Insulin resistance, PCOS, and male pattern baldness

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Since no one really knows what's causing male pattern baldness, I think we should all be open to new ideas. That being said, I think it's obvious that it is a phenomenon that has evolutionary roots. By that I mean that I think one can explain male pattern baldness with a combination of evolutionary anthropology and biology, both hormonal and molecular.

Think of it this way: Aging happens because we eat. If there's not a lot of food around, your body will wait. It won't develop as quickly. What's my evidence for this? Everyone knows that a calorie-restricted diet will extend lifespan for every type of organism from yeast to humans. Knocking down the insulin receptor does the same thing. No one really knows why. But I have an easy evolutionary explanation for that. Your body is patient. The real evidence, for me, comes from women who undergo early menarche. Early menarche correlates with insulin resistance. So, think about it: if a girl eats a lot (carbs), her body will think there's plenty of food around. So, then her body will want to have that baby! Don't wait! That food supply may die down at some point! She'll develop early. She'll experience early menarche. That's how we're programmed in an evolutionary and hormonal sense. Take advantage of all the resources around! Guys don't have an analogous landmark in development (or do we?), so it's harder to see there.

The way our bodies measure how much food around is with insulin/sugar. If you're less sensitive to insulin from eating so much sugar/carbs, then your body thinks there's plenty of food around. Think of it like listening to loud music all the time. your ears will become less sensitive to music. If you have the insulin up too loud, you'll develop faster, AGE faster, and lose your hair sooner. So, that's why carbs are so important. We're not meant to have that much of them, and we're overloading the aging machinery. People are living longer because we can treat infections and diseases that would have killed people years earlier, but it does NOT mean that we are biologically aging slower. We are aging FASTER. Hence why age at menarche is getting earlier and earlier, along with the age of hair loss onset.
The other thing that causes one to be less sensitive to insulin is inflammation. So, avoid the gluten etc., and foods that our bodies don't recognize as food (anything processed).

male pattern baldness definitely has evolutionary roots, and is not unavoidable, IMO. Maybe some of us will go bald even if we live a perfect lifestyle (perfect diet, sleep well, no stress, etc.). Just like obesity, your genetics determines where you fall on the bell curve, but the environment is what determines where the center of the bell curve falls. Since you can't control your genetics, you should look into controlling your environment. With food getting more and more sugar added to it, and more and more processed, the center of that bell curve is moving in the wrong direction. Castration is also very interesting...more on that next.
 

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Bryan... The majority of the females don't have brain and don't need to get cool down? LOL Bryan comes to a place like Afghanistan.. you wil be more than happy to have plenty of hair on your pumpkin... This is absolute sh*t but funny just like the hair becomes sensitive to DHT theory! Btw Bryan I shave my nuts weekly... It helps a bit to cool down but they feel a bit more sticky! :)
 

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squeegee said:
Bryan... The majority of the females don't have brain and don't need to get cool down?

Of course they do. What's your point? :dunno:
 

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Bryan said:
squeegee said:
Bryan... The majority of the females don't have brain and don't need to get cool down?

Of course they do. What's your point? :dunno:

I don't see a lot a female walking around with the horseshoe pattern compare to the guys.. Do you have any abstract or study proving the existence of Santa Claus because I really want to believe in him. :shakehead:
 

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squeegee said:
Bryan said:
Of course they do. What's your point? :dunno:

I don't see a lot a female walking around with the horseshoe pattern compare to the guys..

Of course not! Females don't have a sufficiently high enough level of androgens to result in a significant and obvious degree of male pattern baldness. As I've explained REPEATEDLY in the past in various threads (not necessarily to YOU, but numerous other people), the development of male pattern baldness in humans is a relatively recent evolutionary change, and hasn't (yet) affected all humans. With the passage of more time (maybe another 100,000 years or so), I expect that change to have worked its way over to everybody, including females. Nowadays, it mainly affects only humans who already have sufficient levels of androgens (males), and not even all of THEM.
 

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Bryan said:
squeegee said:
Bryan said:
Of course they do. What's your point? :dunno:

I don't see a lot a female walking around with the horseshoe pattern compare to the guys..

Of course not! Females don't have a sufficiently high enough level of androgens to result in a significant and obvious degree of male pattern baldness. As I've explained REPEATEDLY in the past in various threads (not necessarily to YOU, but numerous other people), the development of male pattern baldness in humans is a relatively recent evolutionary change, and hasn't (yet) affected all humans. With the passage of more time (maybe another 100,000 years or so), I expect that change to have worked its way over to everybody, including females. Nowadays, it mainly affects only humans who already have sufficient levels of androgens (males), and not even all of THEM.

