.

also although irrelevant there is way more negativity for baldness than there is positivity, terms "hair loss sufferer" and "hair loss cure soon" implies that it's a problem to be fixed, what if everyman was bald, that would look wierd, people would think there is something "wrong" with men, so why is it ok for only 2% of men to be bald, it isn''t that is why.

put it this way if severe hairloss affected 75% of men in their 20s hairloss would be a BIG problem to be solved purely becuase it affects more people, but the fact that it is in the minority it's not such a big problem anymore, sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

can you imagine walking into a club and seeing 75 bald guys and only 25 guys with hair, you'd think your on planet mars!

Not in a club full of black dudes...
http://www.vegaslifeofluxury.com/poetry ... -the-time/

I like to point black people in particular because posts like the one I'm quoting don't make any freaking sense when you are referring about black people.
People don't like to admit its a cosmetic issue that comes down to the way people and very specifically, women, see bald men in particular.

Because when people claim is "unnatural" "a genetic weakness" "a disease" "just the way they feel about themselves" they just end up looking like fools because a black guy with a receding hairline can still pic up a women with no problems

 

[s.a.f]

like it or not male pattern baldness is a genetic "flaw" (aka weakness) in the human race.

it is unnatural, human beings are MEANT TO have hair on their scalp.

to be bald is an unnatural act, it's not what humans are "meant to be".

it doesn't matter how people view bald men at this current point in time, maybe some people view it as a sign of inteligence at the moment, just like having long hair was rebelious at one time...these are social views at a current point in time.

maybe in 100 years being bald will mean your gay, the social views of a grooming choice at the moment is irrelivant.

it is still a genetic flaw (weakness), yeah it is purely visual but that doesn't discount the fact that it is a flaw to hopefully be cured eventually.

also although irrelevant there is way more negativity for baldness than there is positivity, terms "hair loss sufferer" and "hair loss cure soon" implies that it's a problem to be fixed, what if everyman was bald, that would look wierd, people would think there is something "wrong" with men, so why is it ok for only 2% of men to be bald, it isn''t that is why.

put it this way if severe hairloss affected 75% of men in their 20s hairloss would be a BIG problem to be solved purely becuase it affects more people, but the fact that it is in the minority it's not such a big problem anymore, sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

can you imagine walking into a club and seeing 75 bald guys and only 25 guys with hair, you'd think your on planet mars!

Seriously you dont half make yourself look stupid! :shakehead: