There was recently a similar discussion here about whether or not
@Wolf Pack is an insensitive bragger, with a couple people saying that he is and that he is triggering people, and I disagreed with those two people.
Since this is a website about aesthetics, we end up talking about dating a lot. There are a few people who say that wanting nice hair isn't about attracting women, to which I respond "bullshit". Being bald means you can save time on taking care of your hair and that you can feel the wind, if we lived on desert islands with no women, we would just shave it, bro, because we wouldn't care about aesthetics.
My only request, my only expectation when people talk about their romantic lives or lack thereof, is that they be honest. If they're living failed romantic lives like I am, I want to read about it something, and I hope what I'm reading about is accurate. The same is true if they are living average romantic lives or above-average romantic lives. Reading about their experiences helps inform a more accurate view and understanding of the world and thus cleanse our minds from fictional Hollywood bullshit.
What I got from Zircon -- and I was a new poster when he was discovering that he's possessed by a slayer demon -- was that looks matter and that there are different ways to be good looking. I have not seen his photo but apparently he's good looking in a non-standard way. He also brought up that hair matters, the way women would spontaneously lose interest when they realized his hair is a combover. In spite of his successes, he went and got a hair transplant.
To my knowledge
@Wolfpack wrote factually, that this is how his life is, I've heard that he's very good looking from female members of the board, and fine- fair enough. He wrote a topic once about how some stunning girl wanted him so bad that she was telling him sh*t about his girlfriend.
I mean that's triggering to a lot of incels, not only having a girlfriend but having another hot girl fighting for him- however, I don't at all find it
insulting, that's just his experiences, through genetic luck or skill.
Now zircon had a few moments, maybe only a handful, where he definitely came across as bragging and mocking the inferior incels (which he was himself only a short time beforehand). I know I just ranted about him, but for the most part I do like zircon, however someone can be a great person 99% of the time, but that little 1% remaining can reveal the true colours of a horribly arrogant human, which I feel we all have to control. What I particularly didn't like about this is that he never owned up to it or faced it, some of the language and tone he would use while basically mocking inceldom, was pretty reprehensible.
I have no problem with the way WolfPack did it, even others like Fred and Shooks, for the most part when they write about their experiences, it's just that.
I do however take issue when people step over that thin line, for me personally I've never had issues attracting women, and I don't often write about it unless it's somewhat relevant to the topic at hand (and usually it isn't- I find a lot of people twist topics into their slayer experiences and it's very transparent) but you have to take into consideration that there's a lot of frustrated guys reading this sh*t, and take care that they rightfully get pissed off about it.
I definitely got the impression zircon was at times feeling better about himself by coyly writing about his own experiences, while indirectly putting the inferior incel down.
if you are doing things beyond making out then you aren't incel imo. even making out and kissing suggests you are good looking enough not to be incel. the point of incel is "involuntarily" celibate. if the only thing stopping you is not going outside or trying then you aren't incel
ofc this is assuming the activity isn't with escorts and you are f*****g at least a 5/10 (aka not fat)
I see your point and the logic adds up but my gut instinct disagrees, sorry I don't know if I have a good counter-argument to this, maybe you're right.
I guess one other way of seeing it is, if there was a woman in a guys bed that he could f*** right now, would he? Well yes, but is he currently f*****g women? No. Then that's involuntarily celibate, for one reason or another he's unable to screw a woman, his dick wants to, but nothing else is working out that way.
I dunno, that's as best as I can put it right now (high and drunk and watching UFC).