Bryan Nostradamus and his predictions!
 

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With enough time it's easy to predict anything. Time is all we need.

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The brain cooling theory seems to still leave many unanswered questions...

For one, human brains have been shrinking over the last 20,000 years or so, which would mean less of a need for cooling...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... years.html


It's not something we'd like to admit, but it seems the human race may actually be becoming increasingly dumb.

Man's brain has been gradually shrinking over the last 20,000 years, according to a new report.

This decrease in size follows two million years during which the human cranium steadily grew in size, and it's happened all over the world, to both sexes and every race.

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the true evolutionary cause of male pattern baldness probably dates back several million years to a long lost monkey ancestor of both apes and humans. This monkey probably evolved a bright - shiny bald scalp as a result of sexual selection and these genes were passed on to apes and humans as relics, much like an appendix or other vestigial organs that currently have no real function.
 

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Bryan said:
These results support the hypothesis that male baldness is a thermoregulatory compensation for the growth of a beard in adults.

That seems to be in agreement with Stephen Foote's hydraulic theory of male pattern baldness
 

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balder said:
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These results support the hypothesis that male baldness is a thermoregulatory compensation for the growth of a beard in adults.

That seems to be in agreement with Stephen Foote's hydraulic theory of male pattern baldness

Stephen Foote's hydraulic theory of male pattern baldness has nothing to do with thermoregulation.
 

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Bryan said:
Stephen Foote's hydraulic theory of male pattern baldness has nothing to do with thermoregulation.

Foote's theory appears to describe thermoregulation through dermal fluid changes...


viewtopic.php?p=191445#p191445



The authors interpreted these sweating differences as some kind of evolutionary thermo-regulatory adaptation, but that was just their "evolutionary" take on the results, and does not explain any "mechanism".

The important thing is the relationship between these sweating changes and DHT related hair growth/loss. The only "mechanism" that explains these results, is DHT induced changes in tissue fluid levels!

The only recognised factor in changes in a tissues ability to sweat, is the fluid level in that tissue. For example, in extreme heat dehydration, a person will lose the ability to sweat as the tissues lose fluid.

In my opinion, the sweating changes are the simple result of changes in the local fluid levels.

S Foote.

 

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Stephen Foote was only talking about changes in levels of sweating in that passage, he wasn't really talking about its effect on the health of hair follicles per se. He's made it clear in other posts that according to his theory, it's contact inhibition which causes male pattern baldness (from the effect of greater fluid pressure on hair follicles).
 

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Bryan said:
Stephen Foote was only talking about changes in levels of sweating in that passage, he wasn't really talking about its effect on the health of hair follicles per se. He's made it clear in other posts that according to his theory, it's contact inhibition which causes male pattern baldness (from the effect of greater fluid pressure on hair follicles).


Thanks Bryan for the clarification :notworthy
 

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I think it is important to clarify a few points here. My theory begins with a proposed developement of a thermo-regulation mechanism in evolving mammals. This is described in the hydraulic dermal model section here:


http://www.hairsite2.com/library/abst-167.htm


As far as modern human hair patterns are concerned, these became irrelevant in thermo-regulation a long time ago. The study being refered to here "Beards, Baldness, and Sweat Secretion" made some important findings. However, the conjecture that these findings are linked to some evolved brain cooling system, does not explain the mechanism of the hair growth changes itself. Also, the wider scientific community has debunked the changes in hair patterns and sweating as relevant to brain cooling.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... ntent;col1


The really important thing the sweating study did, was to prove beyond any question that in tissues subject to androgen related hair growth changes (male pattern baldness), there was a direct link with sweating ability.

In my hydraulic dermal model, any change in hair growth that is caused by this mechanism, will have to also cause sweating changes. That sweating study proved this prediction in human androgen related hair growth/loss.


S Foote.
 

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S Foote. said:
As far as modern human hair patterns are concerned, these became irrelevant in thermo-regulation a long time ago. The study being refered to here "Beards, Baldness, and Sweat Secretion" made some important findings. However, the conjecture that these findings are linked to some evolved brain cooling system, does not explain the mechanism of the hair growth changes itself.

No, but I doubt that _anybody_ (besides you yourself) would seriously believe that the mechanism involves "contact inhibition", rather than the direct suppressive effect of androgens on scalp hair follicles.

S Foote. said:
Also, the wider scientific community has debunked the changes in hair patterns and sweating as relevant to brain cooling.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... ntent;col1

Stephen, you need to post your statements using a LOT more clarity and precision. Are you claiming that the link above supports what you said just prior to that about what "the wider scientific community has debunked"? Please explain, without making us have to GUESS what you mean.
 
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